Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before
On 03/04/15 05:07, Gravis wrote: > > no way, the first has to be dedicated to Lennart! just think > *** Someone already coined a term to remove dependencies on his code: depoetterizing. This is not a cult to Lennart P. Just think again. Lenny is a past release, but Devuan is not looking back. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before
> As we have such naming and as "where no toy has gone before" is so close > to a citation, can i suggest/hope that we can dedicate Jessie to Leonard > Nimoy? no way, the first has to be dedicated to Lennart! just think, without our pal lenny, none of us would have ever met and many programs (including init systems) would never have been created! steamrolling distros with SystemDeutschland has forced people to create new systems to avoid it's evergrowing reach and we will be better off because of it. basically, he finds small issues, makes a solution that becomes such a large problem that it forces people to make new and better solutions. it's like you have a wall and you always meant to put in a window and when lenny puts a gapping hole in the wall and covers it with saran wrap and declares he's installed a window, you realize you gotta fix that wall and you might as well put in a nice window too. :) --Gravis On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Franco Lanza wrote: > On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 04:19:06AM -0300, hellekin wrote: >> ## Editorial >> >> It's hard to believe it's winter when you have to mop the sweat out of >> your keyboard, but the intensity of this week's conversations, and >> @golinux's [penguins][0] made thinking about cold easier. Cold reigns >> in deep space as well and Devuan users will appreciate the identity >> moving away from toyland: although Debian Jessie refers to an >> adventurous toy cowgirl with an attitude, Devuan's Jessie refers to a >> place no toy has ever gone before. Exit the naughty `Sid` brat, >> welcome `Ceres`, largest object in the asteroid belt, and the first >> minor planet discovered in the 19th Century. That's right, [Devuan >> release codenames][1] will be named after minor planets of our solar >> system. As far as visual identity goes, and although the logo still >> consumes a significant bit of attention, it won't be revealed before >> the code: part of the distro's publishing policy is to deliver working >> code before a shiny image. Welcome to Issue XIV of the DWN, cooked >> _al dente_ by your interim editor, @hellekin, with the invaluable help >> of @golinux and @joerg_rw. >> > > > Thanks hellekin and all DWN contributors, > with this editorial you made my day, i love it :D > > As we have such naming and as "where no toy has gone before" is so close > to a citation, can i suggest/hope that we can dedicate Jessie to Leonard > Nimoy? > > -- > > Franco (nextime) Lanza > Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy > SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it > web: http://www.nexlab.net > > NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org > you can download my public key at: > http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers > Key ID = D6132D50 > Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 > --- > echo > 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq > | dc > --- > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before
On Tue, 3/3/15, Franco Lanza wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before To: "dng" Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015, 8:41 PM > > Thanks hellekin and all DWN contributors, > with this editorial you made my day, i love it :D > > As we have such naming and as "where no toy has gone before" is so close > to a citation, can i suggest/hope that we can dedicate Jessie to Leonard > Nimoy? > A dedication to Leonard Nimoy? Not only a wonderful tribute but an opportunity for devuan to get some good press around the launch. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before
On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 04:19:06AM -0300, hellekin wrote: > ## Editorial > > It's hard to believe it's winter when you have to mop the sweat out of > your keyboard, but the intensity of this week's conversations, and > @golinux's [penguins][0] made thinking about cold easier. Cold reigns > in deep space as well and Devuan users will appreciate the identity > moving away from toyland: although Debian Jessie refers to an > adventurous toy cowgirl with an attitude, Devuan's Jessie refers to a > place no toy has ever gone before. Exit the naughty `Sid` brat, > welcome `Ceres`, largest object in the asteroid belt, and the first > minor planet discovered in the 19th Century. That's right, [Devuan > release codenames][1] will be named after minor planets of our solar > system. As far as visual identity goes, and although the logo still > consumes a significant bit of attention, it won't be revealed before > the code: part of the distro's publishing policy is to deliver working > code before a shiny image. Welcome to Issue XIV of the DWN, cooked > _al dente_ by your interim editor, @hellekin, with the invaluable help > of @golinux and @joerg_rw. > Thanks hellekin and all DWN contributors, with this editorial you made my day, i love it :D As we have such naming and as "where no toy has gone before" is so close to a citation, can i suggest/hope that we can dedicate Jessie to Leonard Nimoy? -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before
Good work, hellekin! On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 7:19 AM, hellekin wrote: > ### [Beware The Red Hat Octopus][25] > > Steven W. Scott warns against Red Hat's way, comparing systemd with > Microsoft's failed attempt to supplant Sun's Java. (Is there a Godwin > point for mentioning M$?) He offers to chainsaw the octopus' > tentacles. It'll get even more interesting when Red Hat and Oracle merge. Oh, it'll happen... Cheers, Nuno ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before
hi Sisyphus, On Wed, 04 Mar 2015, sisyphus wrote: > Question: Is there an rss feed with which to follow the "Devuan > Weekly News" ? For those of us who rely on newsbeuter... yes http://lists.devuan.org/dwn/atom.xml just being setted up these days, unfortunately due to some adjustements it got a duplicate on the last issue, but I guess we can ignore that for the moment, also because the issue reads really good :^) ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before
Question: Is there an rss feed with which to follow the "Devuan Weekly News" ? For those of us who rely on newsbeuter... -grant ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before
Minor correction: I should point out that Linus was mad at Kay Sievers for breaking udev, and then blaming the kernel's firmware loader. The breakage didn't have anything to do with kdbus, as far as I know (which is what I was trying to clarify in the first place--Linus and Kay weren't fighting about anything related to kdbus or systemd integration). -Jude On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:19 AM, hellekin wrote: > # Devuan Weekly News Issue XIV > > __Volume 002, Week 9, Devuan Week 14__ > > Released 03/03/12015 [HE](why-he) > > > https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-02/issue-014 > > ## Editorial > > It's hard to believe it's winter when you have to mop the sweat out of > your keyboard, but the intensity of this week's conversations, and > @golinux's [penguins][0] made thinking about cold easier. Cold reigns > in deep space as well and Devuan users will appreciate the identity > moving away from toyland: although Debian Jessie refers to an > adventurous toy cowgirl with an attitude, Devuan's Jessie refers to a > place no toy has ever gone before. Exit the naughty `Sid` brat, > welcome `Ceres`, largest object in the asteroid belt, and the first > minor planet discovered in the 19th Century. That's right, [Devuan > release codenames][1] will be named after minor planets of our solar > system. As far as visual identity goes, and although the logo still > consumes a significant bit of attention, it won't be revealed before > the code: part of the distro's publishing policy is to deliver working > code before a shiny image. Welcome to Issue XIV of the DWN, cooked > _al dente_ by your interim editor, @hellekin, with the invaluable help > of @golinux and @joerg_rw. > > ## Last Week in Devuan > > ### [Debian Problems with Jessie][2] > > T.J.Duchene advises not to bring "Debian mud" to the list: "Devuan > does not need to justify its own existence." Here comes the largest > thread this week: a swashbuckling introspective and speculative bubble > visiting what's wrong with collective creation of software. (It all > started with _Simple Backgrounds_, go figure.) > > ### [Three Important UI Features][3] > > Last week Jonathan Wilkes introduced the idea of improving the > features for the default devuan desktop. Wolfgang Pirker proposes two > solutions for the "find apps as you type" #2 feature. Feature #3 > "menu on the Super key" can be addressed with `dmenu`. A consensual > voice raises in favor of Xfce as the default desktop environment (DE), > which comes with its own implementation equivalent to what dmenu > provides. > > In passing, for your hacker jeopardy, here's a funky compiler flag in > `Enlightenment` that will probably break the layout of many screen > applications displaying this: > > `--enable-i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-that-this-will-probably-break-things-and-i-will-fix-them-myself-and-send-patches-aba`. > > ### [Xfce Desktop Environment in Devuan][4] > > As `Xfce 4.12` was released this week on the 28th of February, it was > also chosen to become the default DE in Devuan, which makes it the > first _non-systemd_ difference between cowgirl Jessie and planet > Jessie. David Harrison talked with the Xfce team, and @jaromil > confirms existing coordination and good terms between Devuan and Xfce. > > ### [Logind Alternative][5] > > Oz Tiram introduces the `ConsoleKit2` fork that does not depend on > `systemd-logind`. Svante Signell offers to package it for Devuan. > Dima Krasner reminds that "ConsoleKit2 was already packaged by Max, > but we don't need it in the Jessie cycle because the logind dependency > was dropped from all packages." > > ### [Simple Backgrounds][6] > > Hendrik Boom is concerned not to delay the first release for designing > the project's visual identity (and he's right). As @jaromil puts it: > "Devuan is sugar-free and doesn't makes your computer fat :^)" See the > > > editorial. > > ### More of Devuan Logo > > Discussions abound regarding the potential Devuan logo. Linuxito > announces a [graphical version of the survey][7], warning that it's > informative, and Anto notes that a logo without matching text "would > look strange". In [another thread][8], Hendrik Boom suggests using > the Milky Way as the basis for the logo (that was before the release > code names were announced, but it was in the air). Tzu-Pei Chen shows > that a single-arm spiral galaxy exists, which Hendrik qualifies as > "debian galaxy", leaving the interpretation of the comment's depth to > the astute reader. Neo Futur engages in the [philosophy of KISS][9]. > > ### The Valentine <3 Pre-Release Support > > More people come with feedback over the Valentine Pre-Release ISO. > Please [report any issue][10] with this release so the team can ensure > > > these are gone in the next batch. John Morris reports [quite a few > issues][11], some of them coming from Debian Installer itself. His > verdict: "most problems were fixable and process 1 is init > so Winning!
[Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before
# Devuan Weekly News Issue XIV __Volume 002, Week 9, Devuan Week 14__ Released 03/03/12015 [HE](why-he) https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-02/issue-014 ## Editorial It's hard to believe it's winter when you have to mop the sweat out of your keyboard, but the intensity of this week's conversations, and @golinux's [penguins][0] made thinking about cold easier. Cold reigns in deep space as well and Devuan users will appreciate the identity moving away from toyland: although Debian Jessie refers to an adventurous toy cowgirl with an attitude, Devuan's Jessie refers to a place no toy has ever gone before. Exit the naughty `Sid` brat, welcome `Ceres`, largest object in the asteroid belt, and the first minor planet discovered in the 19th Century. That's right, [Devuan release codenames][1] will be named after minor planets of our solar system. As far as visual identity goes, and although the logo still consumes a significant bit of attention, it won't be revealed before the code: part of the distro's publishing policy is to deliver working code before a shiny image. Welcome to Issue XIV of the DWN, cooked _al dente_ by your interim editor, @hellekin, with the invaluable help of @golinux and @joerg_rw. ## Last Week in Devuan ### [Debian Problems with Jessie][2] T.J.Duchene advises not to bring "Debian mud" to the list: "Devuan does not need to justify its own existence." Here comes the largest thread this week: a swashbuckling introspective and speculative bubble visiting what's wrong with collective creation of software. (It all started with _Simple Backgrounds_, go figure.) ### [Three Important UI Features][3] Last week Jonathan Wilkes introduced the idea of improving the features for the default devuan desktop. Wolfgang Pirker proposes two solutions for the "find apps as you type" #2 feature. Feature #3 "menu on the Super key" can be addressed with `dmenu`. A consensual voice raises in favor of Xfce as the default desktop environment (DE), which comes with its own implementation equivalent to what dmenu provides. In passing, for your hacker jeopardy, here's a funky compiler flag in `Enlightenment` that will probably break the layout of many screen applications displaying this: `--enable-i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-that-this-will-probably-break-things-and-i-will-fix-them-myself-and-send-patches-aba`. ### [Xfce Desktop Environment in Devuan][4] As `Xfce 4.12` was released this week on the 28th of February, it was also chosen to become the default DE in Devuan, which makes it the first _non-systemd_ difference between cowgirl Jessie and planet Jessie. David Harrison talked with the Xfce team, and @jaromil confirms existing coordination and good terms between Devuan and Xfce. ### [Logind Alternative][5] Oz Tiram introduces the `ConsoleKit2` fork that does not depend on `systemd-logind`. Svante Signell offers to package it for Devuan. Dima Krasner reminds that "ConsoleKit2 was already packaged by Max, but we don't need it in the Jessie cycle because the logind dependency was dropped from all packages." ### [Simple Backgrounds][6] Hendrik Boom is concerned not to delay the first release for designing the project's visual identity (and he's right). As @jaromil puts it: "Devuan is sugar-free and doesn't makes your computer fat :^)" See the editorial. ### More of Devuan Logo Discussions abound regarding the potential Devuan logo. Linuxito announces a [graphical version of the survey][7], warning that it's informative, and Anto notes that a logo without matching text "would look strange". In [another thread][8], Hendrik Boom suggests using the Milky Way as the basis for the logo (that was before the release code names were announced, but it was in the air). Tzu-Pei Chen shows that a single-arm spiral galaxy exists, which Hendrik qualifies as "debian galaxy", leaving the interpretation of the comment's depth to the astute reader. Neo Futur engages in the [philosophy of KISS][9]. ### The Valentine <3 Pre-Release Support More people come with feedback over the Valentine Pre-Release ISO. Please [report any issue][10] with this release so the team can ensure these are gone in the next batch. John Morris reports [quite a few issues][11], some of them coming from Debian Installer itself. His verdict: "most problems were fixable and process 1 is init so Winning!" Hendrik Boom plans [to install Valentine pre-alpha on real hardware][12]. So far he got the hardware to boot from USB using the `isohybrid` method as `dd` would not work, but got stuck with manual partitioning: the disk seems not to offer a safe option to [preserve existing partitions][13]. He also mentions a long-standing but minor bug in debootstrap that prevents Debian from offering multiple inits. Svante Signell narrows down the issue to Debian bug #668001, and a maintainer refusing to include the patch in Jessie. Hint: that patch _will_ be in Devuan Jessie. Hendrik also ha
