Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists
Доброго времени суток, Renaud. Спасибо за ответ, Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:07:23 -0300, вы писали: Usspookes Lovesystemd usspookslovesyste...@muchomail.com wrote: FUCK YOU Qu'en termes gracieux ces choses là sont dites... Just filter out the non-human! С уважением, Ста. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists
Talking about something else, it seems that the list is becoming two-fold. On one hand, it becomes concentrated on development, while at the same time it discusses more philosophical issues. Maybe is it the moment to separate into a dev list and a users list? Nope. I think both being together is a strength, not a weekness. It's a way for developers to be in tune with what the (less techicaly inclined) users need/want, and for the users to receive some developer sensibility via osmosis. Or something like that. Just my 0.2 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists
On 02/12/2015 06:35 AM, Jaromil wrote: However we have started setting up a listserver with some volunteers and soon or later decisions will be made. Perhaps the first list to be born should one to discuss on how to structure the communication architecture? *** I think we have it already: here :) My take on this is very simple: if we don't need it, we don't do it. When we need it, we try not to do it, for organic alternate solutions to emerge, or for the bubble to break and the problem to fade away. If the problem sticks around, then we have a real problem to tackle. Until then, it's just wasting time. Sooner or later, we end up dead, better not create problems that don't exist, we already have our plates full IMHO. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] About separate mailing lists
Hi all, Devuan Weekly News XI posed the following question: == Talking about something else, it seems that the list is becoming two-fold. On one hand, it becomes concentrated on development, while at the same time it discusses more philosophical issues. Maybe is it the moment to separate into a dev list and a users list? == In my opinion, maybe there should be two lists, but the split shouldn't be along user/developer lines, nor should it be along coding/philosophical lines. Developers develop for users, and philosophy is the foundation of code. The Debian project strictly enforced this type of separation, and the silly CTTE decision was the result. Debian devs stopped listening to their users, their users forked their project, and now Debian might be superceded by Devuan. We don't want Devuan to go down that path. Maybe (or maybe not) we should make a new list for people (like me) who want to continue making wisecracks about systemd, along with trolls who want to say good things about systemd on Devuan lists. Given that the absense of systemd in Devuan is settled law, neither of these kinds of posts is relevant to the project's development, so nobody would suffer if they were kept off the main list. Summarizing the most important point I'm trying to make: In my opinion separating philosophy and legitimate and reasonable user preference discussions from coding discussions would be a big mistake. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:59:03AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: Devuan Weekly News XI posed the following question: == Talking about something else, it seems that the list is becoming two-fold. On one hand, it becomes concentrated on development, while at the same time it discusses more philosophical issues. Maybe is it the moment to separate into a dev list and a users list? == Weighing in a bit: Separation of a mailing list (or any other community tool) should be considered when said tool becomes too hard to manage. dng is not even lkml yet, separating it into several mailing lists would drastically slow discussions down and unnecessarily split people up. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:53:01 -0800 Usspookes Lovesystemd usspookslovesyste...@muchomail.com wrote: FUCK YOU Qu'en termes gracieux ces choses là sont dites... Cheers, Ron. -- Animals can be driven crazy by putting too many in too small a pen. Homo sapiens is the only animal that voluntarily does this to himself. -- Lazarus Long -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists
I am not a dev at devuan but wants to have an ear in on what's going on Would not be interested at all in user mailing list. Have had enough of flame fights regarding systemd Did contribute money to the cause On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Jack L. Frost f...@fleshless.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:59:03AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: Devuan Weekly News XI posed the following question: == Talking about something else, it seems that the list is becoming two-fold. On one hand, it becomes concentrated on development, while at the same time it discusses more philosophical issues. Maybe is it the moment to separate into a dev list and a users list? == Weighing in a bit: Separation of a mailing list (or any other community tool) should be considered when said tool becomes too hard to manage. dng is not even lkml yet, separating it into several mailing lists would drastically slow discussions down and unnecessarily split people up. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:53:01AM -0800, Usspookes Lovesystemd wrote: Devuan is all about talk and process, nothing's been release, and you people pooh pooh longstanding useful security tools. You don't know what you're doing, except in the realm of rolling some euros into a blunt to smoke. So why not split the list up before you even have anything to show for it? I mean it's process and debate, the only thing you all are good at. Fuck you Jack L. Frost. Fuck you for spitting on a good post-install script that has served us since 2001 known as Bastille-Linux. Fuck you for saying it will never work when it HAS worked for 14 years up untill Debian broke compatability with TK and perl! Ah OK, I see then: you are a troll. Sorry guys. Shame over me. Won't do that again :D Best -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
