Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
I wrote: > If you used an MUA that supported proper list-reply, you wouldn't > need to 'change your To: line', either. (I haven't checked headers > to see if your MUA is revealed, there. If you _do_ use mutt, switch > to doing list-reply.) Claws-Mail -- and, in Web-searching to see whether that MUA has a list-reply mode, I found a discussion of this entire issue a year aago on the Claws Users mailing list, in which one Steve Litt is significantly featured. http://claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2016-September/017455.html ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > And now for my netiquette nit, addressed to all list inhabitants... > > Don't email me and copy the list. Don't email the list and copy me. In fairness, some MUAs (such as mutt) make it easy to comply with this request. Many do not. mutt makes it easy because of its special functions for handling list-reply, in which it recognises that a mailing list is among the recipients and strips the others. People with old-fashioned MUAs implementing reply-all without list-handling heuristics cannot comply except through the respondent manually removing offlist CCs. Unfortunately, this situation persists because SMTP, unlike NNTP, never was designed for smoothly handling one-to-many mechanisms such as mailing lists. NNTP newsgroups (and newsreader software packages) have different heuristics for handling 'followups' (replies to the newsgroup) vs 'replies' (off-forums responses in SMTP mail). Pure SMTP has nothing quite like that. Because I use mutt and benefit from its list-reply functionality, I am able to give you what you desire in my replies to your mailing list posts. Many other people cannot except by fussy editing of headers during composition, which, let's be honest, will seldom happen. _However_, please note that my use of list-reply, even though it's what _you_ like, annoys other folks who _prefer_ a separate direct copy. Your best method of reliably getting you want, IMO, is to suppress duplicates. A standard method of doing so in procmail that's about as old as the dinosaurs: :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 8192 msgid.cache > And a single post to the list makes it MUCH easier for me to reply: I > don't have to change my To: line. If you used an MUA that supported proper list-reply, you wouldn't need to 'change your To: line', either. (I haven't checked headers to see if your MUA is revealed, there. If you _do_ use mutt, switch to doing list-reply.) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:39:47 +0100 Svante Signell wrote: > On Sat, 2017-12-09 at 19:24 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:06:05 + > > aitor_czr wrote: > > > > > > > > What about fixing your computer clock (again). This was sent > > > > Fri, 2017- 12-08 at 01:23 +0100 and now is Sat Dec 9 01:49:45 > > > > CET 2017., i.e. Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:49:45 +0100 You are a day > > > > behind:( > > > > > > You are right... I sent quite annoying messages in the past, most > > > of them during the 2021-2025 old years. > > > I'm aware, and i beg your pardon (again). > > Hi Steve, > > Nice of you to write this message. Just one nitpcick: > > This mail contains: > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:06:05 + > > aitor_czr wrote: > > and the quote should have been: > On Sat, 2017-12-09 at 11:06 +, aitor_czr wrote: > > Dear Svante, > > On 09/12/17 00:55, Svante Signell wrote: > ... > Is your MUA broken too?? > > Otherwise you should not have kept: > What about fixing your computer clock (again). This was sent Fri, > > > > 2017- 12-08 at 01:23 +0100 and now is Sat Dec 9 01:49:45 CET > > > > 2017., i.e. Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:49:45 +0100 You are a day > > > > behind:( > > Well, quoting is not easy, but your mailer could have helped you (if > it is sane) :D > Hi Svante, I chose not to leave in the attribution to your contribution, because all that contribution did was provide a backdrop for what Aitor said, which was the real story. I made the calculation that the slight shortening was more beneficial than the slight ambiguity was problematic. And now for my netiquette nit, addressed to all list inhabitants... Don't email me and copy the list. Don't email the list and copy me. I'm on the list. If you post to the list, it comes right to me. And a single post to the list makes it MUCH easier for me to reply: I don't have to change my To: line. SteveT Steve Litt December 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On Sat, 2017-12-09 at 19:24 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:06:05 + > aitor_czr wrote: > > > > > What about fixing your computer clock (again). This was sent Fri, > > > 2017- 12-08 at 01:23 +0100 and now is Sat Dec 9 01:49:45 CET > > > 2017., i.e. Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:49:45 +0100 You are a day > > > behind:( > > > > You are right... I sent quite annoying messages in the past, most > > of them during the 2021-2025 old years. > > I'm aware, and i beg your pardon (again). Hi Steve, Nice of you to write this message. Just one nitpcick: This mail contains: On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:06:05 + > aitor_czr wrote: and the quote should have been: On Sat, 2017-12-09 at 11:06 +, aitor_czr wrote: > Dear Svante, > On 09/12/17 00:55, Svante Signell wrote: ... Is your MUA broken too?? Otherwise you should not have kept: What about fixing your computer clock (again). This was sent Fri, > > > 2017- 12-08 at 01:23 +0100 and now is Sat Dec 9 01:49:45 CET > > > 2017., i.e. Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:49:45 +0100 You are a day > > > behind:( Well, quoting is not easy, but your mailer could have helped you (if it is sane) :D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:06:05 + aitor_czr wrote: > > What about fixing your computer clock (again). This was sent Fri, > > 2017- 12-08 at 01:23 +0100 and now is Sat Dec 9 01:49:45 CET > > 2017., i.e. Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:49:45 +0100 You are a day behind:( > > You are right... I sent quite annoying messages in the past, most of > them during the 2021-2025 old years. > I'm aware, and i beg your pardon (again). LOL, Aitor. In the old days I used to write you about this constantly, onlist and off. Your posts were a PITA because they sorted to the bottom of my DNG folder weeks afterwards. And yet the content of your messages were vital: I couldn't send you to /dev/null like most email obfuscators. So instead I gave you YOUR OWN FOLDER, called "badformat", right below the DNG folder. There, I can read all your messages, and they sort where they may. I have the best of both worlds: I read your posts, but they don't gum up my folders. SteveT Steve Litt December 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
Dear Svante, On 09/12/17 00:55, Svante Signell wrote: Hi again, What about fixing your computer clock (again). This was sent Fri, 2017- 12-08 at 01:23 +0100 and now is Sat Dec 9 01:49:45 CET 2017., i.e. Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:49:45 +0100 You are a day behind:( You are right... I sent quite annoying messages in the past, most of them during the 2021-2025 old years. I'm aware, and i beg your pardon (again). Earlier you were far ahead, from an old email with subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal Thu, 04 Mar 2021 01:11:19 +0100 2021 and i still didn't received any t-shirt? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On Fri, 2017-12-08 at 01:23 +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 12/09/2017 12:47 AM, Svante Signell wrote: > > Hi aitor, > > > > Looking at the above it was a small nitpick, i.e. a typo in my > > understanding, not a harsh comment. > > > > Have a nice day/night :) > > trololosh ..., anybody can explain me what meens trololosh? I can't > find it in google Hi again, What about fixing your computer clock (again). This was sent Fri, 2017- 12-08 at 01:23 +0100 and now is Sat Dec 9 01:49:45 CET 2017., i.e. Sat, 09 Dec 2017 01:49:45 +0100 You are a day behind :( Earlier you were far ahead, from an old email with subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal Thu, 04 Mar 2021 01:11:19 +0100 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On 12/09/2017 12:47 AM, Svante Signell wrote: Hi aitor, Looking at the above it was a small nitpick, i.e. a typo in my understanding, not a harsh comment. Have a nice day/night:) trololosh ..., anybody can explain me what meens trololosh? I can't find it in google ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On Fri, 2017-12-08 at 18:23 +, aitor_czr wrote: > > (just a small nitpick: My last name is Signell, with two l's in the > > end) > > No need to be harsh..., it was just a typo. Hi aitor, Looking at the above it was a small nitpick, i.e. a typo in my understanding, not a harsh comment. Have a nice day/night :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
Dear Svante, On 02/12/17 20:49, Svante Signelll wrote: On Sat, 2017-12-02 at 17:19 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: On 1st Dec 2017, Svante Signel wrote: "This is a last warning. If you are continuing to not quote previous mails, I'll never reply to a posting from you again. Learn some netiquette!" Sorry, I had no intention to be rude. Gmail makes quoting preceeding emails redundant, so this is a problem that I am not directly aware of, as I can always easily access previous emails in the same thread. Nevertheless, I beg your pardon. Hi Eduardo, Your apology is accepted, thanks. I do also have a gmail account and don't have any problem replying to mails, adding comments inlined. (email client evolution). Are you using a browser and the gmail web interface for mails? If so I think you can edit the mail account preferences to add your comments below and inlined to previous mails in a thread. (just a small nitpick: My last name is Signell, with two l's in the end) No need to be harsh..., it was just a typo. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
Quoting Edward Bartolo (edb...@gmail.com): > Sorry, I had no intention to be rude. Gmail makes quoting preceeding > emails redundant, so this is a problem that I am not directly aware > of, as I can always easily access previous emails in the same thread. This may help: http://smallbusiness.chron.com/reply-inline-gmail-40679.html https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/18660/set-up-gmail-to-place-the-quoted-text-on-top-of-my-reply-for-bottom-posting ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On Sat, 2017-12-02 at 17:19 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > On 1st Dec 2017, Svante Signel wrote: > "This is a last warning. If you are continuing to not quote previous > mails, I'll never reply to a posting from you again. Learn some > netiquette!" > > Sorry, I had no intention to be rude. Gmail makes quoting preceeding > emails redundant, so this is a problem that I am not directly aware > of, as I can always easily access previous emails in the same thread. > > Nevertheless, I beg your pardon. Hi Eduardo, Your apology is accepted, thanks. I do also have a gmail account and don't have any problem replying to mails, adding comments inlined. (email client evolution). Are you using a browser and the gmail web interface for mails? If so I think you can edit the mail account preferences to add your comments below and inlined to previous mails in a thread. (just a small nitpick: My last name is Signell, with two l's in the end) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On 1st Dec 2017, Svante Signel wrote: "This is a last warning. If you are continuing to not quote previous mails, I'll never reply to a posting from you again. Learn some netiquette!" Sorry, I had no intention to be rude. Gmail makes quoting preceeding emails redundant, so this is a problem that I am not directly aware of, as I can always easily access previous emails in the same thread. Nevertheless, I beg your pardon. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On Friday 1. December 2017 11.10.57 Svante Signell wrote: > Hi again, > > This is a last warning. If you are continuing to not quote previous mails, > I'll never reply to a posting from you again. Learn some netiquette! > > On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 10:46 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > These are the results. > > For what? With udev installed (which eudev version are you comparing with, > now asked twice) or eudev? > > > The first listing lists only two files while > > the second lists all files. > > > > edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/rules.d/ -name '*usb*' > > /lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules > > /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules > > Looking further to the *usb* files on my box shows: > (I had to go back to my reply to you to compare the lists, see above!!!) > > dpkg -S /lib/udev/rules.d/*usb* > usbmuxd: /lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules > usb-modeswitch-data: /lib/udev/rules.d/40-usb_modeswitch.rules > eudev: /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules > modemmanager: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-device-blacklist.rules > modemmanager: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-serial-adapters-greylist.rules > > They are probably not related to you problems. > > > edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/hwdb.d/ -name '*usb*' > > /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-classes.hwdb > > /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-vendor-model.hwdb > > Same result then, both are from eudev. > > > Plugging in a USB thumbdrive, a new device name sdb1 was listed > > automatically under /dev. Using this with mount as root I could browse > > the contents of the USB thumbdrive in a terminal using cd and ls. > > > > I also cannot mount camera memory cards. Maybe this issue is due to > > the fact that the hardware was not recognised by the kernel. > > Again, you have to compare with the files with systemd-udev installed. (Or > search in the *.deb files) > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Hei Svante. This reply to Edward seemed a bit harsh; it might be that he didn't cope with the technicality of your reply, or a whole range of other possible misunderstandings, one way or the other. If you don't get the reply you expected, it doesn't mean it's intended to be so.; intended bad behaviour or whatever. This should be a nice place to ask for help! Cheers, Olav:) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
Hi again, This is a last warning. If you are continuing to not quote previous mails, I'll never reply to a posting from you again. Learn some netiquette! On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 10:46 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > These are the results. For what? With udev installed (which eudev version are you comparing with, now asked twice) or eudev? > The first listing lists only two files while > the second lists all files. > > edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/rules.d/ -name '*usb*' > /lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules > /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules Looking further to the *usb* files on my box shows: (I had to go back to my reply to you to compare the lists, see above!!!) dpkg -S /lib/udev/rules.d/*usb* usbmuxd: /lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules usb-modeswitch-data: /lib/udev/rules.d/40-usb_modeswitch.rules eudev: /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules modemmanager: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-device-blacklist.rules modemmanager: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-serial-adapters-greylist.rules They are probably not related to you problems. > edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/hwdb.d/ -name '*usb*' > /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-classes.hwdb > /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-vendor-model.hwdb Same result then, both are from eudev. > Plugging in a USB thumbdrive, a new device name sdb1 was listed > automatically under /dev. Using this with mount as root I could browse > the contents of the USB thumbdrive in a terminal using cd and ls. > > I also cannot mount camera memory cards. Maybe this issue is due to > the fact that the hardware was not recognised by the kernel. Again, you have to compare with the files with systemd-udev installed. (Or search in the *.deb files) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
These are the results. The first listing lists only two files while the second lists all files. edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/rules.d/ -name '*usb*' /lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/hwdb.d/ -name '*usb*' /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-classes.hwdb /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-vendor-model.hwdb Plugging in a USB thumbdrive, a new device name sdb1 was listed automatically under /dev. Using this with mount as root I could browse the contents of the USB thumbdrive in a terminal using cd and ls. I also cannot mount camera memory cards. Maybe this issue is due to the fact that the hardware was not recognised by the kernel. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 09:31 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > This installation was done on ASCII. > > Before this installation Thunar used to auto-list USB thumbdrives. > Running pstree shown udevd is running instead of eudevd although I do > not know whether eudev and udev use exactly the same name for the > daemon. > > Any help will make a difference. Thanks goes to all who try to give me hints. Hi Edward, The eudev running daemon is udevd, not eudevd. So your observation is correct. Regarding USB devices take a look at these files find /lib/udev/rules.d/ -name '*usb*' /lib/udev/rules.d/40-usb_modeswitch.rules /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-serial-adapters-greylist.rules /lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-device-blacklist.rules find /lib/udev/hwdb.d/ -name '*usb*' /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-classes.hwdb /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-vendor-model.hwdb and compare with the ones in systemd-udev, version??? Maybe the devices are greylisted or blacklisted, see above. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
This installation was done on ASCII. Before this installation Thunar used to auto-list USB thumbdrives. Running pstree shown udevd is running instead of eudevd although I do not know whether eudev and udev use exactly the same name for the daemon. Any help will make a difference. Thanks goes to all who try to give me hints. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
