Re: [DNG] connecting to a chromebook (OT??)
Sorry, I copied/pasted when I should have cut/paste. I apologize. rod On 1/26/22 10:28 PM, Rod Rodolico via Dng wrote: > Ok, on my chromebook, under the Linux subsystem, I have a mac of > 00:16:3e:xx:xx:xx:xx > Which is the signature for a XenSource virtual MAC address. See > https://maclookup.app/search/result?mac=00%3A16%3A3e or > https://dnschecker.org/mac-lookup.php?query=00-16-3e > > This indicates to me that this is a virtual, which I verified by > apt -y install virt-what > > virt-what > > Which returned that it was running either lxc or kvm. I'm betting kvm. > > In this case, the virtual (the Linux subsystem) will be running under > something like libvirt, with the network in bridge mode, and the Linux > subsystem getting an IP from the DHCP server on that machine. So, your > mac and IP will not be visible to the outside. (I do a lot of > virtualization, BTW). Think of your Chromebook as a baby router. > > Your router can only set the IP on the chromebook, not the Linux > subsystem. If you open the browser to chrome://system, and go down to > ifconfig, then expand that, you'll see something like arc_ns0, arc_ns1, > etc... Those will all be in the range that ChromeOS is using for your > Linux subsystem. On my machine, arcbr0 is the actual bridge. Then, you > keep going down and, on my system, I find wlan0, which is the NIC for > the actual Chromebook. > > On 1/26/22 4:48 PM, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 1:04 PM Rod Rodolico via Dng >> wrote: >>> >>> FYI, I'm doing the same thing. I have spent some time setting up a >>> Chromebook "securely" (in theory), though mainly to access a Linux >>> Terminal Server over a VPN. >>> >>> First, are you using the built in Linux subsystem? When I bring up the >>> ChromeOS terminal (ctrl-alt-T, not the linux subsystem), the crosh >>> prompt does not have the ip or the ifconfig commands. However, when I >>> look at my network connection (via the GUI), I'm seeing an IP in my >>> network range. >> >> I have used the 'dev' mode and set up debian in it. >> Not used to pure command line (long ago Mac background spoiled me for >> that) so I'm trying to install a dual boot system. One issue is that the >> screen keyboard doesn't (on a Lenovo 10e (IIRC) chromebook anyway) >> have control and alt keys so that means there are some things that are >> too 'kinky' to do. >>> >>> I went ahead and installed the Linux subsystem again (I'm spending a lot >>> of time playing on it) and my IP for that is 10.115.92.205/28, so it >>> looks like the Linux subsystem is using using some kind of virtual IP, >>> similar to what virtlib does by default. >>> >> Well - - - the MAC address the machine gives is different than that at >> the router and the ip address at the router keeps changing - - argh! > > Ok, on my chromebook, under the Linux subsystem, I have a mac of > 00:16:3e:xx:xx:xx:xx > Which is the signature for a XenSource virtual MAC address. See > https://maclookup.app/search/result?mac=00%3A16%3A3e or > https://dnschecker.org/mac-lookup.php?query=00-16-3e > > This indicates to me that this is a virtual, which I verified by > apt -y install virt-what > > virt-what > > Which returned that it was running either lxc or kvm. I'm betting kvm. > > In this case, the virtual (the Linux subsystem) will be running under > something like libvirt, with the network in bridge mode, and the Linux > subsystem getting an IP from the DHCP server on that machine. So, your > mac and IP will not be visible to the outside. (I do a lot of > virtualization, BTW). Think of your Chromebook as a baby router. > > Your router can only set the IP on the chromebook, not the Linux > subsystem. If you open the browser to chrome://system, and go down to > ifconfig, then expand that, you'll see something like arc_ns0, arc_ns1, > etc... Those will all be in the range that ChromeOS is using for your > Linux subsystem. On my machine, arcbr0 is the actual bridge. Then, you > keep going down and, on my system, I find wlan0, which is the NIC for > the actual Chromebook. > >> I would like to use this thing for reading pdfs away from my desk but >> I'm not sure how to get things onto it. The expectation is that I'm going >> to use ms googly's drive or dropbox - - - no cottin pickin way!! to >> both. I use scp on my network but that means I need to know the ip >> address and be able to ssh into or out of it - - - I can't. >> The ssh port (#22 IIRC) is blocked - - - how's that for stupid. Likely >> everything is blocked but ms googly's stuff - - - that's the idea behind >> android anyway AFAIK - - - I'm not impressed. Although - - - if I really >> don't like this thing I think my wife might like it but then I wanted a >> tablet >> she's already got one (LOL)! > > I use the Nextcloud app to connect to my nextcloud instance. Works > pretty well. > > 1. However, I did install Ghost Commander, which is a Commander type app > that will do an SFTP connection. I used that to copy some
Re: [DNG] connecting to a chromebook (OT??)
Ok, on my chromebook, under the Linux subsystem, I have a mac of 00:16:3e:xx:xx:xx:xx Which is the signature for a XenSource virtual MAC address. See https://maclookup.app/search/result?mac=00%3A16%3A3e or https://dnschecker.org/mac-lookup.php?query=00-16-3e This indicates to me that this is a virtual, which I verified by apt -y install virt-what virt-what Which returned that it was running either lxc or kvm. I'm betting kvm. In this case, the virtual (the Linux subsystem) will be running under something like libvirt, with the network in bridge mode, and the Linux subsystem getting an IP from the DHCP server on that machine. So, your mac and IP will not be visible to the outside. (I do a lot of virtualization, BTW). Think of your Chromebook as a baby router. Your router can only set the IP on the chromebook, not the Linux subsystem. If you open the browser to chrome://system, and go down to ifconfig, then expand that, you'll see something like arc_ns0, arc_ns1, etc... Those will all be in the range that ChromeOS is using for your Linux subsystem. On my machine, arcbr0 is the actual bridge. Then, you keep going down and, on my system, I find wlan0, which is the NIC for the actual Chromebook. On 1/26/22 4:48 PM, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 1:04 PM Rod Rodolico via Dng > wrote: >> >> FYI, I'm doing the same thing. I have spent some time setting up a >> Chromebook "securely" (in theory), though mainly to access a Linux >> Terminal Server over a VPN. >> >> First, are you using the built in Linux subsystem? When I bring up the >> ChromeOS terminal (ctrl-alt-T, not the linux subsystem), the crosh >> prompt does not have the ip or the ifconfig commands. However, when I >> look at my network connection (via the GUI), I'm seeing an IP in my >> network range. > > I have used the 'dev' mode and set up debian in it. > Not used to pure command line (long ago Mac background spoiled me for > that) so I'm trying to install a dual boot system. One issue is that the > screen keyboard doesn't (on a Lenovo 10e (IIRC) chromebook anyway) > have control and alt keys so that means there are some things that are > too 'kinky' to do. >> >> I went ahead and installed the Linux subsystem again (I'm spending a lot >> of time playing on it) and my IP for that is 10.115.92.205/28, so it >> looks like the Linux subsystem is using using some kind of virtual IP, >> similar to what virtlib does by default. >> > Well - - - the MAC address the machine gives is different than that at > the router and the ip address at the router keeps changing - - argh! Ok, on my chromebook, under the Linux subsystem, I have a mac of 00:16:3e:xx:xx:xx:xx Which is the signature for a XenSource virtual MAC address. See https://maclookup.app/search/result?mac=00%3A16%3A3e or https://dnschecker.org/mac-lookup.php?query=00-16-3e This indicates to me that this is a virtual, which I verified by apt -y install virt-what virt-what Which returned that it was running either lxc or kvm. I'm betting kvm. In this case, the virtual (the Linux subsystem) will be running under something like libvirt, with the network in bridge mode, and the Linux subsystem getting an IP from the DHCP server on that machine. So, your mac and IP will not be visible to the outside. (I do a lot of virtualization, BTW). Think of your Chromebook as a baby router. Your router can only set the IP on the chromebook, not the Linux subsystem. If you open the browser to chrome://system, and go down to ifconfig, then expand that, you'll see something like arc_ns0, arc_ns1, etc... Those will all be in the range that ChromeOS is using for your Linux subsystem. On my machine, arcbr0 is the actual bridge. Then, you keep going down and, on my system, I find wlan0, which is the NIC for the actual Chromebook. > I would like to use this thing for reading pdfs away from my desk but > I'm not sure how to get things onto it. The expectation is that I'm going > to use ms googly's drive or dropbox - - - no cottin pickin way!! to > both. I use scp on my network but that means I need to know the ip > address and be able to ssh into or out of it - - - I can't. > The ssh port (#22 IIRC) is blocked - - - how's that for stupid. Likely > everything is blocked but ms googly's stuff - - - that's the idea behind > android anyway AFAIK - - - I'm not impressed. Although - - - if I really > don't like this thing I think my wife might like it but then I wanted a tablet > she's already got one (LOL)! I use the Nextcloud app to connect to my nextcloud instance. Works pretty well. 1. However, I did install Ghost Commander, which is a Commander type app that will do an SFTP connection. I used that to copy some files locally. 2. Additionally, if you open the ChromeOS File Manager, open the three dots in the upper right, then go to Services, you'll see the ability to make a connection to an SMB File Share, if that is an option. 3. Or, do what I finally broke down and did. I picked up a 256G
Re: [DNG] connecting to a chromebook (OT??)
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 1:04 PM Rod Rodolico via Dng wrote: > > FYI, I'm doing the same thing. I have spent some time setting up a > Chromebook "securely" (in theory), though mainly to access a Linux > Terminal Server over a VPN. > > First, are you using the built in Linux subsystem? When I bring up the > ChromeOS terminal (ctrl-alt-T, not the linux subsystem), the crosh > prompt does not have the ip or the ifconfig commands. However, when I > look at my network connection (via the GUI), I'm seeing an IP in my > network range. I have used the 'dev' mode and set up debian in it. Not used to pure command line (long ago Mac background spoiled me for that) so I'm trying to install a dual boot system. One issue is that the screen keyboard doesn't (on a Lenovo 10e (IIRC) chromebook anyway) have control and alt keys so that means there are some things that are too 'kinky' to do. > > I went ahead and installed the Linux subsystem again (I'm spending a lot > of time playing on it) and my IP for that is 10.115.92.205/28, so it > looks like the Linux subsystem is using using some kind of virtual IP, > similar to what virtlib does by default. > Well - - - the MAC address the machine gives is different than that at the router and the ip address at the router keeps changing - - argh! I would like to use this thing for reading pdfs away from my desk but I'm not sure how to get things onto it. The expectation is that I'm going to use ms googly's drive or dropbox - - - no cottin pickin way!! to both. I use scp on my network but that means I need to know the ip address and be able to ssh into or out of it - - - I can't. The ssh port (#22 IIRC) is blocked - - - how's that for stupid. Likely everything is blocked but ms googly's stuff - - - that's the idea behind android anyway AFAIK - - - I'm not impressed. Although - - - if I really don't like this thing I think my wife might like it but then I wanted a tablet she's already got one (LOL)! Thanks for the tips!! Regards ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] connecting to a chromebook (OT??)
FYI, I'm doing the same thing. I have spent some time setting up a Chromebook "securely" (in theory), though mainly to access a Linux Terminal Server over a VPN. First, are you using the built in Linux subsystem? When I bring up the ChromeOS terminal (ctrl-alt-T, not the linux subsystem), the crosh prompt does not have the ip or the ifconfig commands. However, when I look at my network connection (via the GUI), I'm seeing an IP in my network range. I went ahead and installed the Linux subsystem again (I'm spending a lot of time playing on it) and my IP for that is 10.115.92.205/28, so it looks like the Linux subsystem is using using some kind of virtual IP, similar to what virtlib does by default. Rod On 1/26/22 8:24 AM, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > Greetings > > If this is too far off topic - - - please advise. > > Just got myself a chromebook - - - - lots of hoopla la about tablets > and though I'd try one. > Its a fairly brain dead POS so I'm trying to find ways to make it useful! > > So I go into the terminal ad do ifconfig and ip a and what I'm > getting is a weird ip address. > > My routher is at 192.168.1.1 and all my other hardware is visible there. > The chromebook says it is at 100.115.92.204/28. > > How did it get there? > > How is it connecting to and through the router? > Chromebook docs seem very light - - - hugely the 'trust us' modus - - > - which means that I don't. > > I am wanting to use this thing to read pdf's when not at my computer > (ie lunch or other such times). > > Not even sure what to do - - - ideas/suggestions - - please? > > TIA > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Rod Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 US https://dailydata.net 214.827.2170 ext 100 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] connecting to a chromebook (OT??)
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 8:31 AM Antony Stone wrote: > > On Wednesday 26 January 2022 at 15:24:35, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > > > Greetings > > > > If this is too far off topic - - - please advise. > > It's not on-topic, but I'm pretty sure people will try to advise :) > > > Just got myself a chromebook > > > My routher is at 192.168.1.1 and all my other hardware is visible there. > > The chromebook says it is at 100.115.92.204/28. > > > > How did it get there? > > That range is reserved by IANA for certain types of connectivity providers; > maybe yours is one of them. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4#Special-use_addresses I had looked there and had noted that the ip address fell into that range - - - - but - - - - > > > How is it connecting to and through the router? > > Well, *IS* it connecting through the router? Can you access Internet websites > or log in to thing by SSH etc? Its using a wireless connection from the router. Yes - - - access the weather report so connectivity is there. > > What does "route -n" tell you? route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask more 0.0.0.0 100.115.92.1930.0.0.0 100.115.92.1920.0.0.0 255.255.255.240 > thought I'd check if I was connected by IP address - - meant I had to know the MAC address of the puppy. Supposedly you do chrome://system in the browser - - except that didn't work - - got me some fluff page. Then there was the suggestion that you find your hardware page at the log in. That also wasn't as depicted. Found a page listed as diagnostics - - - there I found listed a BSSID: but it doesn't match what my router table has !!! Included was an IP address which does fit on my router - - - so I was able to find the address - - - - what an ordeal. Seems like the machine was only made to be run and controlled from afar - - - pity. Might be a decent tool otherwise! (Touch keyboard doesn't have Control or Alt keys so need to find a different touch keyboard or add a bluetooth keyboard - - - I may do both.) Thanks for the tools - - - - I wouldn't have gotten things done without the help Regards ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] connecting to a chromebook (OT??)
On Wednesday 26 January 2022 at 15:24:35, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > Greetings > > If this is too far off topic - - - please advise. It's not on-topic, but I'm pretty sure people will try to advise :) > Just got myself a chromebook > My routher is at 192.168.1.1 and all my other hardware is visible there. > The chromebook says it is at 100.115.92.204/28. > > How did it get there? That range is reserved by IANA for certain types of connectivity providers; maybe yours is one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4#Special-use_addresses > How is it connecting to and through the router? Well, *IS* it connecting through the router? Can you access Internet websites or log in to thing by SSH etc? What does "route -n" tell you? Antony. -- This space intentionally has nothing but text explaining why this space has nothing but text explaining that this space would otherwise have been left blank, and would otherwise have been left blank. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] connecting to a chromebook (OT??)
Greetings If this is too far off topic - - - please advise. Just got myself a chromebook - - - - lots of hoopla la about tablets and though I'd try one. Its a fairly brain dead POS so I'm trying to find ways to make it useful! So I go into the terminal ad do ifconfig and ip a and what I'm getting is a weird ip address. My routher is at 192.168.1.1 and all my other hardware is visible there. The chromebook says it is at 100.115.92.204/28. How did it get there? How is it connecting to and through the router? Chromebook docs seem very light - - - hugely the 'trust us' modus - - - which means that I don't. I am wanting to use this thing to read pdf's when not at my computer (ie lunch or other such times). Not even sure what to do - - - ideas/suggestions - - please? TIA ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
