Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-13 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170303-20:40-0500, Christopher Clements wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 03, 2017 at 12:03:02AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >I haven't yet gotten to the point of using privacy I don't need
> >personally, as is obvious by this unsigned email.
> 
> I always sign my messages.
Me too. 
> On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 10:15:21PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> >Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have
> >nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free
> >speech because you have nothing to say.
(just: Edward Snowden, my hero, said that ;-) )
And there other people wrote to you beautifully.
> 
> Thank you everyone for the information, and for putting things in
> perspective for me.
And it's so great to read that it wasn't in vain, that open to
understanding. 
> I wish I had joined a mailing list like this 10 years ago, as Google
> will never be an adequate substitute for just asking
(Google is bad.)

But I wanted to add another reason, unbelievable to me (I'm 60 yrs old,
and we, in my youth, under communism, would never believe the Land of
the Free would in the future --that has come in the meantime-- be the
almost a Land of the Surveilled an Unfree. Read for yourself:

ISP extorsion - how to negate / get around?
https://lists.gt.net/gentoo/user/324121

Part of the initial email by Corbin Bird, for the lazy/ or unable to
connect as they read:

===
PASTING:
Have a serious problem, might cost me any Internet access.

My ISP ( Charter ) merged with Time-Warner. New name "Spectrum"

1 # : Now I have intermittent connectivity.

2 # : And with the death of FCC privacy rules, the new ISP is forcing me
to update their records ( for sale-of purposes ). This includes phone (
all ), SSN, bank account numbers, and credit card numbers.

3 # : the ISP attempting to force agreement to "no communications
allowed with the FCC". Also is attempting to force agreement to
"Arbitration with the ISP as the Arbiter" for all complaints.

4 # : billing is only online now. Not allowed to see a Account
Statement, or receive any "receipt for payment" until I comply with ISP
demands.

5 # : external e-mail clients ( Thunderbird, Claws-Mail, etc. ) are now
starting to have problems. ISP solution -> must use their web based
e-mail app only ( only works with Windoze, surprise! ).

6 # : ISP is starting to filter customers web access. The ISP is
deciding what sites customers are allowed to see. ( look up the practice
called "ransom" ).

7 # : no other broadband ISP in the regional area. No alternatives.

They are using a hijack technique that I don't know the name of,
attempting to force compliance.

NOTE : The ?hijack technique? will corrupt the portage trees if you use
"emerge-webrsync".

Is there any way to ... fix? work-around? ... this idiocy?

PASTED
===

Enough reason to fight control on you?

But, it's not just the U.S., far from...

Indeed I subscribe to what Steve Litt wrote in another email in this
thread:

> I'm not singling out one party or one nation: This kind of stuff is
> happening all over the place.
( Steve Litt in another email )

> 
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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-03 Thread Christopher Clements

On Fri, Mar 03, 2017 at 12:03:02AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:

I haven't yet gotten to the point of using privacy I don't need
personally, as is obvious by this unsigned email.


I always sign my messages.

From what I understand, if my message is signed (and the signature is
valid), then it is proof that I actually wrote the message, and it isn't
a fake created by someone else with a spoofed address or something.

I once left my laptop unlocked and my little brother decided to play a
practical joke on me by sending some messages that resulted in me
getting banned from a forum.

That was a long time ago, but now that I sign everything, I can simply
say that anything that is not signed is (probably) not from me.

I guess it is stupid to be paranoid about GPG signatures, yet completely
transparent with everything else I do...


After reading your reply, as well as a few others, I have decided that I
will switch to using Tor for most of my online work.

I still think that unencrypted communication is faster since the data
doesn't have to be en/decrypted (I have no proof of this), but after
reading this quote:

On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 10:15:21PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:

Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have
nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free
speech because you have nothing to say.


I have decided that a few (possibly imaginary) milliseconds is a fair
trade-off. (Besides, cloning the linux kernel takes all night regardless.)

Thank you everyone for the information, and for putting things in
perspective for me.

I wish I had joined a mailing list like this 10 years ago, as Google
will never be an adequate substitute for just asking someone when the
question is not simple. (And unlike IRC, you don't need a constant
connection.)

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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-03 Thread jamey
> And then there's what Jamie said: By all being private, we make the
> truly private stand out less. I haven't yet gotten to the point of
> using privacy I don't need personally, as is obvious by this unsigned
> email.

> SteveT

A friend of mine has a bit of a conspiracy theory going - asking why there
is no e-mail program that defaults to at *least* signing messages
cryptographically, if not using encryption as a default.  He has a point: 
none of the major distros set up their e-mail clients to default to
signing, or anything - why not?

Sure, it's not the super-privacy-protective that heads or tails provides,
but signing at least provides some confirmation that things haven't been
changed along the way.
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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:13:25 -0500
Christopher Clements  wrote:

> As a curious "I have nothing to hide" type of guy, I'm wondering if
> there are any other legitimate reasons to use this stuff. 


My answer is that someday you will have something to hide. I don't know
if it will be a disease, a crime committed by a relative, a trade
secret in your company, or joining a nonviolent resistance movement in
these days of ever lessening freedom of speech:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/19/republican-lawmakers-in-five-states-propose-bills-to-criminalize-peaceful-protest/

I'm not singling out one party or one nation: This kind of stuff is
happening all over the place.

And then there's what Jamie said: By all being private, we make the
truly private stand out less. I haven't yet gotten to the point of
using privacy I don't need personally, as is obvious by this unsigned
email.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive
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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 01/03/2017 at 06:42 Kurtis Hanna wrote:

[...]

>> Also, (no disrespect meant, just an innocent question),
>> who are these types of distributions meant for, apart from
>> the paranoid, whistleblowers, drug lords, and high-profile criminals?
>> (Please don't think I'm lumping them all together.)
>
> This is a common question. The answer is, and I don't mean this is a
> mean way, you've been brainwashed by propaganda.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse
> 
> Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. Please understand though,
> this is a logical fallacy.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children
> 
> While it will take a while to deprogram yourself, I suggest that you
> start by watching the Tor video, which is the 5th video on this page:
> http://motionensemble.de/ It has a big Tor logo on the default
> screenshot. Also, watch Citizen Four and read up on the Snowden revelations.

  My favourite quote on the subject is:

«Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you
have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about
free speech because you have nothing to say.» Edward Snowden


  Thank you to all those who worked on Heads.


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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-02 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:

> > The problem with having a nice brightly colored "TOR" icon on your iPhone
> > is that the Jackboots can easily see it and know you're using it.  But if
> > *EVERYONE* has it on their phone, it's no longer nearly as useful for
> > identifying people of interest.
> 
> Is it that difficult to change the icon, and the displayed app name ?

with a live distro you would have to do that every time, or have your
nest connected (I think tails renamed it "persistent storage").

ciao

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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-01 Thread Christopher Clements

On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 05:42:00AM +, Kurtis Hanna wrote:

[snip]


Thanks, that was very insightful.

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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-01 Thread Ron
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:01:53 -0600 (CST)
ja...@beau.org wrote:

> Another reason for those who have relatively little to hide - to help
> provide "herd immunity" for those who actually have legitimate reasons to
> hide hard.
> 
> The problem with having a nice brightly colored "TOR" icon on your iPhone
> is that the Jackboots can easily see it and know you're using it.  But if
> *EVERYONE* has it on their phone, it's no longer nearly as useful for
> identifying people of interest.

Is it that difficult to change the icon, and the displayed app name ?
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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  cut once.

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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-01 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017, ja...@beau.org wrote:

> The problem with having a nice brightly colored "TOR" icon on your iPhone
> is that the Jackboots can easily see it and know you're using it.  But if
> *EVERYONE* has it on their phone, it's no longer nearly as useful for
> identifying people of interest.

On these regards I think the approach taken by Parazyd with heads'
desktop is very enlightened. heads reverses this reasoning by
eliminating all visible branding: its desktop image is just a generic
field of some blurred flowers.

this way heads gives up the overrated and sometimes nauseating
marketing approach that even Tor and Tails follow nowadays, by
facilitating the disappearance into the crowd... humble and effective.


ciao


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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-01 Thread jamey
> Quoting Christopher Clements (bcn...@gmail.com):

>> I honestly can't think of any legitimate, ethically sound use of "extreme
>> privacy" software apart from whistleblowing and sticking it to extremely
>> aggressive advertisers like AT's clients.

> Do you have drapes (or equivalent) in your bedroom windows?  ;->

Another reason for those who have relatively little to hide - to help
provide "herd immunity" for those who actually have legitimate reasons to
hide hard.

The problem with having a nice brightly colored "TOR" icon on your iPhone
is that the Jackboots can easily see it and know you're using it.  But if
*EVERYONE* has it on their phone, it's no longer nearly as useful for
identifying people of interest.
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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:35:13 -0800, Rick wrote in message 
<20170301073513.gb30...@linuxmafia.com>:

> Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):
> 
> > ..now, can we build on heads to get a safe alternative to
> > https://qubes-os.org/ ?
> 
> Pretty please?
> 
> Qubes is a near-essential tool for Operations high-security work, and 
> about the only serious design flaw is the one Arnt points to.

..even https://subgraph.com/sgos/ uses systemd.  I searched their
site for "systemd" and found ... "5.8.3.2 Installing the operating
system with deboostrap

Now that the virtual disk-image is created, we can now use debootstrap
to install Debian Stretch. Follow these steps to install it:

Run debootstrap to install the operating system:

$ sudo debootstrap --variant=mintbase --include=systemd-sysv
stretch /mnt" 

...once in https://subgraph.com/sgos-handbook/sgos_handbook.shtml 
and "systemctl" 3 times below "5.4.1 Profiling applications with
ROFLCopTor".

.."you do the math..."

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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-02-28 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):

> ..now, can we build on heads to get a safe alternative to
> https://qubes-os.org/ ?

Pretty please?

Qubes is a near-essential tool for Operations high-security work, and 
about the only serious design flaw is the one Arnt points to.

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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-02-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:21:49 +0100, Adam wrote in message 
<20170228212149.spuhnetb623om...@angband.pl>:

> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 04:06:16PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:12:34PM +0100, parazyd wrote:
> > > heads 0.0 is out!
> > > It finally happened and it's not vaporware!
> > 
> > It's out, it's not vaporware, it boots into a VM or bare hardware
> > from USB, but...
> > 
> > What Is It?
> 
> Ever heard of Tails?
> 
> An independent remake (not a fork!) of Tails is an awesome thing.  Not
> because of details like systemd (which is really harmful only on a
> system you need to actively administer), degradation of its user
> interface because of relying on Gnome3 being also only a minor
> concern.


..the probably easier way to defeat heads, is run it on systemd 
hosts like https://qubes-os.org/ ;o)


..now, can we build on heads to get a safe alternative to
https://qubes-os.org/ ?

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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-02-28 Thread Kurtis Hanna
Christopher Clements:
> Is there really any way to be 100% sure that a project and/or team
> member is not compromised?

No. This is why 3rd party audits of the source code is important. If the
source code is not fully available to everyone, then it can not be fully
audited. Tails has non-free software in it, making it impossible to
audit the whole thing. I don't believe that Tails has been compromised,
but sunshine is the best disinfectant. This is why Heads is exciting.
From what I understand, it will have a smaller codebase (since systemd
will not be included) and it will publish it's entire source code to
everyone. Obviously, not everyone will be able to take that source code
and audit it, since that is a specialized skill, but this does give
users the ability (currently in theory, but hopefully in practice in the
future) to pool their money to pay for regular complete 3rd party audits
that publish their complete report.

If the source code can get a clean bill of health on a regular basis,
then people can compile it themselves with confidence. In the future, as
with most software, the hope would be that the OS can also provide
compiled binary versions with reproducible builds, so that multiple
organizations can verify the integrity of the binaries that are published.

In practice, this doesn't always happen in free software projects.
Nonetheless, this is the path that a project can take to ensure that a
piece of software has not been compromised by one or two developers that
have been blackmailed or whatever else.

> Also, (no disrespect meant, just an innocent question),
> who are these types of distributions meant for, apart from
> the paranoid, whistleblowers, drug lords, and high-profile criminals?
> (Please don't think I'm lumping them all together.)

This is a common question. The answer is, and I don't mean this is a
mean way, you've been brainwashed by propaganda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse

Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. Please understand though,
this is a logical fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

While it will take a while to deprogram yourself, I suggest that you
start by watching the Tor video, which is the 5th video on this page:
http://motionensemble.de/ It has a big Tor logo on the default
screenshot. Also, watch Citizen Four and read up on the Snowden revelations.

> I honestly can't think of any legitimate, ethically sound use of "extreme
> privacy" software apart from whistleblowing and sticking it to extremely
> aggressive advertisers like AT's clients.

Tor is not "extreme privacy". It is just regular privacy. If you don't
agree, please tell me how you define "regular privacy". Privacy is a
human right, explicitly defined in the UN Declaration of Human Rights:

"Article 12.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy,
family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and
reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against
such interference or attacks."

But let me, for argument's sake, say that you are correct for a second.
If Tor is "extreme privacy" and it is only good for whistleblowers and
sticking it to "little brother", wouldn't it make it easier to catch
these whistleblowers if they were the only ones using the network? It is
difficult to use Tor without your service provider knowing that you use
it. If they were the only ones that use it, then they would be easily
targeted. If plain ol' folks use Tor regularly, they can provide cover
for those who use it in desperate situations.

> As a curious "I have nothing to hide" type of guy, I'm wondering if
> there are any other legitimate reasons to use this stuff, or is it
> logical for "Big Brother" to simply add everyone who downloads Tor to
> a watchlist? (That would include me, I guess, since I've used Kali
> linux, which comes with Tor IIRC.)

Privacy is the ability to choose what you reveal to the world. While you
may not have anything to hide, you have the human right to decide what
you reveal about yourself to the world. Big Brother and Little Brother
are working together to create dossiers on everyone on the planet. This
isn't paranoia. This has been well reported and only refuted by those
who haven't been paying attention to the news. Here's a TLDR version:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29 This is
only one program of a shockingly large number of programs that utilize
centralized technology to map out people's entire lives and social
networks. When you say that you don't understand why someone would take
moderate steps, by using a slightly more difficult to use operating
system for example, to balance the overwhelming amount of illegal
warrantless surveillance by nation states and megacorps is naive.

> Once again, these are just questions. I am not saying I'm against
> "extreme privacy" stuff, I'm just curious; please don't fire me out of a
> cannon into the 

Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-02-28 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Christopher Clements (bcn...@gmail.com):

> Is there really any way to be 100% sure that a project and/or team
> member is not compromised?

Surprisingly, sometimes interesting discussions about security are
possible after the newcomer establishes that the answer to this basic
question is always and everywhere 'no', in order to get it out of the
way.

> I honestly can't think of any legitimate, ethically sound use of "extreme
> privacy" software apart from whistleblowing and sticking it to extremely
> aggressive advertisers like AT's clients.

Do you have drapes (or equivalent) in your bedroom windows?  ;->


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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-02-28 Thread Christopher Clements

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:21:49PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 04:06:16PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:12:34PM +0100, parazyd wrote:
> heads 0.0 is out!
> It finally happened and it's not vaporware!

It's out, it's not vaporware, it boots into a VM or bare hardware
from USB, but...

What Is It?


Ever heard of Tails?

An independent remake (not a fork!) of Tails is an awesome thing.  Not
because of details like systemd (which is really harmful only on a system
you need to actively administer), degradation of its user interface because
of relying on Gnome3 being also only a minor concern.

The big reason are rumours about Tails being infiltrated by US bad guys, and
backdoored.  Those rumours may be or may not be true -- I seriously hope
they are not -- but there's no way to prove a negative.  If I was a spook,
taking over a Tails developer would be a really, really high on my list of
priorities, and it's not that hard to recruit/bribe/threaten the family
of/hack/etc one of a team.  Conversely, if I was a spook but failed at that
task, I'd badmouth Tails to make potential dissidents fear using it...

Thus, a from-scratch remake gives a chance to avoid either the risk of Tails
being really subverted, or false allegations of it being subverted.


... but what keeps heads from having the same problem?

Is there really any way to be 100% sure that a project and/or team
member is not compromised?

Also, (no disrespect meant, just an innocent question),
who are these types of distributions meant for, apart from
the paranoid, whistleblowers, drug lords, and high-profile criminals?
(Please don't think I'm lumping them all together.)

I honestly can't think of any legitimate, ethically sound use of "extreme
privacy" software apart from whistleblowing and sticking it to extremely
aggressive advertisers like AT's clients.

As a curious "I have nothing to hide" type of guy, I'm wondering if
there are any other legitimate reasons to use this stuff, or is it
logical for "Big Brother" to simply add everyone who downloads Tor to
a watchlist? (That would include me, I guess, since I've used Kali
linux, which comes with Tor IIRC.)

Once again, these are just questions. I am not saying I'm against
"extreme privacy" stuff, I'm just curious; please don't fire me out of a
cannon into the sun or something. (I'm a filesystems guy, not a
communications guy.)

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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-02-28 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 04:06:16PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:12:34PM +0100, parazyd wrote:
> > heads 0.0 is out!
> > It finally happened and it's not vaporware!
> 
> It's out, it's not vaporware, it boots into a VM or bare hardware
> from USB, but...
> 
> What Is It?

Ever heard of Tails?

An independent remake (not a fork!) of Tails is an awesome thing.  Not
because of details like systemd (which is really harmful only on a system
you need to actively administer), degradation of its user interface because
of relying on Gnome3 being also only a minor concern.

The big reason are rumours about Tails being infiltrated by US bad guys, and
backdoored.  Those rumours may be or may not be true -- I seriously hope
they are not -- but there's no way to prove a negative.  If I was a spook,
taking over a Tails developer would be a really, really high on my list of
priorities, and it's not that hard to recruit/bribe/threaten the family
of/hack/etc one of a team.  Conversely, if I was a spook but failed at that
task, I'd badmouth Tails to make potential dissidents fear using it...

Thus, a from-scratch remake gives a chance to avoid either the risk of Tails
being really subverted, or false allegations of it being subverted.

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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-02-28 Thread parazyd
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017, Hendrik Boom wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:12:34PM +0100, parazyd wrote:
> > heads 0.0 is out!
> > It finally happened and it's not vaporware!
> 
> It's out, it's not vaporware, it boots into a VM or bare hardware
> from USB, but...
> 
> What Is It?

You continue looking at the website :p

https://heads.dyne.org/

https://heads.dyne.org/about.html

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Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-02-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:12:34PM +0100, parazyd wrote:
> heads 0.0 is out!
> It finally happened and it's not vaporware!

It's out, it's not vaporware, it boots into a VM or bare hardware
from USB, but...

What Is It?

-- hendrik

> 
> heads 0.0 is a preview live CD of what heads is going to be about.
> This release is not intended to be used from a security point of
> view, but as a showcase and testing point of view.
> 
> I am not even completely sure everything is torified, but hey,
> that's what testing is for, no?
> 
> So please, download the ISO from the downloads link in the above
> navbar and abuse the hell out of it :)
> 
> Throughout a certain period, bugs will be fixed within the build
> system, and patched releases will be released without announcement.
> So check regularly for 0.0.x releases on the downloads page...
> 
> But first, read some notes on it all:
> 
> Booting the ISO can be done with some virtualization like qemu or
> VirtualBox, or it can be dd-ed to a USB flash drive and booted on
> a laptop. It can be burned to optical media as well.
> 
> The MATE desktop environment is not yet included in this release,
> only AwesomeWM is installed. You can install other environments
> easily by yourself.
> 
> When booted, you will be presented with instructions on how to
> login, and start a graphical environment. Keep in mind the root
> password is shown only once and you will have to reboot if you
> lose access to it.
> 
> https://heads.dyne.org/download/
> 
> -- 
> ~ parazyd
> GPG: 0333 7671 FDE7 5BB6 A85E  C91F B876 CB44 FA1B 0274



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