Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On 170303-20:40-0500, Christopher Clements wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2017 at 12:03:02AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > >I haven't yet gotten to the point of using privacy I don't need > >personally, as is obvious by this unsigned email. > > I always sign my messages. Me too. > On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 10:15:21PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have > >nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free > >speech because you have nothing to say. (just: Edward Snowden, my hero, said that ;-) ) And there other people wrote to you beautifully. > > Thank you everyone for the information, and for putting things in > perspective for me. And it's so great to read that it wasn't in vain, that open to understanding. > I wish I had joined a mailing list like this 10 years ago, as Google > will never be an adequate substitute for just asking (Google is bad.) But I wanted to add another reason, unbelievable to me (I'm 60 yrs old, and we, in my youth, under communism, would never believe the Land of the Free would in the future --that has come in the meantime-- be the almost a Land of the Surveilled an Unfree. Read for yourself: ISP extorsion - how to negate / get around? https://lists.gt.net/gentoo/user/324121 Part of the initial email by Corbin Bird, for the lazy/ or unable to connect as they read: === PASTING: Have a serious problem, might cost me any Internet access. My ISP ( Charter ) merged with Time-Warner. New name "Spectrum" 1 # : Now I have intermittent connectivity. 2 # : And with the death of FCC privacy rules, the new ISP is forcing me to update their records ( for sale-of purposes ). This includes phone ( all ), SSN, bank account numbers, and credit card numbers. 3 # : the ISP attempting to force agreement to "no communications allowed with the FCC". Also is attempting to force agreement to "Arbitration with the ISP as the Arbiter" for all complaints. 4 # : billing is only online now. Not allowed to see a Account Statement, or receive any "receipt for payment" until I comply with ISP demands. 5 # : external e-mail clients ( Thunderbird, Claws-Mail, etc. ) are now starting to have problems. ISP solution -> must use their web based e-mail app only ( only works with Windoze, surprise! ). 6 # : ISP is starting to filter customers web access. The ISP is deciding what sites customers are allowed to see. ( look up the practice called "ransom" ). 7 # : no other broadband ISP in the regional area. No alternatives. They are using a hijack technique that I don't know the name of, attempting to force compliance. NOTE : The ?hijack technique? will corrupt the portage trees if you use "emerge-webrsync". Is there any way to ... fix? work-around? ... this idiocy? PASTED === Enough reason to fight control on you? But, it's not just the U.S., far from... Indeed I subscribe to what Steve Litt wrote in another email in this thread: > I'm not singling out one party or one nation: This kind of stuff is > happening all over the place. ( Steve Litt in another email ) > > -- > GPG Key: 0769 AFCF 681E F61E 2137 F4CB 5044 1726 610D 5AE0 Your key imported here. Regards! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Fri, Mar 03, 2017 at 12:03:02AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: I haven't yet gotten to the point of using privacy I don't need personally, as is obvious by this unsigned email. I always sign my messages. From what I understand, if my message is signed (and the signature is valid), then it is proof that I actually wrote the message, and it isn't a fake created by someone else with a spoofed address or something. I once left my laptop unlocked and my little brother decided to play a practical joke on me by sending some messages that resulted in me getting banned from a forum. That was a long time ago, but now that I sign everything, I can simply say that anything that is not signed is (probably) not from me. I guess it is stupid to be paranoid about GPG signatures, yet completely transparent with everything else I do... After reading your reply, as well as a few others, I have decided that I will switch to using Tor for most of my online work. I still think that unencrypted communication is faster since the data doesn't have to be en/decrypted (I have no proof of this), but after reading this quote: On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 10:15:21PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say. I have decided that a few (possibly imaginary) milliseconds is a fair trade-off. (Besides, cloning the linux kernel takes all night regardless.) Thank you everyone for the information, and for putting things in perspective for me. I wish I had joined a mailing list like this 10 years ago, as Google will never be an adequate substitute for just asking someone when the question is not simple. (And unlike IRC, you don't need a constant connection.) -- GPG Key: 0769 AFCF 681E F61E 2137 F4CB 5044 1726 610D 5AE0 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
> And then there's what Jamie said: By all being private, we make the > truly private stand out less. I haven't yet gotten to the point of > using privacy I don't need personally, as is obvious by this unsigned > email. > SteveT A friend of mine has a bit of a conspiracy theory going - asking why there is no e-mail program that defaults to at *least* signing messages cryptographically, if not using encryption as a default. He has a point: none of the major distros set up their e-mail clients to default to signing, or anything - why not? Sure, it's not the super-privacy-protective that heads or tails provides, but signing at least provides some confirmation that things haven't been changed along the way. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:13:25 -0500 Christopher Clementswrote: > As a curious "I have nothing to hide" type of guy, I'm wondering if > there are any other legitimate reasons to use this stuff. My answer is that someday you will have something to hide. I don't know if it will be a disease, a crime committed by a relative, a trade secret in your company, or joining a nonviolent resistance movement in these days of ever lessening freedom of speech: https://theintercept.com/2017/01/19/republican-lawmakers-in-five-states-propose-bills-to-criminalize-peaceful-protest/ I'm not singling out one party or one nation: This kind of stuff is happening all over the place. And then there's what Jamie said: By all being private, we make the truly private stand out less. I haven't yet gotten to the point of using privacy I don't need personally, as is obvious by this unsigned email. SteveT Steve Litt February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On 01/03/2017 at 06:42 Kurtis Hanna wrote: [...] >> Also, (no disrespect meant, just an innocent question), >> who are these types of distributions meant for, apart from >> the paranoid, whistleblowers, drug lords, and high-profile criminals? >> (Please don't think I'm lumping them all together.) > > This is a common question. The answer is, and I don't mean this is a > mean way, you've been brainwashed by propaganda. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse > > Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. Please understand though, > this is a logical fallacy. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children > > While it will take a while to deprogram yourself, I suggest that you > start by watching the Tor video, which is the 5th video on this page: > http://motionensemble.de/ It has a big Tor logo on the default > screenshot. Also, watch Citizen Four and read up on the Snowden revelations. My favourite quote on the subject is: «Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.» Edward Snowden Thank you to all those who worked on Heads. -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > The problem with having a nice brightly colored "TOR" icon on your iPhone > > is that the Jackboots can easily see it and know you're using it. But if > > *EVERYONE* has it on their phone, it's no longer nearly as useful for > > identifying people of interest. > > Is it that difficult to change the icon, and the displayed app name ? with a live distro you would have to do that every time, or have your nest connected (I think tails renamed it "persistent storage"). ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 05:42:00AM +, Kurtis Hanna wrote: [snip] Thanks, that was very insightful. -- GPG Key: 0769 AFCF 681E F61E 2137 F4CB 5044 1726 610D 5AE0 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:01:53 -0600 (CST) ja...@beau.org wrote: > Another reason for those who have relatively little to hide - to help > provide "herd immunity" for those who actually have legitimate reasons to > hide hard. > > The problem with having a nice brightly colored "TOR" icon on your iPhone > is that the Jackboots can easily see it and know you're using it. But if > *EVERYONE* has it on their phone, it's no longer nearly as useful for > identifying people of interest. Is it that difficult to change the icon, and the displayed app name ? Cheers, Ron. -- Measure twice, cut once. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017, ja...@beau.org wrote: > The problem with having a nice brightly colored "TOR" icon on your iPhone > is that the Jackboots can easily see it and know you're using it. But if > *EVERYONE* has it on their phone, it's no longer nearly as useful for > identifying people of interest. On these regards I think the approach taken by Parazyd with heads' desktop is very enlightened. heads reverses this reasoning by eliminating all visible branding: its desktop image is just a generic field of some blurred flowers. this way heads gives up the overrated and sometimes nauseating marketing approach that even Tor and Tails follow nowadays, by facilitating the disappearance into the crowd... humble and effective. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
> Quoting Christopher Clements (bcn...@gmail.com): >> I honestly can't think of any legitimate, ethically sound use of "extreme >> privacy" software apart from whistleblowing and sticking it to extremely >> aggressive advertisers like AT's clients. > Do you have drapes (or equivalent) in your bedroom windows? ;-> Another reason for those who have relatively little to hide - to help provide "herd immunity" for those who actually have legitimate reasons to hide hard. The problem with having a nice brightly colored "TOR" icon on your iPhone is that the Jackboots can easily see it and know you're using it. But if *EVERYONE* has it on their phone, it's no longer nearly as useful for identifying people of interest. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:35:13 -0800, Rick wrote in message <20170301073513.gb30...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > > ..now, can we build on heads to get a safe alternative to > > https://qubes-os.org/ ? > > Pretty please? > > Qubes is a near-essential tool for Operations high-security work, and > about the only serious design flaw is the one Arnt points to. ..even https://subgraph.com/sgos/ uses systemd. I searched their site for "systemd" and found ... "5.8.3.2 Installing the operating system with deboostrap Now that the virtual disk-image is created, we can now use debootstrap to install Debian Stretch. Follow these steps to install it: Run debootstrap to install the operating system: $ sudo debootstrap --variant=mintbase --include=systemd-sysv stretch /mnt" ...once in https://subgraph.com/sgos-handbook/sgos_handbook.shtml and "systemctl" 3 times below "5.4.1 Profiling applications with ROFLCopTor". .."you do the math..." -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > ..now, can we build on heads to get a safe alternative to > https://qubes-os.org/ ? Pretty please? Qubes is a near-essential tool for Operations high-security work, and about the only serious design flaw is the one Arnt points to. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:21:49 +0100, Adam wrote in message <20170228212149.spuhnetb623om...@angband.pl>: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 04:06:16PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:12:34PM +0100, parazyd wrote: > > > heads 0.0 is out! > > > It finally happened and it's not vaporware! > > > > It's out, it's not vaporware, it boots into a VM or bare hardware > > from USB, but... > > > > What Is It? > > Ever heard of Tails? > > An independent remake (not a fork!) of Tails is an awesome thing. Not > because of details like systemd (which is really harmful only on a > system you need to actively administer), degradation of its user > interface because of relying on Gnome3 being also only a minor > concern. ..the probably easier way to defeat heads, is run it on systemd hosts like https://qubes-os.org/ ;o) ..now, can we build on heads to get a safe alternative to https://qubes-os.org/ ? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
Christopher Clements: > Is there really any way to be 100% sure that a project and/or team > member is not compromised? No. This is why 3rd party audits of the source code is important. If the source code is not fully available to everyone, then it can not be fully audited. Tails has non-free software in it, making it impossible to audit the whole thing. I don't believe that Tails has been compromised, but sunshine is the best disinfectant. This is why Heads is exciting. From what I understand, it will have a smaller codebase (since systemd will not be included) and it will publish it's entire source code to everyone. Obviously, not everyone will be able to take that source code and audit it, since that is a specialized skill, but this does give users the ability (currently in theory, but hopefully in practice in the future) to pool their money to pay for regular complete 3rd party audits that publish their complete report. If the source code can get a clean bill of health on a regular basis, then people can compile it themselves with confidence. In the future, as with most software, the hope would be that the OS can also provide compiled binary versions with reproducible builds, so that multiple organizations can verify the integrity of the binaries that are published. In practice, this doesn't always happen in free software projects. Nonetheless, this is the path that a project can take to ensure that a piece of software has not been compromised by one or two developers that have been blackmailed or whatever else. > Also, (no disrespect meant, just an innocent question), > who are these types of distributions meant for, apart from > the paranoid, whistleblowers, drug lords, and high-profile criminals? > (Please don't think I'm lumping them all together.) This is a common question. The answer is, and I don't mean this is a mean way, you've been brainwashed by propaganda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. Please understand though, this is a logical fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children While it will take a while to deprogram yourself, I suggest that you start by watching the Tor video, which is the 5th video on this page: http://motionensemble.de/ It has a big Tor logo on the default screenshot. Also, watch Citizen Four and read up on the Snowden revelations. > I honestly can't think of any legitimate, ethically sound use of "extreme > privacy" software apart from whistleblowing and sticking it to extremely > aggressive advertisers like AT's clients. Tor is not "extreme privacy". It is just regular privacy. If you don't agree, please tell me how you define "regular privacy". Privacy is a human right, explicitly defined in the UN Declaration of Human Rights: "Article 12. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks." But let me, for argument's sake, say that you are correct for a second. If Tor is "extreme privacy" and it is only good for whistleblowers and sticking it to "little brother", wouldn't it make it easier to catch these whistleblowers if they were the only ones using the network? It is difficult to use Tor without your service provider knowing that you use it. If they were the only ones that use it, then they would be easily targeted. If plain ol' folks use Tor regularly, they can provide cover for those who use it in desperate situations. > As a curious "I have nothing to hide" type of guy, I'm wondering if > there are any other legitimate reasons to use this stuff, or is it > logical for "Big Brother" to simply add everyone who downloads Tor to > a watchlist? (That would include me, I guess, since I've used Kali > linux, which comes with Tor IIRC.) Privacy is the ability to choose what you reveal to the world. While you may not have anything to hide, you have the human right to decide what you reveal about yourself to the world. Big Brother and Little Brother are working together to create dossiers on everyone on the planet. This isn't paranoia. This has been well reported and only refuted by those who haven't been paying attention to the news. Here's a TLDR version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29 This is only one program of a shockingly large number of programs that utilize centralized technology to map out people's entire lives and social networks. When you say that you don't understand why someone would take moderate steps, by using a slightly more difficult to use operating system for example, to balance the overwhelming amount of illegal warrantless surveillance by nation states and megacorps is naive. > Once again, these are just questions. I am not saying I'm against > "extreme privacy" stuff, I'm just curious; please don't fire me out of a > cannon into the
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
Quoting Christopher Clements (bcn...@gmail.com): > Is there really any way to be 100% sure that a project and/or team > member is not compromised? Surprisingly, sometimes interesting discussions about security are possible after the newcomer establishes that the answer to this basic question is always and everywhere 'no', in order to get it out of the way. > I honestly can't think of any legitimate, ethically sound use of "extreme > privacy" software apart from whistleblowing and sticking it to extremely > aggressive advertisers like AT's clients. Do you have drapes (or equivalent) in your bedroom windows? ;-> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:21:49PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 04:06:16PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:12:34PM +0100, parazyd wrote: > heads 0.0 is out! > It finally happened and it's not vaporware! It's out, it's not vaporware, it boots into a VM or bare hardware from USB, but... What Is It? Ever heard of Tails? An independent remake (not a fork!) of Tails is an awesome thing. Not because of details like systemd (which is really harmful only on a system you need to actively administer), degradation of its user interface because of relying on Gnome3 being also only a minor concern. The big reason are rumours about Tails being infiltrated by US bad guys, and backdoored. Those rumours may be or may not be true -- I seriously hope they are not -- but there's no way to prove a negative. If I was a spook, taking over a Tails developer would be a really, really high on my list of priorities, and it's not that hard to recruit/bribe/threaten the family of/hack/etc one of a team. Conversely, if I was a spook but failed at that task, I'd badmouth Tails to make potential dissidents fear using it... Thus, a from-scratch remake gives a chance to avoid either the risk of Tails being really subverted, or false allegations of it being subverted. ... but what keeps heads from having the same problem? Is there really any way to be 100% sure that a project and/or team member is not compromised? Also, (no disrespect meant, just an innocent question), who are these types of distributions meant for, apart from the paranoid, whistleblowers, drug lords, and high-profile criminals? (Please don't think I'm lumping them all together.) I honestly can't think of any legitimate, ethically sound use of "extreme privacy" software apart from whistleblowing and sticking it to extremely aggressive advertisers like AT's clients. As a curious "I have nothing to hide" type of guy, I'm wondering if there are any other legitimate reasons to use this stuff, or is it logical for "Big Brother" to simply add everyone who downloads Tor to a watchlist? (That would include me, I guess, since I've used Kali linux, which comes with Tor IIRC.) Once again, these are just questions. I am not saying I'm against "extreme privacy" stuff, I'm just curious; please don't fire me out of a cannon into the sun or something. (I'm a filesystems guy, not a communications guy.) -- GPG Key: 0769 AFCF 681E F61E 2137 F4CB 5044 1726 610D 5AE0 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 04:06:16PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:12:34PM +0100, parazyd wrote: > > heads 0.0 is out! > > It finally happened and it's not vaporware! > > It's out, it's not vaporware, it boots into a VM or bare hardware > from USB, but... > > What Is It? Ever heard of Tails? An independent remake (not a fork!) of Tails is an awesome thing. Not because of details like systemd (which is really harmful only on a system you need to actively administer), degradation of its user interface because of relying on Gnome3 being also only a minor concern. The big reason are rumours about Tails being infiltrated by US bad guys, and backdoored. Those rumours may be or may not be true -- I seriously hope they are not -- but there's no way to prove a negative. If I was a spook, taking over a Tails developer would be a really, really high on my list of priorities, and it's not that hard to recruit/bribe/threaten the family of/hack/etc one of a team. Conversely, if I was a spook but failed at that task, I'd badmouth Tails to make potential dissidents fear using it... Thus, a from-scratch remake gives a chance to avoid either the risk of Tails being really subverted, or false allegations of it being subverted. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Meow! ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Collisions shmolisions, let's see them find a collision or second ⠈⠳⣄ preimage for double rot13! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:12:34PM +0100, parazyd wrote: > > heads 0.0 is out! > > It finally happened and it's not vaporware! > > It's out, it's not vaporware, it boots into a VM or bare hardware > from USB, but... > > What Is It? You continue looking at the website :p https://heads.dyne.org/ https://heads.dyne.org/about.html -- ~ parazyd GPG: 0333 7671 FDE7 5BB6 A85E C91F B876 CB44 FA1B 0274 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:12:34PM +0100, parazyd wrote: > heads 0.0 is out! > It finally happened and it's not vaporware! It's out, it's not vaporware, it boots into a VM or bare hardware from USB, but... What Is It? -- hendrik > > heads 0.0 is a preview live CD of what heads is going to be about. > This release is not intended to be used from a security point of > view, but as a showcase and testing point of view. > > I am not even completely sure everything is torified, but hey, > that's what testing is for, no? > > So please, download the ISO from the downloads link in the above > navbar and abuse the hell out of it :) > > Throughout a certain period, bugs will be fixed within the build > system, and patched releases will be released without announcement. > So check regularly for 0.0.x releases on the downloads page... > > But first, read some notes on it all: > > Booting the ISO can be done with some virtualization like qemu or > VirtualBox, or it can be dd-ed to a USB flash drive and booted on > a laptop. It can be burned to optical media as well. > > The MATE desktop environment is not yet included in this release, > only AwesomeWM is installed. You can install other environments > easily by yourself. > > When booted, you will be presented with instructions on how to > login, and start a graphical environment. Keep in mind the root > password is shown only once and you will have to reboot if you > lose access to it. > > https://heads.dyne.org/download/ > > -- > ~ parazyd > GPG: 0333 7671 FDE7 5BB6 A85E C91F B876 CB44 FA1B 0274 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng