Re: [DNG] User services
\o/ this is pretty cool and significantly more than I thought would be the beginning. On dv., maig 10 2019, Martin Steigerwald wrote: And now feel free already to contribute your own services. :) I welcome merge requests. Let me just add: not only creating the Merge Requests, but also requesting support for X should also be helpful in that we get to know which packages and user-services are having issues with. Of course, ideally: contributed work is better than just asking for things to get done :-). Maybe the path to officially supporting runit can start by calling everyone who uses it one way or another to contribute some svdirs. There are quite some ideas on how to improve this initial proof of concept: - Make it work out of the box with .xprofile (or how that is called). /me looking to Evilham now :) There is not much to it really, a line I'd use in ~/.xprofile is something like: /usr/bin/runsvdir -P "$HOME/.services/enabled" "log: " & And it should start and stop along with the X session (I don't think it's a good idea to have these services start on regular sessions). - Make it work with other desktop environments out of the box Using the above should do that. - Make it handle groups of services in a clean and simple way - Make it work with s6 alternatively (may just need replacing runsvdir) - And of course add more services, … - including any of those relevant in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ - Putting it into a package. I am willing to package it at a later point in time. When discussing this, please make sure doing so constructively. Thanks a lot to Evilham for coming up with the idea to use runit for user services and for providing the initial service directories for the four services to make Evolution work. Thank you for looking into it and actually documenting it and improving on the whole thing. Now let's make more out of this by the power of together… and of course enjoy using it. Yes! -- Evilham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] User services (UPDATE 2)
Martin Steigerwald - 11.05.19, 11:00: > Martin Steigerwald - 10.05.19, 21:12: > > Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus > > and > > running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… > > > > tada… welcome to user services: > > > > https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services/blob/master/README.md > > So I updated it already: > - Changed service directory default to ~/.service (instead of > ~/.services) to more closely match system-wide /etc/service > - Made location of directory configurable (in install-or-update.sh) > - Logging now works > > So please just do > > mv ~/.services ~/.service > > in case you used it before. > > Make sure you have 8400c3c55fa7cffacbb4be1a43b0962696029dcc or a later > commit. > > And yeah, at some time there will be a changelog. As of fa0f445120adf9e2b25c2c91cdf201b514a16bc2 location of user service directory is now officially configurable, but beware of this note in README.md: "If you like to use another directory then run it as: SERVICEDIR='DIRECTORY' ./install-or-update.sh *NOTE*: For compatibility with future versions, please make sure to set that environment variable in your shell profile in case you like to use a different directory." Thanks, Martin > > % userservice list > > evolution-addressbook-factory > > evolution-calendar-factory > > evolution-source-registry > > evolution-user-prompter > > pulseaudio > > redshift > > > > % userservice enable evolution-user-prompter > > > > % ps aux | grep "[e]volution" > > martin 10495 0.0 0.0 2156 744 ?S21:01 0:00 > > runsv evolution-user-prompter martin 10497 4.4 0.3 443308 53076 > > ?> > > Sl 21:01 0:00 /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-user-prompter > > > > % userservice enabled > > evolution-user-prompter > > pulseaudio > > redshift > > > > % userservice disable evolution-user-prompter > > % ps aux | grep "[e]volution" > > > > % userservice enabled > > pulseaudio > > redshift > > > > > > And now feel free already to contribute your own services. :) > > > > I welcome merge requests. > > > > > > There are quite some ideas on how to improve this initial proof of > > concept: - Make it work out of the box with .xprofile (or how that > > is > > called). /me looking to Evilham now :) > > - Make it work with other desktop environments out of the box > > - Make it handle groups of services in a clean and simple way > > - Make it work with s6 alternatively (may just need replacing > > runsvdir) - And of course add more services, … > > - including any of those relevant in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ > > - Putting it into a package. I am willing to package it at a later > > point in time. > > > > > > When discussing this, please make sure doing so constructively. > > > > > > Thanks a lot to Evilham for coming up with the idea to use runit for > > user services and for providing the initial service directories for > > the four services to make Evolution work. > > > > > > Now let's make more out of this by the power of together… > > > > and of course enjoy using it. > > > > Thanks. -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] User services
Didier Kryn - 11.05.19, 11:22: > Le 11/05/2019 à 09:54, Steve Litt a écrit : > > On Fri, 10 May 2019 21:12:15 +0200 > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > >> Hi! > >> > >> Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus > >> and > >> running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… > >> > >> tada… welcome to user services: > >> > >> https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services/blob/master/README.md > > > > Nice! > > > > This is a great new way for me to run the home-grown daemons I want > > to run as slitt instead of root. > > > > A question: What runs user-services.sh? Should it be called from > > ~/.bashrc, or from somewhere else? > > In Xfce, like probably in most DEs, you can declare the > applications you want to start when session starts. > > According to Martin's mail, I guess KDE stores that in > ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env > > In xfce4, this seems to be done by adding the launcher file in > ~/.config/autostart . Hmmm, maybe that would work with Plasma, too. A universally working location would be best. But that would need to be a *.desktop file then, wouldn't it? Thanks, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] User services
Le 11/05/2019 à 09:54, Steve Litt a écrit : On Fri, 10 May 2019 21:12:15 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: Hi! Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus and running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… tada… welcome to user services: https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services/blob/master/README.md Nice! This is a great new way for me to run the home-grown daemons I want to run as slitt instead of root. A question: What runs user-services.sh? Should it be called from ~/.bashrc, or from somewhere else? In Xfce, like probably in most DEs, you can declare the applications you want to start when session starts. According to Martin's mail, I guess KDE stores that in ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env In xfce4, this seems to be done by adding the launcher file in ~/.config/autostart . Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] User services (UPDATE 1)
Martin Steigerwald - 10.05.19, 21:12: > Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus and > running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… > > tada… welcome to user services: > > https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services/blob/master/README.md So I updated it already: - Changed service directory default to ~/.service (instead of ~/.services) to more closely match system-wide /etc/service - Made location of directory configurable (in install-or-update.sh) - Logging now works So please just do mv ~/.services ~/.service in case you used it before. Make sure you have 8400c3c55fa7cffacbb4be1a43b0962696029dcc or a later commit. And yeah, at some time there will be a changelog. > % userservice list > evolution-addressbook-factory > evolution-calendar-factory > evolution-source-registry > evolution-user-prompter > pulseaudio > redshift > > % userservice enable evolution-user-prompter > > % ps aux | grep "[e]volution" > martin 10495 0.0 0.0 2156 744 ?S21:01 0:00 runsv > evolution-user-prompter martin 10497 4.4 0.3 443308 53076 ? > Sl 21:01 0:00 /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-user-prompter > > % userservice enabled > evolution-user-prompter > pulseaudio > redshift > > % userservice disable evolution-user-prompter > % ps aux | grep "[e]volution" > > % userservice enabled > pulseaudio > redshift > > > And now feel free already to contribute your own services. :) > > I welcome merge requests. > > > There are quite some ideas on how to improve this initial proof of > concept: - Make it work out of the box with .xprofile (or how that is > called). /me looking to Evilham now :) > - Make it work with other desktop environments out of the box > - Make it handle groups of services in a clean and simple way > - Make it work with s6 alternatively (may just need replacing > runsvdir) - And of course add more services, … > - including any of those relevant in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ > - Putting it into a package. I am willing to package it at a later > point in time. > > > When discussing this, please make sure doing so constructively. > > > Thanks a lot to Evilham for coming up with the idea to use runit for > user services and for providing the initial service directories for > the four services to make Evolution work. > > > Now let's make more out of this by the power of together… > > and of course enjoy using it. > > Thanks. -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] User services
Steve Litt - 11.05.19, 09:54: > On Fri, 10 May 2019 21:12:15 +0200 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus > > and > > running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… > > > > tada… welcome to user services: > > > > https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services/blob/master/README.md > > Nice! > > This is a great new way for me to run the home-grown daemons I want to > run as slitt instead of root. > > A question: What runs user-services.sh? Should it be called from > ~/.bashrc, or from somewhere else? Well, this is a good question. If KDE Plasma is detected, the install-or-update.sh script, stuffes it into ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env so it gets started with the session. You can either put it into .xprofile or how that is called (Evilham uses that) or in your shell profile file. It depends a bit on whether you like your services be started only for graphical sessions or also for SSH / TTY sessions. I may explore how to integrate it with PAM at a later time. I happily welcome merge requests which extend the install-or-update.sh script to integrate with xprofile or you name it. Ciao, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] User services
On Fri, 10 May 2019 21:12:15 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hi! > > Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus and > running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… > > tada… welcome to user services: > > https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services/blob/master/README.md Nice! This is a great new way for me to run the home-grown daemons I want to run as slitt instead of root. A question: What runs user-services.sh? Should it be called from ~/.bashrc, or from somewhere else? SteveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] User services
Martin Steigerwald - 10.05.19, 21:12: > Thanks a lot to Evilham for coming up with the idea to use runit for > user services and for providing the initial service directories for > the four services to make Evolution work. Thanks a lot of course also to Gerrit Pape for that piece of art and simplicity called 'runit'. -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] User services
Hi! Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus and running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… tada… welcome to user services: https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services/blob/master/README.md % userservice list evolution-addressbook-factory evolution-calendar-factory evolution-source-registry evolution-user-prompter pulseaudio redshift % userservice enable evolution-user-prompter % ps aux | grep "[e]volution" martin 10495 0.0 0.0 2156 744 ?S21:01 0:00 runsv evolution-user-prompter martin 10497 4.4 0.3 443308 53076 ?Sl 21:01 0:00 /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-user-prompter % userservice enabled evolution-user-prompter pulseaudio redshift % userservice disable evolution-user-prompter % ps aux | grep "[e]volution" % userservice enabled pulseaudio redshift And now feel free already to contribute your own services. :) I welcome merge requests. There are quite some ideas on how to improve this initial proof of concept: - Make it work out of the box with .xprofile (or how that is called). /me looking to Evilham now :) - Make it work with other desktop environments out of the box - Make it handle groups of services in a clean and simple way - Make it work with s6 alternatively (may just need replacing runsvdir) - And of course add more services, … - including any of those relevant in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ - Putting it into a package. I am willing to package it at a later point in time. When discussing this, please make sure doing so constructively. Thanks a lot to Evilham for coming up with the idea to use runit for user services and for providing the initial service directories for the four services to make Evolution work. Now let's make more out of this by the power of together… and of course enjoy using it. Thanks. -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
