[DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
I think that the pretty useless feature which helped systemd into Debian in the first place was discussed some time ago. As you might know multi seat is supposed to make possible for multiple users to utilize a single desktop or laptop system in full blown GUI mode via special USB hubs, the main selling point of this curiosity was as a way to run schools in 3rd world countries. However these extension hubs actually cost more than a Raspberry Pi, and the Pi has the extra selling point that the student can take it home and use it there. I do not see any real need for silly things like multi seat and with every nanometer less and every new cell phone the price and power consumption per Ghz falls. There is also the cloud and BIOD to consider, as well as laptops and tablets. In my opinion 99+% of users really won't care about this curiosity, which is a cool concept with less and less actual relevance or practical purpose behind it with every passing day. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
There is ConsoleKit2... From: Vlad<mailto:2389...@gmail.com> Sent: 7/22/2015 5:49 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org> Subject: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity? I think that the pretty useless feature which helped systemd into Debian in the first place was discussed some time ago. As you might know multi seat is supposed to make possible for multiple users to utilize a single desktop or laptop system in full blown GUI mode via special USB hubs, the main selling point of this curiosity was as a way to run schools in 3rd world countries. However these extension hubs actually cost more than a Raspberry Pi, and the Pi has the extra selling point that the student can take it home and use it there. I do not see any real need for silly things like multi seat and with every nanometer less and every new cell phone the price and power consumption per Ghz falls. There is also the cloud and BIOD to consider, as well as laptops and tablets. In my opinion 99+% of users really won't care about this curiosity, which is a cool concept with less and less actual relevance or practical purpose behind it with every passing day. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote:
> I think that the pretty useless feature which helped systemd into Debian in
> the first place was discussed some time ago.
> As you might know multi seat is supposed to make possible for multiple users
> to utilize a single desktop or laptop system in full blown GUI mode via
> special USB hubs, the main selling point of this curiosity was as a way to
> run schools in 3rd world countries.
> However these extension hubs actually cost more than a Raspberry Pi, and the
> Pi has the extra selling point that the student can take it home and use it
> there.
> I do not see any real need for silly things like multi seat and with every
> nanometer less and every new cell phone the price and power consumption per
> Ghz falls.
> In my opinion 99+% of users really won't care about this curiosity, which is
> a cool concept with less and less actual relevance or practical purpose
> behind it with every passing day.
Somehow it seems to me like someone trying to reinvent the dumb terminal,
but with less distance possible.
I could imagine one situation where it makes sense:
$site is running commercial software for x86{,_64}, licensed on a per-
processor basis with multiple users permitted; said commercial software
requires a decent processor but not much GPU.
Other than that, I can't picture a use.
All that said, I *can* picture a way to implement it using X(fbdev?) and
perhaps mdev (which I thought about not long ago...):
- *disable* input device hotplug in X11
- keyboards get renamed /dev/input/kbd$N, like how mice are named
- for new keyboards, mice, and framebuffer/drm nodes, run a helper
script that will spawn an X11 login if the appropriate devices exist
for the current $N.
You could even use hard links, bind mounts, and unshare to make
restricted containers for different users.
(I'm thinking of putting hard links to the device in /dev/seat$N/, but
with normal naming conventions under that. Then each seat gets a new
mount namespace and a private bind-mount over /dev.)
In theory, that should be a pretty small amount of work.
But I don't have any hardware suitable for testing, and don't feel that
it really justifies getting said hardware.
Thanks,
Isaac Dunham
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Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote: However these extension hubs actually cost more than a Raspberry Pi, and the Pi has the extra selling point that the student can take it home and use it there. I do not see any real need for silly things like multi seat and with every nanometer less and every new cell phone the price and power consumption per Ghz falls. In my opinion 99+% of users really won't care about this curiosity, which is a cool concept with less and less actual relevance or practical purpose behind it with every passing day. Just my 2 cents What I am about to say is not a judgement on you, but just because you might not find a feature useful does not mean that someone else doesn't. Perhaps the majority of the Linux programmer culture does not, but that does not mean that it is never used. Multi-seat logins are very useful in situations where users do not understand how to run X11 applications with different user permissions. It is an easy mechanism that is familiar to users from other systems coming over to Linux. You don't have to have it installed on your copy, but having an option is not a bad thing. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:39:23PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > >On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote: > Multi-seat logins are very useful in situations where users do not > understand how to run X11 applications with different user > permissions. I guess so. > It is an easy mechanism that is familiar to users from > other systems coming over to Linux. Fine... > You don't have to have it installed on your copy, Intrinsically and absolutely important. I won't have'em in my copy! And if I get to teach newbies Grsec for Devuan, if Devuan gets fully-foss (in the terms of true freedom, such as SELinux, the spy-tool, certainly is not) or close enough to, as I hope (see the MirDevuan "WTF" thread too currently being contributed to), I will always recommend against multiseat too. > but having an option is not a bad thing. In controlled (I mean user controlled) cases, fine! Because, prove me wrong. Often the surveillors most used tools, since otherwise they wouldn't be able to follow their targets, is exactly multiseats. They see, sitting in their bunkers, which public at large has mostly never any notion about, and thanks to stuff like dbus, multiseat, pulseaudio (pulsoaudio was designed by those tools of the one-Ring-cravers for eavesdropping!), and surely systemd goes to perfection in bulk collection and worse!... They see, sitting in their bunkers, their target's every move, every move! On their screen, replicated what the torget does. In real time! And most of them wouldn't be able to follow their targets without such aides, because they're not all experts, really. A little harder following their tagets without any poetterware. A disclaimer: fine, the spies following targets, fine! When we really talk terrorists and criminals, you should follow those, I approve of that! But for the love of God, not wholesale surveillance on the general population, please! Regards! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
On 7/23/2015 12:01 AM, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: Because, prove me wrong. Miro, I truly wish you well, but feel no need to prove anything to you. :-) Often the surveillors most used tools, since otherwise they wouldn't be able to follow their targets, is exactly multiseats. They see, sitting in their bunkers, which public at large has mostly never any notion about, and thanks to stuff like dbus, multiseat, pulseaudio (pulsoaudio was designed by those tools of the one-Ring-cravers for eavesdropping!), and surely systemd goes to perfection in bulk collection and worse!... They see, sitting in their bunkers, their target's every move, every move! On their screen, replicated what the torget does. In real time! And most of them wouldn't be able to follow their targets without such aides, because they're not all experts, really. A little harder following their tagets without any poetterware. A disclaimer: fine, the spies following targets, fine! When we really talk terrorists and criminals, you should follow those, I approve of that! But for the love of God, not wholesale surveillance on the general population, please! Regards! The reason we prefer FOSS to proprietary code is that the source code is open. You should never infer such things about other people and their contributions to FOSS without proof, which you can easily get. If you have proof of these things, please post the relevant portions of the source code so that I might see these things, and offer you my deepest thanks. Until you have real proof, baseless rumor and innuendo damage people's reputations for no reason. It is wrong, and it is in very poor taste. Without proof, no one will take you seriously, and rightly so. Be well, Miro. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
Is it because you send from (pasting from your header): Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 or is it for some other reason (or for both or/and other reasons yet), who can tell? But... > > > On 7/23/2015 12:01 AM, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > >Because, prove me wrong. > Miro, I truly wish you well, but feel no need to prove anything to you. :-) > If you are developing for the public who want to use Free Open Source Software, you may need to be at least kind, not in such attempted condiscending protecting fashion like the line above would want to sound, but sincerely kind, at least to some extent, and also truthful in recognizing actual arguments put to you regarding the software they you want to develop, or develop with, and which they want to use. > >Often the surveillors most used tools, since otherwise they wouldn't be > >able to follow their targets, is exactly multiseats. They see, sitting in > >their bunkers, which public at large has mostly never any notion about, > >and thanks to stuff like dbus, multiseat, pulseaudio (pulsoaudio was > >designed by those tools of the one-Ring-cravers for eavesdropping!), and > >surely systemd goes to perfection in bulk collection and worse!... > > [Remember the "But... " above. My Mutt showing me this, from the Thunderbird GUI that T.J. Duchene uses, mangled, and I don't see it displayed clearly on: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150723.073512.9673917a.en.html either... > >They see, sitting in their bunkers, their target's every move, every move! > >On their screen, replicated what the torget does. In real time! And most > >of them wouldn't be able to follow their targets without such aides, > >because they're not all experts, really. A little harder following their > >tagets without any poetterware. A disclaimer: fine, the spies following > >targets, fine! When we really talk terrorists and criminals, you should > >follow those, I approve of that! But for the love of God, not wholesale > >surveillance on the general population, please! Regards! > > > The reason we prefer FOSS to proprietary code is that the source code is > open. You should never infer such things about other people and their > contributions to FOSS without proof, which you can easily get. What proof? That there exists mass surveillance by most all big subjects that can afford it? You need proofs for that? That the RPC in dbus are made so that the programs in unixdom could work with proprietory programs? I'm really no expert on this one, but I did remember it well when a programmer complained about it. And I simply believed. Just like I believe Jude C. Nelson when he said no need of dbus for vdev (which I must repeat, is great to know!). > If you have proof of these things, please post the relevant portions > of the source code so that I might see these things, and offer you my > deepest thanks. Again, what proofs? That there is bulk data collection? And if there is bulk data collection, the new term, previous term: mass surveillance... If is it there, and I don't think you can denied that there is, then: Do you really really think they wouldn't want to get into all of unixdom like they have in their pocket everything, I mean everything (and I'm only citing Edward Snowden, the American hero), all of appledom and all of M$ windillidillidom. Do you really really think they wouldn't get their f**ing tools (only citing Christopher Barry, find the link on, wait, I'll copy it from there: ttp://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459 (copied from: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150722.143942.1c1b286a.en.html )) Do you really really think they wouldn't get their tools (Poettering, Sievers and cameraderie), to work, and work hard to open the unixdom to them like the appledom and windillidillidom? (Sorry I really hate windoze). What do you think they pay them such money for? To make the world freeer and nicer? Or to serve their one-ring-to-rule-them-all purposes? > Until you have real proof, baseless rumor and innuendo damage people's > reputations for no reason. It is wrong, and it is in very poor taste. > Without proof, no one will take you seriously, and rightly so. > Poor taste is Windoze, and overwhelmed in such poor taste, you have difficulty understanding my arguments. Maybe because you don't want to admit the truth. Poor taste is Windoze, if we know history, and many in Devuan do, and always will, I hope. How much has that Billy the bandit (morally so), turned (of recent) eugenic philantropist, made this world a more stupid and less free place... (I mean Bill Gates if someone is in doubt). Is it that you have no access to a *nix OS, or is it why? Do you like Windoze? How can someone like Windoze and develop in Linux, I sincerely don't understand that. > Be well, Miro. > I'm well. I'm afraid you are not, as there is no goodness in what you use, and something could be very disharmonious in that for you and for Devuan.
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:54:06AM +0200, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > Is it because you send from (pasting from your header): > > Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 > Thunderbird/38.1.0 > > or is it for some other reason (or for both or/and other reasons yet), > who can tell? > > But... > > > > > > On 7/23/2015 12:01 AM, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > > >Because, prove me wrong. > > Miro, I truly wish you well, but feel no need to prove anything to you. :-) > > > If you are developing for the public who want to use Free Open Source > Software, you may need to be at least kind, not in such attempted > condiscending protecting fashion like the line above would want to > sound, but sincerely kind, at least to some extent, and also truthful in > recognizing actual arguments put to you regarding the software they you > want to develop, or develop with, and which they want to use. Guys, I have serious problems understanding what is the point of this thread, really. And lenghty emails with many interleaving, fragmented discussions and cross-quoting from several different sources are far from helpful. I am wondering whether we shall eventually decide to adopt a proper netiquette for this ML... HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
> Guys, I have serious problems understanding what is the point of this thread, > really. And lenghty emails with many interleaving, fragmented discussions > and cross-quoting from several different sources are far from helpful. Hi KatolaZ! I assure you it was never my intention to offend anyone, including Miro. If I have done so, then I apologize not only to you and Miro but to everyone for my part. I admit I was slightly annoyed but meant only to very politely suggest that Miro tone it down a little. My best wishes to him (or her) are entirely sincere. Honestly, I did not expect problems. I feel like I have walked into a bear trap. =P This might sound silly and naïve to you, but I genuinely do not comprehend animosity at times. > I am wondering whether we shall eventually decide to adopt a proper > netiquette for this ML... I quite agree. I will leave this discussion abandoned and not feed it. I wish you boys a wonderful evening. T.J. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 05:05:52AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > Guys, I have serious problems understanding what is the point of this > > thread, > > really. And lenghty emails with many interleaving, fragmented discussions > > and cross-quoting from several different sources are far from helpful. > > Hi KatolaZ! > > I assure you it was never my intention to offend anyone, including Miro. If > I have done so, then I apologize not only to you and Miro but to everyone for > my part. I admit I was slightly annoyed but meant only to very politely > suggest that Miro tone it down a little. My best wishes to him (or her) are > entirely sincere. Honestly, I did not expect problems. I feel like I have > walked into a bear trap. =P This might sound silly and naïve to you, but I > genuinely do not comprehend animosity at times. Hi, my point was that by reading the thread, made by lengthy and fragmented emails charcaterised by cross-quoting, top-quoting, and bad-quoting, it was actually *impossible* for me to understand what the thread was really about, and far harder to get if anybody had made any good suggestion or had the intention to offend or attack anybody else :D If you have offended me or anybody else, I haven't had the opportunity to notice it by reading those emails. And I have not been able to discern if there were any good technical points made, or any good idea or proposal either. > > > I am wondering whether we shall eventually decide to adopt a proper > > netiquette for this ML... > > I quite agree. I will leave this discussion abandoned and not feed it. > > I wish you boys a wonderful evening. > It was not my intention to urge for the thread to be terminated, rather to ask the participants to be considerate in quoting and replying. Otherwise the most likely result you obtain is just being ignored and some (maybe good) points going unnoticed, and that would be a shame. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
Good morning, On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:39:23PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: >[snip] >Multi-seat logins are very useful in situations where users do not understand >how to run X11 applications with different user permissions. It is an easy >mechanism that is familiar to users from other systems coming over to Linux. >You don't have to have it installed on your copy, but having an option is not >a bad thing. > May you expand with an example? I'm truly curious about this argument. Prior this day, I just thought it was a nonsense excuse to create an entire bizantine framework (CK, PolK) to impede me to shut off my machine from inside X. I'm not trolling. If you deem it useful, it probably is, so I wish to learn more about multi-seat logins. I thank you and anybody who will spend some time educating me about this argument. -- Teodoro Santoni Something is wrong. I don't wanna compile 20 KB of Go code to list files. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote: > I think that the pretty useless feature which helped systemd into Debian in > the > first place was discussed some time ago. Better footprint, less power consumption. I rutinelly do two and three seat ws without any expensive usb hub: a us$5 usb hub can manage two pairs of keyboard and mouse, and most mb these days have 6 usb ports. lightdm and xfce4 play nice in these config. cheers, -- Fernando M. Maresca - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cel: 221 15 545 8196 Tel: 221 450 5378 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
Yeah, but that is why we have VNC for.
As I said, multiseat is pretty much useless.
Hell, the proprietary software can be installed on a server and run from
anywhere.
On Jul 23, 2015 6:32 AM, "Isaac Dunham" wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote:
> > I think that the pretty useless feature which helped systemd into Debian
> in the first place was discussed some time ago.
> > As you might know multi seat is supposed to make possible for multiple
> users to utilize a single desktop or laptop system in full blown GUI mode
> via special USB hubs, the main selling point of this curiosity was as a
> way to run schools in 3rd world countries.
> > However these extension hubs actually cost more than a Raspberry Pi, and
> the Pi has the extra selling point that the student can take it home and
> use it there.
> > I do not see any real need for silly things like multi seat and with
> every nanometer less and every new cell phone the price and power
> consumption per Ghz falls.
> > In my opinion 99+% of users really won't care about this curiosity,
> which is a cool concept with less and less actual relevance or practical
> purpose behind it with every passing day.
>
> Somehow it seems to me like someone trying to reinvent the dumb terminal,
> but with less distance possible.
> I could imagine one situation where it makes sense:
> $site is running commercial software for x86{,_64}, licensed on a per-
> processor basis with multiple users permitted; said commercial software
> requires a decent processor but not much GPU.
>
> Other than that, I can't picture a use.
>
> All that said, I *can* picture a way to implement it using X(fbdev?) and
> perhaps mdev (which I thought about not long ago...):
> - *disable* input device hotplug in X11
> - keyboards get renamed /dev/input/kbd$N, like how mice are named
> - for new keyboards, mice, and framebuffer/drm nodes, run a helper
> script that will spawn an X11 login if the appropriate devices exist
> for the current $N.
> You could even use hard links, bind mounts, and unshare to make
> restricted containers for different users.
> (I'm thinking of putting hard links to the device in /dev/seat$N/, but
> with normal naming conventions under that. Then each seat gets a new
> mount namespace and a private bind-mount over /dev.)
>
> In theory, that should be a pretty small amount of work.
> But I don't have any hardware suitable for testing, and don't feel that
> it really justifies getting said hardware.
>
> Thanks,
> Isaac Dunham
>
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Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
On 7/23/2015 5:37 AM, Teodoro Santoni wrote: Good morning, On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:39:23PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: [snip] Multi-seat logins are very useful in situations where users do not understand how to run X11 applications with different user permissions. It is an easy mechanism that is familiar to users from other systems coming over to Linux. You don't have to have it installed on your copy, but having an option is not a bad thing. May you expand with an example? I'm truly curious about this argument. Prior this day, I just thought it was a nonsense excuse to create an entire bizantine framework (CK, PolK) to impede me to shut off my machine from inside X. I'm not trolling. If you deem it useful, it probably is, so I wish to learn more about multi-seat logins. I thank you and anybody who will spend some time educating me about this argument. Hi Theodoro! =) It's not an "argument" really, just a difference of opinion. (To me, an "argument" is something quite different.) UNIX was designed from the beginning to be a multi-user system. That was entire reason in creating it, actually. The concept of "multi-seat" as a feature is being able to login and allow multiple users to use the same hardware independently. A lot of people would argue that Linux already does this, and you don't need a framework for it. I know this and they know it. It's true.The Linux multi-seat software provides a framework for the easy setup of hotplug devices, X11 logins, permissions, and other things that need to be done to easily provide access to more than one user. Yes, you can do all the setup and management manually. Why should you? The whole point of software is to spend more time being actually productive, not reinventing the wheel because you have to do every step manually. What I personally do not understand (and what seems to get me into trouble) is the animosity toward multi-seat, pulseaudio, or anything else for that matter. I'm not trying to bring old disagreements back into the mix, so please let's not go there, ladies and gentlemen. I just want to expound on something that I think is very important when discussing multi-seat or anything else in the future. There are other people besides you and me, and who do not have the skill to do these things manually. They do not want to be told "RTFM." They just want to plug the silly thing in and get their work done. I believe that is reasonable and not asking for too much. If you don't want to use a package, you don't have to. Multi-seat, Pulseaudio, and even Systemd are nothing more than tools. If it does not fit the job you are doing, don't use it. No one wastes time getting angry about a pipewrench because it can't drive in a nail like a hammer. I hope Devuan enforces as few requirements as possible, but leaves room for people who want all the bells and whistles - because you want more people using it, not less. Linux is a very big place and there is plenty of room for everyone to play the way that they want to. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?
Hi, T.J. Duchene wrote on 23/07/2015 at 21:35 CEST: [...] UNIX was designed from the beginning to be a multi-user system. That was entire reason in creating it, actually. The concept of "multi-seat" as a feature is being able to login and allow multiple users to use the same hardware independently. A lot of people would argue that Linux already does this, and you don't need a framework for it. I know this and they know it. It's true.The Linux multi-seat software provides a framework for the easy setup of hotplug devices, X11 logins, permissions, and other things that need to be done to easily provide access to more than one user. [...] To me, "multi-seat" is a marketing term, because beyond the requirement that there are mulitple seats involved (which makes sense if multiple users are involved who are in a seated posture), it does not specify much. Kind regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
