Re: [DNG] Never again

[. fsmithred]

Steve,

Did you figure out how to get the DVD to install from the DVD, or did you
not notice that you were doing a netinstall? (or is beta2 out already?)

Your computer has enough RAM to go around? 4096 is around 10 times what you
need. Xfce will come up and work fine with 250mb (until you want to use a
web browser.)

-fsr

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:46:51 -0400
> Steve Litt  wrote:
>
>
> > Meanwhile, after 40 minutes, my DVD-sized install media appears to be
> > about halfway through the install process.
> >
> > So this wasn't about Devuan, and it wasn't about the size of the
> > install ISO. I had a wrong qemu command.
>
> With the correct qemu command, the installation finished in somewhere
> between 55 and 70 minutes (I was elsewhere on Skype). I booted to the
> image, and it ran snappy.
>
> Thanks for all your help and encouragement.
>
> SteveT
>
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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:46:51 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:


> Meanwhile, after 40 minutes, my DVD-sized install media appears to be
> about halfway through the install process.
> 
> So this wasn't about Devuan, and it wasn't about the size of the
> install ISO. I had a wrong qemu command.

With the correct qemu command, the installation finished in somewhere
between 55 and 70 minutes (I was elsewhere on Skype). I booted to the
image, and it ran snappy.

Thanks for all your help and encouragement.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 23:22:35 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:44:47PM +0200, Harald Arnesen wrote:
> > Steve Litt [2016-05-12 22:29]:  
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan
> > > Alpha, I installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install
> > > ISO. Yesterday and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD
> > > ISO, I was reminded why I always did this.
> > > 
> > > I started this install last night, and it's still not finished.
> > > I've installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster. The whole time, whenever
> > > the VM hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was
> > > taking over 90% of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's
> > > progress.
> > > 
> > > If this thing isn't finished within 2 hours, I'm going to wipe my
> > > VM clean and start over with a network install. And I'm never
> > > going to install from a full ISO again.  
> > 
> > Strange. I installed Devuan from the beta version in a virtual
> > machine yeserday, less than one hour.  
> 
> Same over here. I have installed several times from netinst in expert
> mode under qemu (with kvm enabled) and it works smoothly. A complete
> installation of a basic system requires less than one hour in quemu.

Same here. I use shellscripts to do the qemu commands. After
discovering my rundevuan.sh shellscript was slow installing Ubuntu too,
I copied my known-good runlyxbuntu.sh script to rundevuan.sh (after
backing it up as rundevuan_slow.sh), changed the ISO and image file and
changed drive to d (for cdrom), ran it again, and it's much, much
faster.

My qemu command had been wrong somehow.

The beauty of my situation is that I have the root cause trapped
between the working rundevuan.sh and the molasses slow
rundevuan_slow.sh, so once I'm installed, I can exploit the
differences, slowly changing copies of each until I can make one
emulate the other by toggling one factor. I've got this badboy trapped.

Meanwhile, after 40 minutes, my DVD-sized install media appears to be
about halfway through the install process.

So this wasn't about Devuan, and it wasn't about the size of the
install ISO. I had a wrong qemu command.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:44:47PM +0200, Harald Arnesen wrote:
> Steve Litt [2016-05-12 22:29]:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan Alpha, I
> > installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install ISO. Yesterday
> > and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD ISO, I was reminded why
> > I always did this.
> > 
> > I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
> > installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster. The whole time, whenever the VM
> > hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over 90%
> > of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.
> > 
> > If this thing isn't finished within 2 hours, I'm going to wipe my VM
> > clean and start over with a network install. And I'm never going to
> > install from a full ISO again.
> 
> Strange. I installed Devuan from the beta version in a virtual machine
> yeserday, less than one hour.

Same over here. I have installed several times from netinst in expert
mode under qemu (with kvm enabled) and it works smoothly. A complete
installation of a basic system requires less than one hour in quemu.

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 17:56:09 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:

> On Thu, 12 May 2016 16:29:56 -0400
> Steve Litt  wrote:
> 
> 
> > I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
> > installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster.  
> 
> There's something weird going on. It finally installed, I booted the
> image, and it's behaving like I don't have enable_kvm, which I do:
> 
> ==
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> qemu-system-x86_64  -m 4096 -hda devuan.img -boot c -ctrl-grab \
>  -cdrom /scratch/linuxinst/devuan/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_DVD.iso
>  -vga std  -enable-kvm \
> -netdev user,id=mynet0  -device e1000,netdev=mynet0
> 
> # -show-cursor
> 
> 
> #-netdev user,id=mynet0  -device e1000,netdev=mynet0 
> # -netdev tap,id=mynet0 -device e1000,netdev=mynet0
> 
> #/scratch/linuxinst/sysrescuecd/systemrescuecd-x86-4.3.0.iso
> 
> #lubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso
> 
> # -show-cursor
> 
> ==
> 
> The preceding script shows how I ran it.
> 
> I'm going to use that exact script, with Ubuntu 14.04, to see if I get
> the same turtle slowness. This should identify any problems I have
> with the script I ran it with.

The problem happened with Ubuntu too, so this is almost certainly not a
Devuan or a DVD-sized installer problem.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 23:44:47 +0200
Harald Arnesen  wrote:

> Steve Litt [2016-05-12 22:29]:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan
> > Alpha, I installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install ISO.
> > Yesterday and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD ISO, I
> > was reminded why I always did this.
> > 
> > I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
> > installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster. The whole time, whenever the VM
> > hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over
> > 90% of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.
> > 
> > If this thing isn't finished within 2 hours, I'm going to wipe my VM
> > clean and start over with a network install. And I'm never going to
> > install from a full ISO again.  
> 
> Strange. I installed Devuan from the beta version in a virtual machine
> yeserday, less than one hour.

Yeah, there's something really wrong going on with my setup.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 16:29:56 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:


> I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
> installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster.

There's something weird going on. It finally installed, I booted the
image, and it's behaving like I don't have enable_kvm, which I do:

==
#!/bin/sh

qemu-system-x86_64  -m 4096 -hda devuan.img -boot c -ctrl-grab \
 -cdrom /scratch/linuxinst/devuan/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_DVD.iso
 -vga std  -enable-kvm \
-netdev user,id=mynet0  -device e1000,netdev=mynet0

# -show-cursor


#-netdev user,id=mynet0  -device e1000,netdev=mynet0 
# -netdev tap,id=mynet0 -device e1000,netdev=mynet0

#/scratch/linuxinst/sysrescuecd/systemrescuecd-x86-4.3.0.iso

#lubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso

# -show-cursor

==

The preceding script shows how I ran it.

I'm going to use that exact script, with Ubuntu 14.04, to see if I get
the same turtle slowness. This should identify any problems I have with
the script I ran it with.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Harald Arnesen]

Steve Litt [2016-05-12 22:29]:
> Hi all,
> 
> The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan Alpha, I
> installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install ISO. Yesterday
> and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD ISO, I was reminded why
> I always did this.
> 
> I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
> installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster. The whole time, whenever the VM
> hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over 90%
> of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.
> 
> If this thing isn't finished within 2 hours, I'm going to wipe my VM
> clean and start over with a network install. And I'm never going to
> install from a full ISO again.

Strange. I installed Devuan from the beta version in a virtual machine
yeserday, less than one hour.
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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 12 May 2016 23:49:42 +0300
Hakan Peker  wrote:

> On 05/12/2016 11:29 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > The whole time, whenever the VM
> > hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over
> > 90% of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.  
> 
> This is strange, not the part that it is slow but it is CPU bound.
> Can you check what is using the cpu by switching to tty?

What do you mean by "switching to tty?"

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Never again

[Hakan Peker]

On 05/12/2016 11:29 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

The whole time, whenever the VM
hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over 90%
of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.


This is strange, not the part that it is slow but it is CPU bound. Can 
you check what is using the cpu by switching to tty?


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[DNG] Never again

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan Alpha, I
installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install ISO. Yesterday
and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD ISO, I was reminded why
I always did this.

I started this install last night, and it's still not finished. I've
installed Gentoo and Funtoo faster. The whole time, whenever the VM
hosted install wasn't waiting for input from me, it was taking over 90%
of one of my cores, and slowing my machine's progress.

If this thing isn't finished within 2 hours, I'm going to wipe my VM
clean and start over with a network install. And I'm never going to
install from a full ISO again.

SteveT

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