Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please [SOLVED] ish
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 1:00 PM, al3xu5 wrote: > Mon, 08 Mar 2021 22:01:53 + - g4sra g4...@protonmail.com: > > > It turns out 80 of the issue was a syntax error in the ALSA > > configuration. For an unknown reason this mostly only caused an issue > > for web browsers. In fact I only detected it when running some third > > party alsa software that displayed a warning. > > Hi > > Being interested about audio (ALSA), may I ask you which were the third > party alsa software that displayed a warning? > > Thanks > al3xu5 I copied the 'c' code from here... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/40346132/how-to-properly-set-up-alsa-device#40363505 None of the alsa-utils gave any hint that there was a configuration issue, whereas the above program barfed. publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please [SOLVED] ish
Mon, 08 Mar 2021 22:01:53 + - g4sra : > It turns out 80 of the issue was a syntax error in the ALSA > configuration. For an unknown reason this mostly only caused an issue > for web browsers. In fact I only detected it when running some third > party alsa software that displayed a warning. Hi Being interested about audio (ALSA), may I ask you which were the third party alsa software that displayed a warning? Thanks al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpaBxepbyTUj.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please [SOLVED] ish
It turns out 80 of the issue was a syntax error in the ALSA configuration. For an unknown reason this mostly only caused an issue for web browsers. In fact I only detected it when running some third party alsa software that displayed a warning. ? mostly only ? it must be bedtime :) publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
>‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >On Friday, March 5, 2021 4:33 PM, wrote: > >> On 2021-03-05 04:23, g4sra via Dng wrote: >> > >> > Can anyone recommend a browser (other than Chrome) that they know >> > works with Jitsi-meet ? >> > >> I use vivaldi for jitsi (but nothing else). It just works. >> > >> golinux >> > > >Thanks golinux, > >Gave vivaldi a go, exactly the same results. >I am now certain the non-working microphone issue is due to a >peculiarity with my workstation. Just as a diagnostic test give Chromium a try. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
Quoting g4sra via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > My biggest beef with Microsoft Teams, Zoom, and now Jitsi-meetthey > all omitted an essential service. What I want is (looking at you Rick > :P) a test sever which simply echo's back the incoming video\audio to > the client. As mentioned, the straightforward way to do this is using two browser tabs, each logged into the same video session, and verifying that you can see and hear yourself. However, the reason I'm posting is to provide tips about a testing site that vets your browser's ability to fully perform the WebRTC videoconferencing protocol suite: https://test.webrtc.org/ My tip: Don't be alarmed at yellow (warning) advisories like a failure of the "Reflexive connectivity" network test. I always get that result, at home, with detailed reporting as follows: [ INFO ] Gathered candidate of Type: srflx Protocol: udp Address: 96.95.217.102 [ WARN ] Could not connect using reflexive candidates, likely due to the network environment/configuration. Point is, above and similar appear to be harmless. (Web-search the detailed warning, if concerned.) However, for a functional test, there's nothing better than the two-tabs method. A more-general tip: _Please_ consider using earbuds or headphones for all Internet videoconferencing. I can't tell you how much time gets wasted on Jitsi Meet, Zoom, etc. sessions trying to figure out which participant is locally re-injecting audio echoed from his/her PC speakers to his/her nearby microphone. It's a huge waste of time. And, as one of the participants using earbuds, I can at least say 'Not it', every time that happens. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > Technically, it's not Chrome. I use Chromium for jitsi, zoom, Discord, > and Gathertown. I'm more than a little fond of ungoogled-chromium, for such purposes. https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium https://ungoogled-software.github.io/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/ https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium-debian -- Cheers, And we all know the saying, which is true as well as witty, Rick Moen that a camel is a horse that was designed by a committee. r...@linuxmafia.com-- Allan Sherman, "Peter and the Commissar" McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 4:33 PM, wrote: > On 2021-03-05 04:23, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a browser (other than Chrome) that they know > > works with Jitsi-meet ? > > I use vivaldi for jitsi (but nothing else). It just works. > > golinux > Thanks golinux, Gave vivaldi a go, exactly the same results. I am now certain the non-working microphone issue is due to a peculiarity with my workstation. publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
On Fri, Mar 05, 2021 at 10:23:24AM +, g4sra via Dng wrote: > Having been forced to use both Microsoft Teams and Zoom (thanks Covid) I am > trying to get Jitsi-meet working. > > > Stage 1. Jitsi Client on Devuan (web browser) > > Issue: I cannot get incoming sound to work with Jitsi. > > I use TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) which uses 'Arts' sound system > sitting directly on top of 'Alsa'. > I have the 'apulse' library installed to satisfy 'Pulseaudio' dependant > packages. > I normally use Firefox, and am aware that there are 'issues' reported (wish > 'they' had elaborated) with Jitsi and Firefox. > > > My biggest beef with Microsoft Teams, Zoom, and now Jitsi-meetthey all > omitted an essential service. > What I want is (looking at you Rick :P) a test sever which simply echo's back > the incoming video\audio to the client. > Trying to fault-find, set video quality, and audio levels using a real live > meet is both awkward and annoying to everyone concerned > > > Can anyone recommend a browser (other than Chrome) that they know works with > Jitsi-meet ? > Any other suggestions to fix the audio ? > Technically, it's not Chrome. I use Chromium for jitsi, zoom, Discord, and Gathertown. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
Quoting goli...@devuan.org (goli...@devuan.org): > I use vivaldi for jitsi (but nothing else). It just works. The proprietary Vivaldi browser is a good choice (other than being proprietary) _because_ it is based on Chromium's Blink rendering engine, hence has good WebRTC support and a decent Javascript engine. Additionally, you get to use a software product coded by Norwegians, which is always a plus. (Vivaldi Technologies, ASA is an Oslo company, and these are ex-Opera Software guys.) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > >On 05/03 10:23, g4sra via Dng wrote: > >> > >> Can anyone recommend a browser (other than Chrome) that they know > >> works with Jitsi-meet ? Any other suggestions to fix the audio ? > > > >If you use headphones you can open two tabs to the same meeting and > >talk to yourself. > > My psychiatrist told me to stop doing that. > > At least, in public. Rumour has it that it's harmless to talk to yourself, as long as you don't _listen_. -- Cheers, "Like looking both ways before crossing the street, and Rick Moenthen getting hit by a submarine." -- Clarke Smith, age 9, r...@linuxmafia.com winner of Washington Post's contest for best description McQ! (4x80) of the year 2020 in a single word or phrase. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
On Friday 05 March 2021 at 17:46:21, g4sra via Dng wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Friday, March 5, 2021 10:32 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > > > > In MS Teams, go to your profile (something up in the top right), then > > Settings and Devices, and there's a button labelled "Make a test call". > > It plays an announcement, then a ping sound, listens to you speak (or > > whatever), and then plays it back to you. > > Used that trying to get teams to work, proved pointless as it does not run > full duplex to\from the cloud. Why does duplex matter? The test proves whether your speakers work (if you can hear the announcement) and it proves whether your microphone works (if you hear back what you said). The only purpose I can think of for duplex is checking latency, and that's going to vary for different people involved in a conversation / meeting anyway. Antony. -- "If I've told you once, I've told you a million times - stop exaggerating!" Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
On Friday 05 March 2021 at 17:38:40, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2021-03-05 04:32, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Friday 05 March 2021 at 11:23:24, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > > > In MS Teams, go to your profile (something up in the top right), then > > Settings and Devices, and there's a button labelled "Make a test call". > > It plays an announcement, then a ping sound, listens to you speak (or > > whatever), and then plays it back to you. > > Hmmm, just thinking . . . Wouldn't that be a great way for MS to capture > a voice recognition database and link it to a specific IP? Would that > even be possible? Depends what you mean by "recognition". They could certainly capture the audio samples, but someone would need to transcribe them in order to build a recognition database, otherwise it's just noise without meaning. Antony. -- All matter in the Universe can be placed into one of two categories: 1. Things which need to be fixed. 2. Things which need to be fixed once you've had a few minutes to play with them. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 10:32 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Friday 05 March 2021 at 11:23:24, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > > My biggest beef with Microsoft Teams, Zoom, and now Jitsi-meetthey all > > omitted an essential service. What I want is (looking at you Rick :P) a > > test sever which simply echo's back the incoming video\audio to the > > client. > > In MS Teams, go to your profile (something up in the top right), then Settings > and Devices, and there's a button labelled "Make a test call". It plays an > announcement, then a ping sound, listens to you speak (or whatever), and then > plays it back to you. > > I know that doesn't help with your Jitsi query, but I just wanted to point out > that at least one of the three platforms you mentioned does have the "self > test" feature. > Used that trying to get teams to work, proved pointless as it does not run full duplex to\from the cloud. Also tried opening two sessions, but M$ knows and hijaked the already open session. publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
Re: Firefox To answer myself, it seems Firefox made a change somewhere around v75 to the audio input bitrate refusing to work with anything that does not match. Quickly threw up a Jitsi server. Can make Jitsi work under Chrome browser on all available systems but my own workstation! Ho humI have learnt something... Chrome has a dialog to let you select the IO devices, interestingly on my workstation none of my microphone devices appear in the drop down list. publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
On 2021-03-05 04:32, Antony Stone wrote: On Friday 05 March 2021 at 11:23:24, g4sra via Dng wrote: In MS Teams, go to your profile (something up in the top right), then Settings and Devices, and there's a button labelled "Make a test call". It plays an announcement, then a ping sound, listens to you speak (or whatever), and then plays it back to you. I know that doesn't help with your Jitsi query, but I just wanted to point out that at least one of the three platforms you mentioned does have the "self test" feature. Hmmm, just thinking . . . Wouldn't that be a great way for MS to capture a voice recognition database and link it to a specific IP? Would that even be possible? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
On 2021-03-05 04:23, g4sra via Dng wrote: Can anyone recommend a browser (other than Chrome) that they know works with Jitsi-meet ? I use vivaldi for jitsi (but nothing else). It just works. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
>On 05/03 10:23, g4sra via Dng wrote: >> ... >> >> Can anyone recommend a browser (other than Chrome) that they know >> works with Jitsi-meet ? Any other suggestions to fix the audio ? > >If you use headphones you can open two tabs to the same meeting and >talk to yourself. I never thought of that, but when I was young and a Jitsi newbie, before every GoLUG meeting, I used to have my wife Jitsi in one room while I Jitsi'ed in my office. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
>On 05/03 10:23, g4sra via Dng wrote: >> ... >> >> Can anyone recommend a browser (other than Chrome) that they know >> works with Jitsi-meet ? Any other suggestions to fix the audio ? > >If you use headphones you can open two tabs to the same meeting and >talk to yourself. My psychiatrist told me to stop doing that. At least, in public. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 10:29 AM, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > On 05/03 10:23, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > > ... > > Can anyone recommend a browser (other than Chrome) that they know works > > with Jitsi-meet ? > > Any other suggestions to fix the audio ? > > If you use headphones you can open two tabs to the same meeting and > talk to yourself. > > Ralph. > Thanks Ralph, I will give that a go. Sometimes it never occurs to me to try the simple things... publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
On Friday 05 March 2021 at 11:23:24, g4sra via Dng wrote: > My biggest beef with Microsoft Teams, Zoom, and now Jitsi-meetthey all > omitted an essential service. What I want is (looking at you Rick :P) a > test sever which simply echo's back the incoming video\audio to the > client. In MS Teams, go to your profile (something up in the top right), then Settings and Devices, and there's a button labelled "Make a test call". It plays an announcement, then a ping sound, listens to you speak (or whatever), and then plays it back to you. I know that doesn't help with your Jitsi query, but I just wanted to point out that at least one of the three platforms you mentioned does have the "self test" feature. Antony. -- Was ist braun, liegt ins Gras, und raucht? Ein Kaminchen... Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please
On 05/03 10:23, g4sra via Dng wrote: > ... > > Can anyone recommend a browser (other than Chrome) that they know works with > Jitsi-meet ? > Any other suggestions to fix the audio ? If you use headphones you can open two tabs to the same meeting and talk to yourself. Ralph. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Jitsi advice please
Having been forced to use both Microsoft Teams and Zoom (thanks Covid) I am trying to get Jitsi-meet working. Stage 1. Jitsi Client on Devuan (web browser) Issue: I cannot get incoming sound to work with Jitsi. I use TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) which uses 'Arts' sound system sitting directly on top of 'Alsa'. I have the 'apulse' library installed to satisfy 'Pulseaudio' dependant packages. I normally use Firefox, and am aware that there are 'issues' reported (wish 'they' had elaborated) with Jitsi and Firefox. My biggest beef with Microsoft Teams, Zoom, and now Jitsi-meetthey all omitted an essential service. What I want is (looking at you Rick :P) a test sever which simply echo's back the incoming video\audio to the client. Trying to fault-find, set video quality, and audio levels using a real live meet is both awkward and annoying to everyone concerned Can anyone recommend a browser (other than Chrome) that they know works with Jitsi-meet ? Any other suggestions to fix the audio ? publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
