Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
Thanks, I ended up finding that the following command works for my case: jackd -T -ndefault -dalsa -dhw:1,3 after doing aplay -l which gave List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: CS4206 Analog [CS4206 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: CS4206 Digital [CS4206 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 and 1,3 is card 1, device 3 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
Thanks for this info,it got me further with Jack than I ever have gotten before! Do you have any tips on how to route jack sound to an hdmi output? (The outp u t works with raw alsa) On January 23, 2015 12:33:21 PM EST, Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Guys, in the past I've tried to get Jack running about four or five times, and never succeeded. This included the sound studio version of Ubuntu. I'm sure that Jack is perfect for the dedicated sound enthusiast, but for the average guy, Jack just might be the only thing that could cause more failure than Pulse. Jack is very, very complicated. Steve, I think you confuse your bad luck in getting started with Jack being complicated. If you have ALSA working, and Pulse Audio is not running, it is very simple to get sound from Jack. 1) start jackd 2) test play some sound, e.g. ecasound -i test.wav -o jack,system Having JACK serve transparently as the back end with ALSA or Pulse Audio virtual devices available for client programs *is* more complicated. Jack is most useful in music production, when you want to connect multiple audio applications together. I don't run it for routine listening, but you can, if your applications support it or you use some compatibility layer over it. Will be happy to help you, if you need it. Just post to the appropriate list. Linux Audio User is the best. Cheers, Joel SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
Steve Litt wrote: Guys, in the past I've tried to get Jack running about four or five times, and never succeeded. This included the sound studio version of Ubuntu. I'm sure that Jack is perfect for the dedicated sound enthusiast, but for the average guy, Jack just might be the only thing that could cause more failure than Pulse. Jack is very, very complicated. Steve, I think you confuse your bad luck in getting started with Jack being complicated. If you have ALSA working, and Pulse Audio is not running, it is very simple to get sound from Jack. 1) start jackd 2) test play some sound, e.g. ecasound -i test.wav -o jack,system Having JACK serve transparently as the back end with ALSA or Pulse Audio virtual devices available for client programs *is* more complicated. Jack is most useful in music production, when you want to connect multiple audio applications together. I don't run it for routine listening, but you can, if your applications support it or you use some compatibility layer over it. Will be happy to help you, if you need it. Just post to the appropriate list. Linux Audio User is the best. Cheers, Joel SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
Hi Sean: I would love to see jack as a default or as an optional package with sane defaults. If pulse is really needed,it works as a jack client. I have to kill -9 pulse frequently as it leaks badly and won't die; jack only goes crazy when I misconfigure it. I would love to to have Jack as default. I use it in my personal computer and it works like a charm. With the application Cadence I configured bridges from alsa and pulseaudio to pass all the sound to Jack. Apulse solution would be better I suppose. For avoiding pulseaudio respawn edit /etc/pulse/client.conf uncomment (delete the semicolon) line ; autospawn = yes and change it to now. Now if you kill pulseaudio with command: pulseaudio -k It won't respawn. -- Agur: Javier Ortega Conde (Malkavian) Miembro de Club de Go de Bilbao (GoBi) http://gobi.webnode.es Miembro del Grupo de LinUxuarios de Bizkaia, Eghost, Itsas, Aske... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
On 2015-01-23 10:16, Javier Ortega Conde (Malkavian) wrote: Hi Sean: I would love to see jack as a default or as an optional package with sane defaults. If pulse is really needed,it works as a jack client. I have to kill -9 pulse frequently as it leaks badly and wont die; You mean it's leaking memory? Is there a bug filed against PA for this? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:16:08 +0100 Javier Ortega Conde (Malkavian) malkavian...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sean: I would love to see jack as a default or as an optional package with sane defaults. If pulse is really needed,it works as a jack client. I have to kill -9 pulse frequently as it leaks badly and won't die; jack only goes crazy when I misconfigure it. I would love to to have Jack as default. I use it in my personal computer and it works like a charm. Guys, in the past I've tried to get Jack running about four or five times, and never succeeded. This included the sound studio version of Ubuntu. I'm sure that Jack is perfect for the dedicated sound enthusiast, but for the average guy, Jack just might be the only thing that could cause more failure than Pulse. Jack is very, very complicated. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
On 12/25/2014 9:15 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: Can you guys believe this: A Desktop with 6G of RAM running Ubuntu 14.10 with systemd + pulseaudio: USER PID %CPU *_%MEM_*VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND userzyx 25830 0.3 *_75.0_* 6171772 4487884 ? Sl Dez16 46:11 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog Pulseaudio is consuming *_75% of my RAM MEMORY!!!_* WTF IS THIS THING??!!! And I'm not playing a single music! Let's play devil's advocate for just a moment. Don't misunderstand me. I'm all for hating crappy code, but let's hate with good reason and precision. Why are you comparing metrics on an unstable version of the OS? Ubuntu clearly states that the non-LTS releases are intended for developers and early adopters only. You will have bugs when you use a version of the OS that isn't properly vetted and released every 6 months, come what may. The cause of this issue could be anything, including the underlying ALSA stack, or a library that PA is linked to, maybe even memory pages requested by your DE interface to PA. Do you have actual evidence that PA is the real culprit, say a stack trace? I remember at least one case of where I traced audio problems, not to PA, but a bad codec used by gstreamer. I still do not believe that Debian was taken over by the shit that come out of Lennart / RedHat (sorry about the bad words). And the Linux community will put almost all the eggs into the systemd basket!! For God's sake, what a fuck is wrong with those people??? Well, I really don't care anymore, we have Devuan! YAY!^_^ Before you blame Poettering or RedHat you should make sure that they are actually to blame for your problem. To my knowledge, Poettering doesn't work on PA as much these days. I was trusting my professional life on Debian team and now, this crap... The good of open source is that we have the power to make forks... Whew! Ubuntu is not Debian. Not by a long shot. Ubuntu is a version of Debian Unstable, which should never be used on serious work. Lets include apulse and also, jackd. And _kick_ pulseaudio alongside with systemd. Honestly, I don't even care anymore about systemd, neither as an option, it is impossible to trust on this thing, because of Lennart past projects (and obvious, because of systemd terrible / creepy architecture). I still open to uselessd + new udev, if it make easier to keep compatibility with upstream Debian while we need to keep syncing with it. Also, I like the idea of CGroup Process, if uselessd can achieve that (i.e, control/isolate process using Linux CGroups), then, it is a great thing! There are space for a new Init System and systemd is NOT it. Dropping code because of the dislike one person without making sure that you can build your entire tree first without it, is not a sensible thing to do. It is not in the best interests of users. Happy new year! :-) Likewise! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
You're absolutely right!! I'm sorry... And I got it... Happy new year!! On 26 December 2014 at 15:58, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/25/2014 9:15 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: Can you guys believe this: A Desktop with 6G of RAM running Ubuntu 14.10 with systemd + pulseaudio: USER PID %CPU *%MEM*VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND userzyx 25830 0.3*75.0* 6171772 4487884 ? Sl Dez16 46:11 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog Pulseaudio is consuming *75% of my RAM MEMORY!!!* WTF IS THIS THING??!!! And I'm not playing a single music! Let's play devil's advocate for just a moment. Don't misunderstand me. I'm all for hating crappy code, but let's hate with good reason and precision. Why are you comparing metrics on an unstable version of the OS? Ubuntu clearly states that the non-LTS releases are intended for developers and early adopters only. You will have bugs when you use a version of the OS that isn't properly vetted and released every 6 months, come what may. The cause of this issue could be anything, including the underlying ALSA stack, or a library that PA is linked to, maybe even memory pages requested by your DE interface to PA. Do you have actual evidence that PA is the real culprit, say a stack trace? I remember at least one case of where I traced audio problems, not to PA, but a bad codec used by gstreamer. I still do not believe that Debian was taken over by the shit that come out of Lennart / RedHat (sorry about the bad words). And the Linux community will put almost all the eggs into the systemd basket!! For God's sake, what a fuck is wrong with those people??? Well, I really don't care anymore, we have Devuan! YAY!^_^ Before you blame Poettering or RedHat you should make sure that they are actually to blame for your problem. To my knowledge, Poettering doesn't work on PA as much these days. I was trusting my professional life on Debian team and now, this crap... The good of open source is that we have the power to make forks... Whew! Ubuntu is not Debian. Not by a long shot. Ubuntu is a version of Debian Unstable, which should never be used on serious work. Lets include apulse and also, jackd. And *kick* pulseaudio alongside with systemd. Honestly, I don't even care anymore about systemd, neither as an option, it is impossible to trust on this thing, because of Lennart past projects (and obvious, because of systemd terrible / creepy architecture). I still open to uselessd + new udev, if it make easier to keep compatibility with upstream Debian while we need to keep syncing with it. Also, I like the idea of CGroup Process, if uselessd can achieve that (i.e, control/isolate process using Linux CGroups), then, it is a great thing! There are space for a new Init System and systemd is NOT it. Dropping code because of the dislike one person without making sure that you can build your entire tree first without it, is not a sensible thing to do. It is not in the best interests of users. Happy new year! :-) Likewise! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
Dear Freedom lovers, i would suggest to you this project https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse and would say thank for your efforts. Cheers, and Happy Grav'Mass! Mike ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:26:10PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: +1 for apulse. It's proven stable enough for Skype calls in my (limited) experience with it, which is the only reason I would have had for installing PulseAudio (ideally I'd avoid Skype altogether, but it's required for $DAYJOB). Sadly, it's unmaintained and no longer developed. According to the author, it's supposed to be an one-trick-pony, specifically for Skype voice calls and nothing else. -- // If you believe in so-called intellectual property, please immediately // cease using counterfeit alphabets. Instead, contact the nearest temple // of Amon, whose priests will provide you with scribal services for all // your writing needs, for Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory prices. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
I'm not that worried about the fact that the author considers it done. It's not like you have to oil it and give it tune-ups to keep it working ;) Fortunately, it's not that complex of a program--if any incompatibilities or bugs are discovered down the road, it shouldn't take much effort to fix. Jude On Dec 24, 2014 2:37 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote: On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:26:10PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: +1 for apulse. It's proven stable enough for Skype calls in my (limited) experience with it, which is the only reason I would have had for installing PulseAudio (ideally I'd avoid Skype altogether, but it's required for $DAYJOB). Sadly, it's unmaintained and no longer developed. According to the author, it's supposed to be an one-trick-pony, specifically for Skype voice calls and nothing else. -- // If you believe in so-called intellectual property, please immediately // cease using counterfeit alphabets. Instead, contact the nearest temple // of Amon, whose priests will provide you with scribal services for all // your writing needs, for Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory prices. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
All text below is IMHO. Package: pulseaudio Version: 2.0-6.1 ... Depends: libasound2 (= 1.0.24.1), libc6 (= 2.9), libcap2 (= 2.10), libdbus-1-3 (= 1.1.1), libfftw3-3, libgcc1 (= 1:4.1.1), libice6 (= 1:1.0.0), libltdl7 (= 2.4.2), liborc-0.4-0 (= 1:0.4.16), libpulse0 (= 2.0-6.1), libsamplerate0 (= 0.1.7), libsm6, libsndfile1 (= 1.0.20), libspeexdsp1 (= 1.2~beta3.2-1), libstdc++6 (= 4.1.1), 1st group- libsystemd-daemon0 (= 31), libsystemd-login0 (= 31), === 2nd group- libudev0 (= 146), udev (= 143), === --- 3rd group -- # sound system depends on graphics? what the hell? libx11-6, libx11-xcb1, libxcb1, libxtst6, === libtdb1 (= 1.2.7+git20101214), libwebrtc-audio-processing-0, adduser, lsb-base (= 3.2-13), consolekit, libasound2-plugins Recommends: pulseaudio-module-x11, gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio, rtkit Suggests: pulseaudio-utils, pavumeter, pavucontrol, paman, paprefs I don't know exactly what kind of this deps, still optional or hard. Maybe will be enough rebuild it with proper options. But you should be ready drop it in any moment. it can be a PITA It will be PITA in any case, i suppose. This project became usable mainly because you-know-who left it. -- Alex 25.12.2014 08:45, T.J. Duchene пишет: On 12/24/2014 11:13 AM, m_maass wrote: Dear Freedom lovers, i would suggest to you this project https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse and would say thank for your efforts. Cheers, and Happy Grav'Mass! What is wrong with PulseAudio? I agree, it can be a PITA, but unless you are concerned about some kind of systemd dependency I do not understand why Devuan would be seeking a replacement. It's no worse than Jack or any of the other alternatives, which are less compatible. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 08:08:57PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: Package: pulseaudio 1st group- libsystemd-daemon0 (= 31), libsystemd-login0 (= 31), You can compile up to at least PA 4 without any references to systemd. I should know, I've personally backported to Wheezy, more than once. I would not take Debian package data as any indicator of any real dependency, period. All it says, is that the default package was setup to depend on this or that. It may have nothing to do with actual compile dependencies at all. PA 5 detects systemd headers at configure time and does the right thing if they're absent. All you need to do to liberate the jessie package is to remove the following: control:libsystemd-login-dev [linux-any], control:libsystemd-journal-dev [linux-any], pulseaudio.install:usr/lib/pulse-*/modules/module-systemd-login.so If you want my humble, and probably meaningless opinion - Devuan 1.0 should not be Jesse based, but a clone of Wheezy with updated backports and a new kernel. You're going to run across more and more packages from Jesse with dependency data that includes this kind of crap. Quite a few of us are running jessie or sid systems without libsystemd0, this is a done and tested part. You can grab my packages from: deb http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd main deb-src http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd main (key at https://angband.pl/deb/archive.html) -- amd64 only but if you want another architecture or some missing package, shout. -- // If you believe in so-called intellectual property, please immediately // cease using counterfeit alphabets. Instead, contact the nearest temple // of Amon, whose priests will provide you with scribal services for all // your writing needs, for Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory prices. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
