Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-15 Thread mett
On 2020年12月15日 22:43:20 JST, Brad Campbell via Dng  wrote:
>On 8/12/20 5:02 pm, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
>> I am still using dehydrated. It is a simple shell script which just
>> depends on curl, openssl and ca-certificates. There is an additional
>> package for apache2 support, which just contains the site
>configuration
>> for the web challenge thing, and one for DNS challenge.
>> 
>> I think there is an alternative to it, called acme.sh. I never looked
>> into it.
>
>I use acme.sh with dns challenges. Does what it says on the tin and 
>didn't need any complex deps.
>
>For the rest of the thread :
>  +1 mythic-beasts for co-lo and vps hosting and uf.r4l.com for domain 
>registration since 2006. I run my own dns servers though.
>
>I don't particularly like letsencrypt, but for installing certs to keep
>
>stuff happy it does the job for now. Most of my stuff uses self-signed 
>where I can get away with it.
>
>Brad
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Same here.
 Don t need to run it from server.   
Just a csr and copy the challenges 
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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-15 Thread Brad Campbell via Dng

On 8/12/20 5:02 pm, Martin Steigerwald wrote:


I am still using dehydrated. It is a simple shell script which just
depends on curl, openssl and ca-certificates. There is an additional
package for apache2 support, which just contains the site configuration
for the web challenge thing, and one for DNS challenge.

I think there is an alternative to it, called acme.sh. I never looked
into it.


I use acme.sh with dns challenges. Does what it says on the tin and 
didn't need any complex deps.


For the rest of the thread :
 +1 mythic-beasts for co-lo and vps hosting and uf.r4l.com for domain 
registration since 2006. I run my own dns servers though.


I don't particularly like letsencrypt, but for installing certs to keep 
stuff happy it does the job for now. Most of my stuff uses self-signed 
where I can get away with it.


Brad
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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-11 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):

> Good that that works for you.
> But for someone with attantion deficit, that couple of minutes a year is 
> difficult.

(1) Keep domains you care about registered with five years of runtime.
There really is not disadvantage worth mentioning.

(2) Run d-check as a weekly cron job to remind yourself of upcoming
domain registrations.
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/preventing-expiration.html
http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/network/

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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-11 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting wirelessduck--- via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):

> A good move to switch from godaddy. Doesn’t really matter where you
> switch to, but godaddy appear to be a seriously unethical company.
> 
> https://www.webpronews.com/godaddy-elephant-killing-nodaddy-venovix/
> https://www.wired.com/2007/01/godaddy-meet-no/

More:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110627205958/http://nodaddy.com/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/12/godaddy_shuts_down_nodaddy/
https://web.archive.org/web/20130310014102/http://asifali.me/post/42323712160/godaddy-deletes-my-domains-and-charges-me-to-restore

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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Bernard Rosset via Dng
Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am interested 
to hear how others are doing this.


Isolate the application in a trashable environment.
Cue containers.

That's what I did followed answers in the 'snapd in Devuan? Dependency 
on systemd' thread.

My host systems barely suffer from native packages' pollution anymore.

Bernard (Beer) Rosset
https://rosset.net/
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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 12:51:11PM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
...
> Given that it's only around £10, and only a couple of minutes to renew 
> once a year, I've just not had any particular pressure to change.

Good that that works for you.
But for someone with attantion deficit, that couple of minutes a year is 
difficult.

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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng


> On 8 Dec 2020, at 23:51, Simon Hobson  wrote:
> 
> At my last job, we used GoDaddy for certs - not sure how much was GoDaddy and 
> how much was my lack of experience, but it used to seem like a right PITA at 
> times. I switched to SSLMate for the (linux) systems I managed.

A good move to switch from godaddy. Doesn’t really matter where you switch to, 
but godaddy appear to be a seriously unethical company.

https://www.webpronews.com/godaddy-elephant-killing-nodaddy-venovix/

https://www.wired.com/2007/01/godaddy-meet-no/

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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Simon Hobson
Simon Walter  wrote:

> Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am interested to 
> hear how others are doing this.

I never got round to switching from using SSLMate - only $16/yr (equates to 
around £10/yr for me) for a basic (domain.tld + www.domain.tld) cert, but 
quickly gets expensive if you want more than that https://sslmate.com/pricing
They have a client script that will automatically renew and retrieve certs if 
you want to do that, or you can do it manually. TBH, once you've set up your 
services (the script will provide example config snippets on request), just 
getting updated is a matter of a couple of minutes every year. Given that it's 
only around £10, and only a couple of minutes to renew once a year, I've just 
not had any particular pressure to change.

At my last job, we used GoDaddy for certs - not sure how much was GoDaddy and 
how much was my lack of experience, but it used to seem like a right PITA at 
times. I switched to SSLMate for the (linux) systems I managed.

Oh yes, and when I have had any issues, they've been quite helpful and 
responsive.

Simon

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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Simon Walter - 08.12.20, 10:16:47 CET:
> On 12/8/20 6:02 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > […]
> > 
> >> Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am
> >> interested to hear how others are doing this.
> > 
> > I am still using dehydrated. It is a simple shell script which just
> > depends on curl, openssl and ca-certificates. There is an additional
> > package for apache2 support, which just contains the site
> > configuration for the web challenge thing, and one for DNS
> > challenge.
> > 
> > I think there is an alternative to it, called acme.sh. I never
> > looked
> > into it.
> > 
> > Aside from that there is a huge ton of other ACME clients in various
> > programming languages. AFAIR Let's Encrypt web page has a list.
> 
> I found it at: https://letsencrypt.org/docs/client-options/
> 
> Thank you so much. I actually don't need anything messing with my
> Apache configs. I just need automatic renewal. I will study the
> various clients on that page.

Then just install dehydrated base package.

Or use another client of your choice.

-- 
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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Daniel Abrecht via Dng

Am 2020-12-08 08:41, schrieb Simon Walter:

Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am
interested to hear how others are doing this.


Let's Encrypt has a list of various clients: 
https://letsencrypt.org/docs/client-options/


I'm using one I've written myself (and haven't bothered adding to the 
list yet): https://github.com/Daniel-Abrecht/DPA-ACME2
There currently only is a solver for dns-01 challenges for it, though. 
And I should probably move the solver to another

project/repo &  make some packages and such stuff.

It works pretty well overall, I didn't have any problems with it for a 
long time anymore. But if you put it in a cron job,
make sure to set up mail notifications so you know when it fails. And 
make sure not to use it around 0 UTC, the let's encrypt

servers tend to be overloaded and unreliable around that time.

I do think TLS is an awesome and important technology, but I do not like 
having to rely on yet another authority (the other one being DNS 
registrars)
to be able to operate a webpage and other services. This is why I have 
also set up DANE. If some day, browsers start to finally support DANE,
or free certificates become unavailable, I will immediately switch to 
self signed certificates (and keep DANE so they could still in theory 
get automatically validated).


Regards,
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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Simon Walter

On 12/8/20 6:02 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:

[…]

Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am
interested to hear how others are doing this.


I am still using dehydrated. It is a simple shell script which just
depends on curl, openssl and ca-certificates. There is an additional
package for apache2 support, which just contains the site configuration
for the web challenge thing, and one for DNS challenge.

I think there is an alternative to it, called acme.sh. I never looked
into it.

Aside from that there is a huge ton of other ACME clients in various
programming languages. AFAIR Let's Encrypt web page has a list.



I found it at: https://letsencrypt.org/docs/client-options/

Thank you so much. I actually don't need anything messing with my Apache 
configs. I just need automatic renewal. I will study the various clients 
on that page.


Best regards,

Simon

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Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Simon.

Simon Walter - 08.12.20, 09:41:15 CET:
> It is nice to see that there is instructions for Devuan at
> https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/devuanascii-apache and that they
> don't say to use snapd. However, what has certbot become?
> 
> I have yet to look at the source code, but there are a lot of
> dependencies:
> 
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>certbot python-certbot-apache python3-acme python3-augeas
[…]
> Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am
> interested to hear how others are doing this.

I am still using dehydrated. It is a simple shell script which just 
depends on curl, openssl and ca-certificates. There is an additional 
package for apache2 support, which just contains the site configuration 
for the web challenge thing, and one for DNS challenge.

I think there is an alternative to it, called acme.sh. I never looked 
into it.

Aside from that there is a huge ton of other ACME clients in various 
programming languages. AFAIR Let's Encrypt web page has a list.

Best,
-- 
Martin


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[DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Simon Walter
It is nice to see that there is instructions for Devuan at 
https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/devuanascii-apache and that they 
don't say to use snapd. However, what has certbot become?


I have yet to look at the source code, but there are a lot of dependencies:

The following NEW packages will be installed:
  certbot python-certbot-apache python3-acme python3-augeas 
python3-certbot python3-certbot-apache python3-cffi-backend 
python3-configargparse
  python3-configobj python3-cryptography python3-idna python3-josepy 
python3-mock python3-openssl python3-parsedatetime python3-pbr 
python3-pyasn1
  python3-requests-toolbelt python3-rfc3339 python3-setuptools 
python3-tz python3-zope.component python3-zope.event python3-zope.hookable

  python3-zope.interface

Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am interested 
to hear how others are doing this.


Best regards,

Simon
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