Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Sorry to bring this up.

I just wanted to say that, after a dist-upgrade, the latest Linux kernel
from Jessie backports (4.9.0) boots just fine.

I could never known what was wrong with Linux 4.7.

Thanks for your support,
Emiliano.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Brad Campbell 
wrote:

> On 20/12/16 06:08, marc wrote:
>
>> Hi devuanfanboy,
>>>
>>> Thanks but no, that dind't work.
>>>
>>
>> I have also had an interesting time getting the devuan beta to
>> run with a newer kernel.
>>
>> In my case I have forgone the entire initrd, and built the newest
>> stable kernel from kernel.org with the necessary drivers built in.
>> In some kernel configurations the system boots into a blank screen.
>> In others X doesn't come up.
>>
>> I suspect (but can't confirm) that it has something to do with how
>> the framebuffer or related kernel graphics drivers are initialised.
>>
>> I think there was some sort of changeover between the old style
>> framebuffers and simpleframebuffer ? Please regard this as a
>> rumor, and somebody correct me if it is obviously wrong - as I
>> haven't gotten around to looking at it more. For the record: I was
>> doing this on an intel graphics chipset.
>>
>
> Just as a test, try CONFIG_DRM_FBDEV_EMULATION=y
>
> I had a hells own time upgrading an older system to a newer kernel and not
> getting any console until I enabled that legacy option.
>
> It might help, then again maybe not. Your post just triggered me to look
> back through my upgrade notes. I think that came in around 4.4 (ish).
>
> Regards,
> Brad
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Daniel Abrecht]

On 12/19/2016 10:08 PM, marc wrote:
> And completely unrelated: The devuan I have doesn't mount the
> cgroup fs (debian seems to rely on systemd to that), so if you want
> to use lxc, you might want to add
>
> mount -t cgroup cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup 
>
> to your startup scripts.

I'm using the cgroupfs-mount package for this.


regards,
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Brad Campbell]

On 20/12/16 06:08, marc wrote:

Hi devuanfanboy,

Thanks but no, that dind't work.


I have also had an interesting time getting the devuan beta to
run with a newer kernel.

In my case I have forgone the entire initrd, and built the newest
stable kernel from kernel.org with the necessary drivers built in.
In some kernel configurations the system boots into a blank screen.
In others X doesn't come up.

I suspect (but can't confirm) that it has something to do with how
the framebuffer or related kernel graphics drivers are initialised.

I think there was some sort of changeover between the old style
framebuffers and simpleframebuffer ? Please regard this as a
rumor, and somebody correct me if it is obviously wrong - as I
haven't gotten around to looking at it more. For the record: I was
doing this on an intel graphics chipset.


Just as a test, try CONFIG_DRM_FBDEV_EMULATION=y

I had a hells own time upgrading an older system to a newer kernel and 
not getting any console until I enabled that legacy option.


It might help, then again maybe not. Your post just triggered me to look 
back through my upgrade notes. I think that came in around 4.4 (ish).


Regards,
Brad
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[marc]

> Hi devuanfanboy,
> 
> Thanks but no, that dind't work.

I have also had an interesting time getting the devuan beta to 
run with a newer kernel. 

In my case I have forgone the entire initrd, and built the newest
stable kernel from kernel.org with the necessary drivers built in. 
In some kernel configurations the system boots into a blank screen. 
In others X doesn't come up.

I suspect (but can't confirm) that it has something to do with how
the framebuffer or related kernel graphics drivers are initialised. 

I think there was some sort of changeover between the old style
framebuffers and simpleframebuffer ? Please regard this as a 
rumor, and somebody correct me if it is obviously wrong - as I
haven't gotten around to looking at it more. For the record: I was 
doing this on an intel graphics chipset. 

And completely unrelated: The devuan I have doesn't mount the
cgroup fs (debian seems to rely on systemd to that), so if you want
to use lxc, you might want to add

mount -t cgroup cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup 

to your startup scripts.

regards

marc
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Hi devuanfanboy,

Thanks but no, that dind't work.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM,  wrote:

> I have one suggestion for how to fix the problem.
>
> Try using a traditional device node, instead of booting with the root
> partition set as a UUID. The UUID may have changed over kernel upgrade.
>
> Have a look in /etc/fstab to find the right device node for "/"
>
> And edit your grub configuration line so that root=  points to that device
> node.
>
> e.g root=/dev/sda5
>
> Where /dev/sda5 is your root partition. If that works to boot your new
> kernel, change your grub configuration to that permanently.
>
> If you do need to use UUID's for some reason use the blkid command to find
> out the correct UUID whilst booted to that kernel.
>
> Let us know if that helps.
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[devuanfanboy]

I have one suggestion for how to fix the problem.

Try using a traditional device node, instead of booting with the root 
partition set as a UUID. The UUID may have changed over kernel upgrade.


Have a look in /etc/fstab to find the right device node for "/"

And edit your grub configuration line so that root=  points to that 
device node.


e.g root=/dev/sda5

Where /dev/sda5 is your root partition. If that works to boot your new 
kernel, change your grub configuration to that permanently. 


If you do need to use UUID's for some reason use the blkid command to 
find out the correct UUID whilst booted to that kernel.


Let us know if that helps.
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[aitor_czr]

Hi Emiliano,

On 12/16/2016 05:03 PM, Emiliano Marini wrote:

I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel.

I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image...
previously.

Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested:

root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi

Booted using this new initrd, same results:(  I'm getting tired of this.

Did you try with the newest version linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo2?

I haven't time to test it, sorryI'm working in simple-netaid, now...

Good luck,

  Aitor.




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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 07:32:44PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 05:34:41PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> > What I am trying to say is that you can donwload a vanilla kernel from
> > www.kernel.org, e.g. one that does not have that bug (which seems to
> > have been introduced by one of the Debian patches) and produce a deb
> > package for it using kernel-package. You might find this tutorial
> > somehow useful:
> > 
> >   https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch08s06.html.en
> 
> I'd recommend against using kernel-package, it is basically unmaintained and
> produces broken packages, at least for modern kernels.  If you're trying to
> compile a recent kernel, you'll be far better off using "make bindeb-pkg".
> 
> 

Thanks a lot Adam for the update. It is evident that some time has
passed since the last occasion when I had to create a deb package for
a custom kernel ;)

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Adam Borowski]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 05:34:41PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> What I am trying to say is that you can donwload a vanilla kernel from
> www.kernel.org, e.g. one that does not have that bug (which seems to
> have been introduced by one of the Debian patches) and produce a deb
> package for it using kernel-package. You might find this tutorial
> somehow useful:
> 
>   https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch08s06.html.en

I'd recommend against using kernel-package, it is basically unmaintained and
produces broken packages, at least for modern kernels.  If you're trying to
compile a recent kernel, you'll be far better off using "make bindeb-pkg".


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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:10:45PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Thanks KatolaZ,
> 
> I was trying that, but once I saw "4.7.8-1" I stopped immediately because
> of that bug reported on the Debian bug track.
> 
> It was nice learning some things though.
> 

What I am trying to say is that you can donwload a vanilla kernel from
www.kernel.org, e.g. one that does not have that bug (which seems to
have been introduced by one of the Debian patches) and produce a deb
package for it using kernel-package. You might find this tutorial
somehow useful:

  https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch08s06.html.en

Sorry if this information is redundant or useless to you, for any
reason...

HND

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 01:40:49PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Update:
> 
> I just downloaded the source code for this kernel through apt-get source
> linux and got this:
> 
> root@devuan:/usr/local/src# ll
> total 92204
> drwxr-xr-x 26 root root  4096 dic 16 13:39 linux-4.7.8
> -rw-r--r--  1 root staff  2666180 oct 19 22:02
> linux_4.7.8-1~bpo8+1.debian.tar.xz
> -rw-r--r--  1 root staff88389 oct 19 22:02 linux_4.7.8-1~bpo8+1.dsc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root staff 91653948 oct 19 15:29 linux_4.7.8.orig.tar.xz
> 
> So I think this is the same bug Daniel share:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841883
> 
> Sorry for the inconvenience, it seems this kernel is still present in
> Jessie backports.


Hi Emiliano,

I am happy you eventually found it out :) It seems that the easiest
thing is to wait for the newer version to become available in bpo. An
alternative might be to recompile the source from scratch, and get a
deb package using kernel-package. It is normally pretty
straightforward, especially if you start from an existing kernel conf.

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Ups!

Reattempted running:

mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686

Anyway, same result. The kernel won't even try to decompress the initrd.


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Alessandro Selli  wrote:

> Il giorno Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:22:58 -0300
> Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:
>
> > I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel.
> >
> > I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image...
> > previously.
> >
> > Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested:
> >
> > root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.
> 1-686.emi
> >
>   This creates an initrd file name initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi with
> data
> of the running kernel, which is *not* 4.7.0-0.  Reissue the command telling
> it to create the file with data for the 4.7 kernel:
>
> mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi
> 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi
>
> (make sure 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi is the right kernel version string).
>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Update:

I just downloaded the source code for this kernel through apt-get source
linux and got this:

root@devuan:/usr/local/src# ll
total 92204
drwxr-xr-x 26 root root  4096 dic 16 13:39 linux-4.7.8
-rw-r--r--  1 root staff  2666180 oct 19 22:02
linux_4.7.8-1~bpo8+1.debian.tar.xz
-rw-r--r--  1 root staff88389 oct 19 22:02 linux_4.7.8-1~bpo8+1.dsc
-rw-r--r--  1 root staff 91653948 oct 19 15:29 linux_4.7.8.orig.tar.xz

So I think this is the same bug Daniel share:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841883

Sorry for the inconvenience, it seems this kernel is still present in
Jessie backports.

Cheers,
Emiliano.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Emiliano Marini  wrote:

> Indeed:
>
> root@devuan:/boot# grep _RD_ config-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y
> CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y
> CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y
> CONFIG_RD_XZ=y
> CONFIG_RD_LZO=y
> CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:58 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:22:58AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>> > I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel.
>> >
>> > I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image...
>> > previously.
>> >
>> > Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested:
>> >
>> > root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1
>> -686.emi
>> >
>> > Booted using this new initrd, same results :( I'm getting tired of this.
>> >
>> > Didn't say this before, but things like keyboard, Ctrl+Alt+Delete, etc.
>> > don't work/respond either.
>> >
>>
>> Emiliano, I genuinely don't know what the problem might be. It seems
>> like the kernel is failing to unzip the initramfs. This suspect is
>> supported by the fact that your 4.6 kernel can actually proceed until
>> the same initramfs gets mounted (and then it fails to mount /, since
>> it cannot find kernel modules, obviously...)
>>
>> However, I have been using the very same kernel (the amd64 version, to
>> be precise) on my own laptop for ages now, without any issue. It boots
>> properly, and runs properly. The corresponding initrd is in gzip
>> format, and in /boot/config-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 I find:
>>
>> 
>> CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y
>> CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y
>> CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y
>> CONFIG_RD_XZ=y
>> CONFIG_RD_LZO=y
>> CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y
>> 
>>
>> I assume you have checked your /boot/config-4.7.0-xx
>>
>> Dunno
>>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Alessandro Selli]

Il giorno Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:22:58 -0300
Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:

> I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel.
> 
> I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image...
> previously.
> 
> Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested:
> 
> root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi
>
  This creates an initrd file name initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi with data
of the running kernel, which is *not* 4.7.0-0.  Reissue the command telling
it to create the file with data for the 4.7 kernel:

mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi

(make sure 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi is the right kernel version string).


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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Indeed:

root@devuan:/boot# grep _RD_ config-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y
CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y
CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y
CONFIG_RD_XZ=y
CONFIG_RD_LZO=y
CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:58 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:22:58AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> > I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel.
> >
> > I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image...
> > previously.
> >
> > Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested:
> >
> > root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.
> 1-686.emi
> >
> > Booted using this new initrd, same results :( I'm getting tired of this.
> >
> > Didn't say this before, but things like keyboard, Ctrl+Alt+Delete, etc.
> > don't work/respond either.
> >
>
> Emiliano, I genuinely don't know what the problem might be. It seems
> like the kernel is failing to unzip the initramfs. This suspect is
> supported by the fact that your 4.6 kernel can actually proceed until
> the same initramfs gets mounted (and then it fails to mount /, since
> it cannot find kernel modules, obviously...)
>
> However, I have been using the very same kernel (the amd64 version, to
> be precise) on my own laptop for ages now, without any issue. It boots
> properly, and runs properly. The corresponding initrd is in gzip
> format, and in /boot/config-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 I find:
>
> 
> CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y
> CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y
> CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y
> CONFIG_RD_XZ=y
> CONFIG_RD_LZO=y
> CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y
> 
>
> I assume you have checked your /boot/config-4.7.0-xx
>
> Dunno
>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:22:58AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel.
> 
> I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image...
> previously.
> 
> Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested:
> 
> root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi
> 
> Booted using this new initrd, same results :( I'm getting tired of this.
> 
> Didn't say this before, but things like keyboard, Ctrl+Alt+Delete, etc.
> don't work/respond either.
> 

Emiliano, I genuinely don't know what the problem might be. It seems
like the kernel is failing to unzip the initramfs. This suspect is
supported by the fact that your 4.6 kernel can actually proceed until
the same initramfs gets mounted (and then it fails to mount /, since
it cannot find kernel modules, obviously...)

However, I have been using the very same kernel (the amd64 version, to
be precise) on my own laptop for ages now, without any issue. It boots
properly, and runs properly. The corresponding initrd is in gzip
format, and in /boot/config-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 I find:


CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y
CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y
CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y
CONFIG_RD_XZ=y
CONFIG_RD_LZO=y
CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y


I assume you have checked your /boot/config-4.7.0-xx

Dunno

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel.

I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image...
previously.

Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested:

root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi

Booted using this new initrd, same results :( I'm getting tired of this.

Didn't say this before, but things like keyboard, Ctrl+Alt+Delete, etc.
don't work/respond either.


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:10 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:08:10AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> > The 4.6 kernel could extract my .xz initrd though.
> >
>
> Have you tried recreating the initrd with initramfs-tools? (or just by
> purging and reinstalling the 4.7 kernel package?)
>
> HND
>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:08:10AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> The 4.6 kernel could extract my .xz initrd though.
> 

Have you tried recreating the initrd with initramfs-tools? (or just by
purging and reinstalling the 4.7 kernel package?)

HND

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

The 4.6 kernel could extract my .xz initrd though.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Emiliano Marini <
emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alright,
>
> I did this:
>
> root@devuan:~# mkdir -p /tmp/initrd
> root@devuan:~# cd /tmp/initrd
> root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# zcat /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 | cpio
> -idmv 2>/dev/null
> root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# ls
> bin  conf  etc  init  lib  run  sbin  scripts
> root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# find . | cpio -o -c | xz -9 >
> /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz
> 281152 blocks
> root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# ls -l /boot/initrd.img-*
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14795981 dic 15 08:17 /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-586
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15916152 dic 15 07:57 /boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.
> 1-686
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16239683 dic 16 09:32 /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.
> 1-686
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11799196 dic 16 11:08 /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.
> 1-686.xz
> root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# file /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz
> /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz: XZ compressed data
>
> Sadly, booting with the 4.7 kernel and this new .xz initrd didn't work
> either.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:56 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:13:05AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I tried the 4.6 kernel with the 4.7 initrd and it almost boot (at the
>> end
>> > init cannot access the root fs device). But the 4.6 kernel extracts the
>> 4.7
>> > initrd and loads de init process. This leads me to think it's a kernel
>> > issue.
>> >
>> > Tried booting the 4.7 to /bin/sh. Same results. It seems it cannot
>> extract
>> > the initrd?
>>
>> Yes, it seems that the kernel cannot extract the initrd, because (very
>> weird!)  for some reason the 4.7 kernel you are trying to use lacks
>> builtin support to extract gzip (???). This looks pretty weird, but
>> might explain the problem.
>>
>> You should try to compress the initramfs with either bz2 or xz. It
>> seems that xz-utils is not installed in your system, so you should
>> first
>>
>>   apt-get install xz-utils
>>
>> and then recreate the initramfs again. If xz is available, initramfs
>> should try to compress the initramfs with xz. Hopefully, the 4.7
>> kernel you are trying to install will have at least xz support...
>>
>> LetUsKnow
>>
>> My2Cents
>>
>> KatolaZ
>>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Alright,

I did this:

root@devuan:~# mkdir -p /tmp/initrd
root@devuan:~# cd /tmp/initrd
root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# zcat /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 | cpio
-idmv 2>/dev/null
root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# ls
bin  conf  etc  init  lib  run  sbin  scripts
root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# find . | cpio -o -c | xz -9 >
/boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz
281152 blocks
root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# ls -l /boot/initrd.img-*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14795981 dic 15 08:17 /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-586
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15916152 dic 15 07:57
/boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16239683 dic 16 09:32
/boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11799196 dic 16 11:08
/boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz
root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# file /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz
/boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz: XZ compressed data

Sadly, booting with the 4.7 kernel and this new .xz initrd didn't work
either.


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:56 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:13:05AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>
> >
> > I tried the 4.6 kernel with the 4.7 initrd and it almost boot (at the end
> > init cannot access the root fs device). But the 4.6 kernel extracts the
> 4.7
> > initrd and loads de init process. This leads me to think it's a kernel
> > issue.
> >
> > Tried booting the 4.7 to /bin/sh. Same results. It seems it cannot
> extract
> > the initrd?
>
> Yes, it seems that the kernel cannot extract the initrd, because (very
> weird!)  for some reason the 4.7 kernel you are trying to use lacks
> builtin support to extract gzip (???). This looks pretty weird, but
> might explain the problem.
>
> You should try to compress the initramfs with either bz2 or xz. It
> seems that xz-utils is not installed in your system, so you should
> first
>
>   apt-get install xz-utils
>
> and then recreate the initramfs again. If xz is available, initramfs
> should try to compress the initramfs with xz. Hopefully, the 4.7
> kernel you are trying to install will have at least xz support...
>
> LetUsKnow
>
> My2Cents
>
> KatolaZ
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 01:56:19PM +, KatolaZ wrote:

[cut]

> 
>   apt-get install xz-utils
> 
> and then recreate the initramfs again. If xz is available, initramfs
 ^^
Sorry, I meant "initramfs-tools" there, and not "initramfs".

HND

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:13:05AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:

> 
> I tried the 4.6 kernel with the 4.7 initrd and it almost boot (at the end
> init cannot access the root fs device). But the 4.6 kernel extracts the 4.7
> initrd and loads de init process. This leads me to think it's a kernel
> issue.
> 
> Tried booting the 4.7 to /bin/sh. Same results. It seems it cannot extract
> the initrd?

Yes, it seems that the kernel cannot extract the initrd, because (very
weird!)  for some reason the 4.7 kernel you are trying to use lacks
builtin support to extract gzip (???). This looks pretty weird, but
might explain the problem.

You should try to compress the initramfs with either bz2 or xz. It
seems that xz-utils is not installed in your system, so you should
first

  apt-get install xz-utils

and then recreate the initramfs again. If xz is available, initramfs
should try to compress the initramfs with xz. Hopefully, the 4.7
kernel you are trying to install will have at least xz support...

LetUsKnow

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Hi KatolaZ,

It's gzip compressed:

emi@devuan:~$ file /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
/boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686: gzip compressed data, last modified:
Fri Dec 16 09:32:51 2016, from Unix

It unpacks ok:

emi@devuan:~$ mkdir -p /tmp/initrd
emi@devuan:~$ cd /tmp/initrd
emi@devuan:/tmp/initrd$ zcat /boot/initrd.img-4.7* | cpio -idmv 2>/dev/null
emi@devuan:/tmp/initrd$ file init
init: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
emi@devuan:/tmp/initrd$ file sbin/init
sbin/init: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32,
BuildID[sha1]=6948872c0e5c6e1933b25bc2ae3eb8b4f9bdac19, stripped
emi@devuan:/tmp/initrd$ head init
#!/bin/sh

echo "Loading, please wait..."

# Default PATH differs between shells, and is not automatically exported
# by klibc dash.  Make it consistent.
export PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin

[ -d /dev ] || mkdir -m 0755 /dev
[ -d /root ] || mkdir -m 0700 /root

That's the "Loading, please wait..." I never see.

I tried the 4.6 kernel with the 4.7 initrd and it almost boot (at the end
init cannot access the root fs device). But the 4.6 kernel extracts the 4.7
initrd and loads de init process. This leads me to think it's a kernel
issue.

Tried booting the 4.7 to /bin/sh. Same results. It seems it cannot extract
the initrd?

Cheers,
Emiliano.


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 9:07 AM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 08:21:11AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> > I've got rid of that error installing the kernel headers. But nothing has
> > changed.
> >
> > apt-get install linux-headers-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-all
> > apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> >
>
> This definitely looks to me as something (i.e., either /sbin/init or a
> kernel module) being missing/misplaced in the initrd. Is the initrd
> actually uncompressed successfully? If it is (and now I am just
> wondering), is it possible that the "init" you have in there is
> corrupted or missing, or instead waiting for some magic to happen?
> Have you tried to pass "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel? What happens?
>
> Which is the format of the initrd file that is created for you by
> initramfs-tools? Maybe (but this would be quite weird) that
> initramfs-tools has used xz compression, and for
> who-knows-which-reason the kernel does not have xz builtin, and the
> kernel fails to uncompress the initrd file?
>
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>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 08:21:11AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> I've got rid of that error installing the kernel headers. But nothing has
> changed.
> 
> apt-get install linux-headers-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-all
> apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> 

This definitely looks to me as something (i.e., either /sbin/init or a
kernel module) being missing/misplaced in the initrd. Is the initrd
actually uncompressed successfully? If it is (and now I am just
wondering), is it possible that the "init" you have in there is
corrupted or missing, or instead waiting for some magic to happen?
Have you tried to pass "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel? What happens?

Which is the format of the initrd file that is created for you by
initramfs-tools? Maybe (but this would be quite weird) that
initramfs-tools has used xz compression, and for
who-knows-which-reason the kernel does not have xz builtin, and the
kernel fails to uncompress the initrd file?

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

I've got rid of that error installing the kernel headers. But nothing has
changed.

apt-get install linux-headers-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-all
apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Emiliano Marini  wrote:

> This kernel comes from Jessie backports:
>
> root@devuan:/home/emi# apt-cache showpkg linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> Package: linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> Versions:
> 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/ar.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_
> jessie-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
>  Description Language:
>  File: /var/lib/apt/lists/ar.mirror.
> devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages
>   MD5: 7fa644ee87a93f7ea534cf8c3ab8401b
>
>
> Reverse Depends:
>   linux-image-686,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
>   linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
>   linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> Dependencies:
> 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 - kmod (0 (null)) linux-base (2 4.3~) initramfs-tools (18
> 0.110~) linux-initramfs-tool (0 (null)) linux-doc-4.7 (0 (null))
> debian-kernel-handbook (0 (null)) grub-pc (16 (null)) extlinux (0 (null))
> firmware-linux-free (0 (null)) irqbalance (0 (null))
> linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned (0 (null)) initramfs-tools (3
> 0.110~) linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned (0 (null))
> Provides:
> 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 -
> Reverse Provides:
> linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1
>
> I overlooked the output of apt-get dist-upgrade and thanks to Florian I
> have found an error previous to the initrd  generation:
>
> Configurando linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1) ...
> I: /vmlinuz.old is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686
> I: /initrd.img.old is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686
> I: /vmlinuz is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> I: /initrd.img is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms:
> Error! echo
> Your kernel headers for kernel 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 cannot be found at
> /lib/modules/4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686/build or /lib/modules/4.7.0-0.bpo.1-
> 686/source.
> /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools:
> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub:
> Generating grub configuration file ...
> Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
> Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686
> Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686
> Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-586
> Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-586
> hecho
>
> But I thinks this error is related to VirtualBox Guest Additions modules.
>
> I remember I added Jessie backports to install Code::Blocks, but now I
> don't need it anymore.
>
> I would appretiate any help further.
>
> Cheers,
> Emiliano.
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Emiliano Marini <
> emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would check that tomorrow because right now I have no access to my VM.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Florian Zieboll 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300
>>> Emiliano Marini  wrote:
>>>
>>> > I have updated my Devuan VM:
>>> >
>>> > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
>>> >
>>> > But it won't boot with Linux 4.7, I just get a blank screen right
>>> > after the GRUB menu:
>>>
>>> Hallo Emiliano,
>>>
>>> did you look into the upgrade-log for any hints?
>>> => /var/log/apt/term.log
>>>
>>> Did you chroot into the VM and try to re-run update-grub / grub-install
>>> and update-initramfs?
>>>
>>> Where do you get the 4.7 kernel package from?
>>>
>>> libre Grüße,
>>>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

This kernel comes from Jessie backports:

root@devuan:/home/emi# apt-cache showpkg linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
Package: linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
Versions:
4.7.8-1~bpo8+1
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ar.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages)
(/var/lib/dpkg/status)
 Description Language:
 File:
/var/lib/apt/lists/ar.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages
  MD5: 7fa644ee87a93f7ea534cf8c3ab8401b


Reverse Depends:
  linux-image-686,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
  linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
  linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
Dependencies:
4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 - kmod (0 (null)) linux-base (2 4.3~) initramfs-tools (18
0.110~) linux-initramfs-tool (0 (null)) linux-doc-4.7 (0 (null))
debian-kernel-handbook (0 (null)) grub-pc (16 (null)) extlinux (0 (null))
firmware-linux-free (0 (null)) irqbalance (0 (null))
linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned (0 (null)) initramfs-tools (3
0.110~) linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned (0 (null))
Provides:
4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 -
Reverse Provides:
linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1

I overlooked the output of apt-get dist-upgrade and thanks to Florian I
have found an error previous to the initrd  generation:

Configurando linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1) ...
I: /vmlinuz.old is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686
I: /initrd.img.old is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686
I: /vmlinuz is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
I: /initrd.img is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms:
Error! echo
Your kernel headers for kernel 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 cannot be found at
/lib/modules/4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686/build or
/lib/modules/4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686/source.
/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools:
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
/etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub:
Generating grub configuration file ...
Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686
Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686
Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686
Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-586
Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-586
hecho

But I thinks this error is related to VirtualBox Guest Additions modules.

I remember I added Jessie backports to install Code::Blocks, but now I
don't need it anymore.

I would appretiate any help further.

Cheers,
Emiliano.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Emiliano Marini  wrote:

> I would check that tomorrow because right now I have no access to my VM.
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Florian Zieboll  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300
>> Emiliano Marini  wrote:
>>
>> > I have updated my Devuan VM:
>> >
>> > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
>> >
>> > But it won't boot with Linux 4.7, I just get a blank screen right
>> > after the GRUB menu:
>>
>> Hallo Emiliano,
>>
>> did you look into the upgrade-log for any hints?
>> => /var/log/apt/term.log
>>
>> Did you chroot into the VM and try to re-run update-grub / grub-install
>> and update-initramfs?
>>
>> Where do you get the 4.7 kernel package from?
>>
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>>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[devuanfanboy]

Yes, make it the default using dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc (remove the 
'quiet' line altogether). You might need to change debconf priority to 
low see that prompt though, e.g dpkg-reconfigure debconf first.


Do the keyboard LED's flash when you try to boot? If so the kernel is 
loading but panicking.


On Thursday, December 15, 2016 2:26 PM, Alessandro Selli 
 wrote:

 

Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:34:25 -
devuanfan...@use.startmail.com ha scritto:
 

From your screenshot edit of the grub command line:
https://imgur.com/aSVp1UG

Try removing the 'quiet' line, this should give you some output when
booting.

 Speaking about which, I'd set this as a default GRUB setting.


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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

I would check that tomorrow because right now I have no access to my VM.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Florian Zieboll  wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300
> Emiliano Marini  wrote:
>
> > I have updated my Devuan VM:
> >
> > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
> >
> > But it won't boot with Linux 4.7, I just get a blank screen right
> > after the GRUB menu:
>
> Hallo Emiliano,
>
> did you look into the upgrade-log for any hints?
> => /var/log/apt/term.log
>
> Did you chroot into the VM and try to re-run update-grub / grub-install
> and update-initramfs?
>
> Where do you get the 4.7 kernel package from?
>
> libre Grüße,
>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

I have recreated the initrd using:

dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686

Same results. Not blinking cursor after trying to load de initramfs.


On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:11:46PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> > Nothing,
> >
> > I've got the same blank screen, with the not-blinking cursor on the top
> > left corner, after the "loading the initrd" message.
> >
>
> Could it be the case that the initrd is corrupted/misses something?
> Have you tried to recreate the initrd by yourself? (even if I believe
> that it is generated from scratch when you apt-get install the kernel
> package).
>
> Quite strange, indeed
>
> HND
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 08:50:40PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote:

[cut]

> 
> May perfectly be as you write, kind veteran Unix Admin.
> 
> However, I now remember I did have (well, on Gentoo, but it's the Unix
> version of Gentoo, not the systemd version, and I remember often issues were 
> similar
> in Debian-based systems as in Gentoo)...
> 
> [I now remember I did have] blank screens with kernels 4.8 I think, not
> the 4.9
> (
> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-4.9.0 hangs at boot with blank screen
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=602614
> ),
> so likely it wasn't that issue in that bug, the
> 
> https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-user=148167681011303=2
> > ... CONFIG_VMAP_STACK... 
> which appears only from the new kernel 4.9 .
> 
> But the boot didn't appear irregular, just the screen went blank, and I
> lost all, keyboard, mouse, all, and there was no hard disk flashing at
> all.
>

You are absolutely right, my dear veteran Unix admin: that might be
the case as well :) I hope Emiliano will be able to find a way around
the issue, whatever the cause...

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

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On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 05:44:49PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Yes, I've got the same blank screen, with the not-blinking cursor on the
> top left corner, after the "loading the initrd" message.
> 

So, technically, you don't have a blank screen, since you see at least
the non-blknking cursor :)

Have you tried to pass "vga=ask" to the kernel line as well?

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Yes, I've got the same blank screen, with the not-blinking cursor on the
top left corner, after the "loading the initrd" message.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Alessandro Selli <
alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote:

> Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:14:06 -0300
> Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:
>
> > Tried the 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae kernel (enabling PAE/NX in VirtualBox
> > config) with same results.
>
>   Did you try the debug option?
>
>
> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Alessandro Selli <
> > alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:51:05 -0300
> > > Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:
> > >
> > > > How could I check the logs if the kernel isn't loading? There is any
> way
> > > to
> > > > see GRUB logs besides removing the "quiet" option?
> > >
> > >   Try adding the debug option.
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 161215-20:50+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote:

> Just worth trying, maybe... Some issues with memory and swap could be
> overcome that way.
Oh, no, not sway of course, but the RAM issues. Let it all purge out
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 161215-19:31+, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 08:14:25PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> 
> [cut]
> 
> > 
> > It's related with ATI cards, but with the newer kernel than yours, so...
> > 
> > (And there are some issues with some Nvidia cards on Gentoo users ML too.)
> > 
> > Certainly, blank screen can indicate problems with graphics card...
> > 
> 
> If this is the case, using a lowres vga mode should solve the
> problem. It must be possible to pass "vga=ask" to the kernel line, and
> get a list of vga mode available. Just select a standard 80x25
> 
> However, it seems that the boot stops when the kernel tries to
> decompress the initrd, so technically speaking the screen is not blank
> (the user reported that he could see something before the boot
> stopped), so I would probably prefer to think that it's an issue with
> initrd...
> 
> My2Cents
> 
> KatolaZ

May perfectly be as you write, kind veteran Unix Admin.

However, I now remember I did have (well, on Gentoo, but it's the Unix
version of Gentoo, not the systemd version, and I remember often issues were 
similar
in Debian-based systems as in Gentoo)...

[I now remember I did have] blank screens with kernels 4.8 I think, not
the 4.9
(
sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-4.9.0 hangs at boot with blank screen
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=602614
),
so likely it wasn't that issue in that bug, the

https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-user=148167681011303=2
> ... CONFIG_VMAP_STACK... 
which appears only from the new kernel 4.9 .

But the boot didn't appear irregular, just the screen went blank, and I
lost all, keyboard, mouse, all, and there was no hard disk flashing at
all.

What did the
> (the user reported that he could see something before the boot
> stopped)
?

There are 7 or more emails of Emiliano, wasn't able to find it with a
quick search.

[I now remember I did have] blank screens with kernels 4.8 I think, and
the way I dealt with it, was, after resetting the machine, with the
hardware button, I unplugged it from the mains, and I let it be still
for 5 minutes (or was it more?)...

And I was able to get it to boot afterwards.

Just worth trying, maybe... Some issues with memory and swap could be
overcome that way.

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 08:14:25PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote:

[cut]

> 
> It's related with ATI cards, but with the newer kernel than yours, so...
> 
> (And there are some issues with some Nvidia cards on Gentoo users ML too.)
> 
> Certainly, blank screen can indicate problems with graphics card...
> 

If this is the case, using a lowres vga mode should solve the
problem. It must be possible to pass "vga=ask" to the kernel line, and
get a list of vga mode available. Just select a standard 80x25

However, it seems that the boot stops when the kernel tries to
decompress the initrd, so technically speaking the screen is not blank
(the user reported that he could see something before the boot
stopped), so I would probably prefer to think that it's an issue with
initrd...

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 161215-08:45-0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> I have updated my Devuan VM:
> 
> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
> 
> But it won't boot with Linux 4.7, I just get a blank screen right after the
> GRUB menu:

Just maybe related, in Gentoo-users there is an issue involving blank screen and
boot failure, here:

[gentoo-user] Gentoo-sources-4.9.0 
https://marc.info/?t=148164912800033=1=2

first message of that thred:
[gentoo-user] Gentoo-sources-4.9.0 
https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-user=148164897128870=2
reads:
> ... blank display and no booting activity ...

It's related with ATI cards, but with the newer kernel than yours, so...

(And there are some issues with some Nvidia cards on Gentoo users ML too.)

Certainly, blank screen can indicate problems with graphics card...

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Florian Zieboll]

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300
Emiliano Marini  wrote:

> I have updated my Devuan VM:
> 
> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
> 
> But it won't boot with Linux 4.7, I just get a blank screen right
> after the GRUB menu:

Hallo Emiliano,

did you look into the upgrade-log for any hints?
=> /var/log/apt/term.log

Did you chroot into the VM and try to re-run update-grub / grub-install
and update-initramfs?

Where do you get the 4.7 kernel package from?

libre Grüße,

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:26:22 +0100
Alessandro Selli  wrote:

> Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:34:25 -
> devuanfan...@use.startmail.com ha scritto:

> > Try removing the 'quiet' line, this should give you some output
> > when booting.  
> 
>   Speaking about which, I'd set this as a default GRUB setting.

I agree. Unlike Windows and several Linuces, my impression of Devuan is
that it prioritizes giving full information over giving the user a
calm, pretty boot.

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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Alessandro Selli]

Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:14:06 -0300
Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:

> Tried the 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae kernel (enabling PAE/NX in VirtualBox
> config) with same results.

  Did you try the debug option?


> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Alessandro Selli <
> alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote:
> 
> > Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:51:05 -0300
> > Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:
> >
> > > How could I check the logs if the kernel isn't loading? There is any way
> > to
> > > see GRUB logs besides removing the "quiet" option?
> >
> >   Try adding the debug option.
> >
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Tried the 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae kernel (enabling PAE/NX in VirtualBox
config) with same results.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Alessandro Selli <
alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote:

> Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:51:05 -0300
> Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:
>
> > How could I check the logs if the kernel isn't loading? There is any way
> to
> > see GRUB logs besides removing the "quiet" option?
>
>   Try adding the debug option.
>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Nothing,

I've got the same blank screen, with the not-blinking cursor on the top
left corner, after the "loading the initrd" message.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Alessandro Selli <
alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote:

> Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:51:05 -0300
> Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:
>
> > How could I check the logs if the kernel isn't loading? There is any way
> to
> > see GRUB logs besides removing the "quiet" option?
>
>   Try adding the debug option.
>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Alessandro Selli]

Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:51:05 -0300
Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:

> How could I check the logs if the kernel isn't loading? There is any way to
> see GRUB logs besides removing the "quiet" option?

  Try adding the debug option.


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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

How could I check the logs if the kernel isn't loading? There is any way to
see GRUB logs besides removing the "quiet" option?


Tried to reinstall that kernel image:

apt-get purgue linux-image-4.7.0
apt-get upgrade linux-image-686

Same kernel 4.7, nothing changed.

Thanks,
Emiliano.


On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Alessandro Selli  wrote:

> Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300
> Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:
>
> > What could possibly be wrong with the new kernel?
>
>   Please, check the logs of the failed boot.
>
>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Nothing,

Blank screen after the last grub's echo.

:(

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:34 AM,  wrote:

> From your screenshot edit of the grub command line:
> https://imgur.com/aSVp1UG
>
> Try removing the 'quiet' line, this should give you some output when
> booting.
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:58 PM, Alessandro Selli <
> alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote:
>
>
> Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300
> Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:
>
>
> What could possibly be wrong with the new kernel?
>
>
>  Please, check the logs of the failed boot.
>
>
>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Alessandro Selli]

Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:34:25 -
devuanfan...@use.startmail.com ha scritto:

> From your screenshot edit of the grub command line: 
> https://imgur.com/aSVp1UG
> 
> Try removing the 'quiet' line, this should give you some output when 
> booting.

  Speaking about which, I'd set this as a default GRUB setting.


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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

Thank you, I'll try this and see what happens.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:34 AM,  wrote:

> From your screenshot edit of the grub command line:
> https://imgur.com/aSVp1UG
>
> Try removing the 'quiet' line, this should give you some output when
> booting.
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:58 PM, Alessandro Selli <
> alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote:
>
>
> Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300
> Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:
>
>
> What could possibly be wrong with the new kernel?
>
>
>  Please, check the logs of the failed boot.
>
>
>
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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[devuanfanboy]

From your screenshot edit of the grub command line: 

https://imgur.com/aSVp1UG

Try removing the 'quiet' line, this should give you some output when 
booting.

 
On Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:58 PM, Alessandro Selli 
 wrote:

 

Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300
Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:
 

What could possibly be wrong with the new kernel?

 Please, check the logs of the failed boot.



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Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Alessandro Selli]

Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300
Emiliano Marini  ha scritto:

> What could possibly be wrong with the new kernel?

  Please, check the logs of the failed boot.



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[DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade

[Emiliano Marini]

I have updated my Devuan VM:

apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade

But it won't boot with Linux 4.7, I just get a blank screen right after the
GRUB menu:

http://imgur.com/7NCZitR

If I edit the GRUB line, it boots ok with Linux 4.6:

http://imgur.com/aSVp1UG

My /boot directory seems ok:

http://imgur.com/2hX9DPp

What could possibly be wrong with the new kernel?

Cheers,
Emiliano.
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