Re: [DNG] Redhat EEEs CentOS?

2020-12-14 Thread John Crisp via Dng
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 23:47:39 -0800
Rick Moen  wrote:

> Quoting vmlinux (vmli...@charter.net):
> 
> > Embrace, Extend, Extinguish? Shocking but not surprising. Even more
> > reason for Devuan to exist.
> > 
> > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/12/centos-shifts-from-red-hat-unbranded-to-red-hat-beta/
> >  
> 


Plenty of blood being spilled over there. Think there are a couple of
the original CentOS devs who I remember proudly being given their Red
Hats who probably now feel a dagger sticking out their back.

This caught the eye.

http://crunchtools.com/before-you-get-mad-about-the-centos-stream-change-think-about/

Various interesting comments:

http://crunchtools.com/before-you-get-mad-about-the-centos-stream-change-think-about/#comment-647540

But as someone pointed out RH revenue in 2018 was like $3.4 billion

So the reasoning is far from clear cut - it isn't really all about cash
in the strictest sense (it will be there somewhere clearly).

Anyone see the dark hand of IBM being waved in the background? Want
a more cutting edge rapid release version for their Cloud stuff?

Fedora -> CentOS -> RH ?

"it’s not about making money, it’s about out growing your competitors"
(and dumping a few 'free loaders' I guess)

You need to be pushing the curve in that case. CentOS did not fit.

I have to say personally I was surprised CentOS agreed to be 'bought
out' in the first place, and then always expected this day would come.
That air of inevitability.

Hey ho.


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Re: [DNG] Redhat EEEs CentOS?

2020-12-10 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting vmlinux (vmli...@charter.net):

> Embrace, Extend, Extinguish? Shocking but not surprising. Even more reason 
> for Devuan to exist.
> 
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/12/centos-shifts-from-red-hat-unbranded-to-red-hat-beta/




From: Rick Moen via Sb 
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 23:41:46 -0800
To: Birmingham Linux User Group 
Subject: Re: [SB] Strategic CentOS

Quoting Brian C via Sb (s...@mailman.lug.org.uk):

> CentOS Stream made no technical sense to me when I first read about
> it, and it still doesn't.  People use CentOS because they want
> stability.

Concur.

> So the recent strategic move I see as effectively killing the CentOS
> project, but keeping the name alive to attempt to minimise adverse
> reactions.
>  
> And I assume that someone is gambling on a large number of CentOS
> users finding it less expensive to switch to RHEL than to something
> else.
> 
> Hopefully information will leak about who's been pushing for the
> change and when they started.

All the signs I'm seeing make me think this is a high-level decision
already fully underway and highly unlikely to ever be reversed.  I share
your surmise about RH Corporate's aim.  Still, the suddenly
prospect-less CentOS user community can reasonably be grateful for Red
Hat, Inc.'s sponsorship of the project for many years until now.

Long ago (early 2000s), independent RHEL-rebuild projects sprang up and
thrived when a number of people, starting with John Morris (White Box
Enterprise Linux) realised that an unbranded RHEL-equivalent was
feasible.  Morris's work was followed by Tao Linux, Scientific Linux,
cAos Linux, NPACI Rocks Cluster Distribution, BioBrew Linux, X/OS Linux,
Pie Box Enterprise Linux, and others.  

I'm not clear on what new obstacles there might now be, e.g., on account
of RH, Inc. wishing to make things difficult for Oracle Linux.  In olden
days, the main task required was to swap in different contents for the
two trademark-encumbered non-software SRPMs, the ones named redhat-logos
and anaconda-images, and some other work to make the result self-hosting
and compile everything to create a binary distro.

At the time, there was a mailing list named rhel-rebuild, where the
pioneers of the above-cited projects and others hung out.  Its
information page still exists:
https://www.uibk.ac.at/zid/systeme/linux/linux-alt/rhel-rebuild-l.html

I'm betting the actual mailing list (hosted for a while on Sympa) 
is long gone.  (Untested, though.)

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[DNG] Redhat EEEs CentOS?

2020-12-10 Thread vmlinux
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish? Shocking but not surprising. Even more reason for 
Devuan to exist.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/12/centos-shifts-from-red-hat-unbranded-to-red-hat-beta/
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