Re: [DNG] Linux Without systemd: Why You Should Use Devuan, the Debian Fork
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Can I ask all of you something? How do people, who call themselves > developers, joyfully embrace a false choice like systemd vs sysvinit? The same way that the more-vocal djbware fans, and Prof. Bernstein himself, compared qmail _only_ with sendmail, not with Postfix, Exim4, or Courier-MTA, and compared djbdns _only_ with BIND9, not with Unbound/NSD, MaraDNS/Deadwood, or PowerDNS. Comparing what you like only with the cruftiest and oldest alternative is among the oldest, lamest, and most common rhetorical tricks around. Overcoming this chicanery was part of the inspiration for many of my more-popular Web pages, such as: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Network_Other/dns-servers.html http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Mail/mtas.html I'm sure you've been disappointed by this sort of thing before, Steve. ;-> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux Without systemd: Why You Should Use Devuan, the Debian Fork
Am Donnerstag, 26. Juli 2018 schrieb Steve Litt: > [...] > Can I ask all of you something? How do people, who call themselves > developers, joyfully embrace a false choice like systemd vs sysvinit? > Do these same "developers" neglect to put in error handling for a bad > value, because the program earlier supposedly set the variable to one > of two correct values? Well, windows devs have arrived at linux. what do you expect? > > I found this video particularly obnoxious. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence > http://www.troubleshooters.com/key > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux Without systemd: Why You Should Use Devuan, the Debian Fork
On Thursday 26 July 2018 at 17:16:56, Эльбрус Кондратьев wrote: > It's called 'herd behavior'. Someone told them that systemd constituted > 'the way to go'. Nevermind if that way results irrational. Oh well, at least it wasn't Hurd behaviour, otherwise we wouldn't have an Operating System at all... Antony. > On Thu, 2018-07-26 at 10:49 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:13:52 -0400 > > > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I found this article online. > > > > > > https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/debian-without-systemd-devuan/ > > > > I could have swapped the phrase "s6 plus s6-rc" for "systemd" and that > > entire video would have been true except the part that says if you're > > using Enterprise Linux, you're stuck with systemd. > > > > Can I ask all of you something? How do people, who call themselves > > developers, joyfully embrace a false choice like systemd vs sysvinit? > > Do these same "developers" neglect to put in error handling for a bad > > value, because the program earlier supposedly set the variable to one > > of two correct values? > > > > I found this video particularly obnoxious. > > > > SteveT -- I own three Windows books, published by O'Reilly. They are "Windows Annoyances", "Office 97 Annoyances" and "Windows 98 Annoyances". That pretty much sums it up for me. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux Without systemd: Why You Should Use Devuan, the Debian Fork
It's called 'herd behavior'. Someone told them that systemd constituted 'the way to go'. Nevermind if that way results irrational. Regards On Thu, 2018-07-26 at 10:49 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:13:52 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I found this article online. > > > > https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/debian-without-systemd-devuan/ > > I could have swapped the phrase "s6 plus s6-rc" for "systemd" and that > entire video would have been true except the part that says if you're > using Enterprise Linux, you're stuck with systemd. > > Can I ask all of you something? How do people, who call themselves > developers, joyfully embrace a false choice like systemd vs sysvinit? > Do these same "developers" neglect to put in error handling for a bad > value, because the program earlier supposedly set the variable to one > of two correct values? > > I found this video particularly obnoxious. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence > http://www.troubleshooters.com/key > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Elbrus Kondratiev ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux Without systemd: Why You Should Use Devuan, the Debian Fork
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:13:52 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > I found this article online. > > https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/debian-without-systemd-devuan/ I could have swapped the phrase "s6 plus s6-rc" for "systemd" and that entire video would have been true except the part that says if you're using Enterprise Linux, you're stuck with systemd. Can I ask all of you something? How do people, who call themselves developers, joyfully embrace a false choice like systemd vs sysvinit? Do these same "developers" neglect to put in error handling for a bad value, because the program earlier supposedly set the variable to one of two correct values? I found this video particularly obnoxious. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Linux Without systemd: Why You Should Use Devuan, the Debian Fork
I found this article online. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/debian-without-systemd-devuan/ It doesn't really get into the problems with systemd, unfortunately. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
