Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Fwd: Maintenance and Development of new Devuan Releases
On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:12:09 +0200, Edward wrote in message : > [RANT; if you hate rants, don't read it] ..an _excellent_ procmail filter suggestion for the intolerant. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Fwd: Maintenance and Development of new Devuan Releases
On 19/08/2018 at 11:29, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > -- > You know, Ed, you're a nice guy, but your lack of emotional control > makes you a pain in the ass on the mailing list. So for the second > time, I set procmail to send messages I receive from you to /dev/null. > -- > > And add also, it is very convenient for anyone to forget their own > lack of control of anger, which counts as an emotion. As I replied to > Jaromil, I clearly wrote it was a 'rant', and while ranting, many > people tend to overestimate their troubles. The fact that you acknowledged some posts of yours are uncontrolled emotional rants does not make them anything different from that. And they still are a PITA to read. -- Alessandro Selli Tel. 3701355486 VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave firma e cifratura PGP/GPG signing and encoding key: BA651E4050DDFC31E17384BABCE7BD1A1B0DF2AE signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Fwd: Maintenance and Development of new Devuan Releases
On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:12:09 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > [RANT; if you hate rants, don't read it] > > Linux is getting exaspirating... It is not definitely the Linux I knew > when I started using it back in 2006-2007. Yeah, I remember Linux 2006-2007. You could spend days getting your wifi working. Kmail was getting worse and worse, to the point where I had to create a daemon to zap any dbus-daemon instances that stayed above 95% CPU for 5 seconds. You controlled processes with /etc/rc.d/rc3.d no waitaminute upstart no /etc/rc.d/rc3.d ... Very soon after, the completely unuseable Kmail2 replaced Kmail, and the ridiculous Gnome3 replaced Gnome2. Perhaps instead you're longing for Linux circa 1999. Half the time you couldn't see your monitor, and ethernet devices could be iffy. Even the Intel EEpro100 required wizardly incantations to run. And when you clicked something in a GUI program, the mouse pointer didn't change, so you didn't know whether the computer heard your last click and was thinking, didn't hear your last click, or was just hung. Today's Linux works remarkably well. And if you install the right wm/de, forego a display manager, and strongarm your wired Internet static IP addresses with a shellscript, it can be as DIY as it was in 2006 or 1999, but unlike those times, it can come to your rescue when you need. > Like Windows, Linux is now > allowing advertising to pass through, with the disadvantage of a > nightmare whenever a package fails to install. I'm not sure what the preceding two points have to each other. I don't get any advertising unless I'm Internet browsing. I'm not sure what one would need to do to his Linux to allow advertising to come to his command line or wordprocessor. Yeah, packages fail on all distros. That's why you have Qemu and Docker. When I switched to Void, for 9 months I couldn't compile my books to make a living. No sweat, I ran a Ubuntu VM just to compile my books and nothing else. VMs and containers give you that last bit of power you need when things don't compile. > The uneasy feeling that the time to go back to my old days of using MS > Windows is getting more frequent. So go. No sweat off my petunias. You know, Ed, you're a nice guy, but your lack of emotional control makes you a pain in the ass on the mailing list. So for the second time, I set procmail to send messages I receive from you to /dev/null. SteveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Fwd: Maintenance and Development of new Devuan Releases
Hi, Edward Bartolo wrote: > [RANT; if you hate rants, don't read it] > > Linux is getting exaspirating... It is not definitely the Linux I knew > when I started using it back in 2006-2007. Like Windows, Linux is now > allowing advertising to pass through, with the disadvantage of a > nightmare whenever a package fails to install. > > I asked, supposedly on a development mailing list, but nobody knows > how my problem can be solved! The only presented advice was to enable > multiarch, something that I always did whenever I wanted wine. The > problem is a library, libwine:i386, but that clashes with other > packages. Hi Edward, First, although you didn't specify, I think your rant may be about Debian/Devuan Linux as your reference to package conflicts sounds specific to debian package management system. Yes, your issue sounds like some administration, some hands-on required, in the complexities of the package system, however I would assume this is well visited territory and many people have succeeded in installing wine under multiarch. There is always some assembly required with Debian, compared to Ubuntu. > The uneasy feeling that the time to go back to my old days of using MS > Windows is getting more frequent. Sorry, but a tool that cannot be > used whenever the need arises is useless. Sometimes you can't escape the engineering details, in this case in the package system, with its dependency graphs. So you either take time to figure it out yourself, or hire someone to help you, or find a Linux distribution where wine is better integrated. I'm not in love with all of debian's choices, but multiarch is something amazing, and getting all the software from volunteers paying nothing for it is freaking amazing. Probably you are ranting, but consider soberly and you will understand that for easy gratification, getting precompiled software is pretty freaking awesome compared to compiling it yourself. I like gobolinux package system a lot more, but that is irrelevent. The cumulative investment in creating packages and providing repositories and infrastructure to deliver debian/devuan/ubuntu/etc packages is enormous. I prefer to install my own perl, but when I couldnt compile Tk, great to have the debian package available. > An elegant solution would be to build the wine, wine32, wine64 > executables to hold all the required libraries but climbing Olympus > Mons on Mars without a spacesuite seems a lesser challenge. Now that VMs are so available, it's worth fooling around with various distributions to see how they handle wine and multiarch. When I was a kid, you had to reboot your system to try another OS. These days you can even install linux distributions on your android phone.[1] But you shouldn't have to jump ship to another linux distribution or to windows, just face the weirdnesses of the package dependency graph, or perhaps a requirement to recompile something. If you can reproduce the problematic behavior and describe it, a bug report is a helpful contribution. 1. https://termux.com/ > [/RANT] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
