Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On 10.03.2017 07:30, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just finished an extensive and complete document on installing, > modifying and using the Surf browser, and judging from yesterday's > biggest thread, not a moment too soon. Having a little package that glues them all together, to have a small tabbed browser out of the box. One important thing for me is automatic session save/restore, and a way to quickly stash away open tabs (like onetab for chrome does). --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:11:05 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20170313171105.296b8...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:32:58 + > KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:20:42PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:10:00 -0400 > > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > > > I have found two browser-related devuan packages that have surf > > > > in their names. > > > > > > > > surf > > > > netsurf > > > > > > > > Is either of them relted to the surf you are documenting? > > > > > > Yes. The Surf I've documented is installed by the surf package. > > > The more experience I get with Surf, the more I believe that the > > > package should be installed only as a "hello world" exercise, but > > > later uninstalled and replaced by a custom configured > > > make_clean;make;make_install installation. All Suckless Tools > > > software is configured by modifying the config.h file and then > > > recompiling, meaning that the user can't modify any behavior the > > > package bestows. > > > > Hi, > > > > I would actually suggest to recompile surf using the deb-src in the > > repos. This is much cleaner, and results in a new .deb package that > > can be installed and removed safely. > > Yeah, that'll work as long as Debian didn't mess with Suckless' > source, and as long as it compiles to surf-0.7. And tabbed should > compile to 0.6. ..one thing we should have learned by now, is preparing for the worst, assume they _will_ mess with watever hurts us the most at the worst time, and plan ahead to squash any such scheme. > You mentioned safe removal. Tabbed, Surf and Dmenu all have a "make > uninstall" option that removes all their executables and shellscripts > from the directories "make install" put them in. And the beauty of > these installations is they contain no .so or other libraries, so for > the most part uninstallation is simply the removal of executables. ..the problem with those old ways, is they don't even try to prevent name space etc conflicts. Debian etc systemd people will need to work hard to kill off dpkg and apt, if we keep our own git record of these handy. Do we? > So whether you're the kind of person who likes making your own > packages, or the kind who just wants to get down to business, these > three Suckless tools are just what the doctor ordered. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:32:58 + KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:20:42PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:10:00 -0400 > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > I have found two browser-related devuan packages that have surf > > > in their names. > > > > > > surf > > > netsurf > > > > > > Is either of them relted to the surf you are documenting? > > > > Yes. The Surf I've documented is installed by the surf package. The > > more experience I get with Surf, the more I believe that the > > package should be installed only as a "hello world" exercise, but > > later uninstalled and replaced by a custom configured > > make_clean;make;make_install installation. All Suckless Tools > > software is configured by modifying the config.h file and then > > recompiling, meaning that the user can't modify any behavior the > > package bestows. > > Hi, > > I would actually suggest to recompile surf using the deb-src in the > repos. This is much cleaner, and results in a new .deb package that > can be installed and removed safely. Yeah, that'll work as long as Debian didn't mess with Suckless' source, and as long as it compiles to surf-0.7. And tabbed should compile to 0.6. You mentioned safe removal. Tabbed, Surf and Dmenu all have a "make uninstall" option that removes all their executables and shellscripts from the directories "make install" put them in. And the beauty of these installations is they contain no .so or other libraries, so for the most part uninstallation is simply the removal of executables. So whether you're the kind of person who likes making your own packages, or the kind who just wants to get down to business, these three Suckless tools are just what the doctor ordered. SteveT Steve Litt March 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:20:42PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:10:00 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I have found two browser-related devuan packages that have surf in > > their names. > > > > surf > > netsurf > > > > Is either of them relted to the surf you are documenting? > > Yes. The Surf I've documented is installed by the surf package. The more > experience I get with Surf, the more I believe that the package should > be installed only as a "hello world" exercise, but later uninstalled > and replaced by a custom configured make_clean;make;make_install > installation. All Suckless Tools software is configured by modifying > the config.h file and then recompiling, meaning that the user can't > modify any behavior the package bestows. Hi, I would actually suggest to recompile surf using the deb-src in the repos. This is much cleaner, and results in a new .deb package that can be installed and removed safely. Actually, I have already put together a minimal howto on that (thanks to one of the Devuan users on our IRC channel, who tried the steps while I was writing down the material). I should put it somewhere, maybe on dev1galaxy? It's based on surf, but most of the material can be reused to compile other packages as well. I should just polish it a bit. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:10:00 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > I have found two browser-related devuan packages that have surf in > their names. > > surf > netsurf > > Is either of them relted to the surf you are documenting? Yes. The Surf I've documented is installed by the surf package. The more experience I get with Surf, the more I believe that the package should be installed only as a "hello world" exercise, but later uninstalled and replaced by a custom configured make_clean;make;make_install installation. All Suckless Tools software is configured by modifying the config.h file and then recompiling, meaning that the user can't modify any behavior the package bestows. SteveT Steve Litt March 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 07:10:00PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I have found two browser-related devuan packages that have surf in > their names. > > surf > netsurf > > Is either of them relted to the surf you are documenting? > Hi Hendrik, you should use the package "surf". The default version in jessie is 0.6, but I would warmly suggest you to get the 0.7, e.g. from jessie-backports. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
I have found two browser-related devuan packages that have surf in their names. surf netsurf Is either of them relted to the surf you are documenting? -- hendrik On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 01:30:02AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just finished an extensive and complete document on installing, > modifying and using the Surf browser, and judging from yesterday's > biggest thread, not a moment too soon. > > You can see the doc here: http://troubleshooters.com/linux/surf.htm > > With this document, you can make an incredibly stable and lightweight > browser for general purpose browsing, and save the hogs (Chromium, > Firefox, Palemoon, and qupzilla) for those few things that won't work > with Surf. > > This browser works great for anyone who: > > 1) Isn't afraid to run the make command after editing a >self-explanatory file > > 2) Doesn't prioritize pretty to the exclusion of functionality > > 3) Is willing to change the way [s]he works just a little > > Hey, don't get me wrong: I still use Chromium for Google maps (Google > put Halloween code in Google Maps to favor Chromium), financial > transactions, and youtube videos with addresses starting with youtu.be, > but by using Surf for the vast majority of my work, I prevent Chromium > from dragging my computer down in the quicksand. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:12:57 -0500 Haines Brown wrote: > Why do we need PDFs? In my case, I must load files into a database > that works with PDF, not with HTML. > > I am aware of effective conversion tools, but a one-click Save As PDF > saves the HTML file being viewed as PDF and puts just one file where I > need it to move it to the database. > > Haines Hi Haines, Use Rick's solution. Make a PDF printer that shows up in your list of printers when you print something. Then, whenever you want to convert a web page to PDF, just press Ctrl+Shift+p, and a printer interaction dialog box pops up. Choose the PDF printer and bang, you're done. A long, long time ago I knew how to make a PDF printer from Samba. I'm pretty sure it was in Samba Unleashed. But Rick's idea is doubtlessly more modern and probably more reliable and doesn't require yet another daemon. SteveT Steve Litt February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 02:32:35PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:22:43 +0100 > Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:05:44 -0800 > > Rick Moen wrote: > > > > > Quoting Haines Brown (hai...@histomat.net): > > > > > > > Your instruction are in HTML format, and so naturally in Firefox I > > > > clicked to Save as PDF. In fact, most of my work on line uses that > > > > facility. But in your instruction I could not find any reference > > > > to it. Any hope for me? > > > > > > Set up cups-pdf. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cups-pdf > > > > > > Why not save as plain html? Steves files display nicely, entirely w/o > > stylesheets. > > Wow, it does render pretty well without linuxlibrary.css: I'm surprised. > > But Haines is right: With a failed link to linuxlibrary.css, some of > the page becomes ambiguous. For instance, see the top of the section > called "Installing Tabbed". The first line says "NOTE:", and then > paragraphs follow. With linuxlibrary.css enabled, "NOTE:" becomes a > title in a colored box, and the first and only first paragraph is > inside that box. Without the CSS, you don't know where the note stops > and the body text begins. > > With the CSS, every line or sequence of lines with source code shows in > a light blue box, for more instant recognizeability. Another example: > In the section called "Integrating Tabbed and Surf With Other > Programs", the second paragraph is the word "Danger!". Without CSS, > it's just followed by a bunch of paragraphs: What the heck does > "Danger!" mean? With the CSS, the word "Danger!" is the centered title > of a garishly colored, impossible to miss box, and the following > paragraph is the text of what's dangerous. The CSS is necessary for > clarity of purpose. > > I don't know why Haines needs a local copy at all (Internet not > available sometimes?), but if he does, HTML sans linuxlibrary.css > doesn't just lose pretty, it also loses some meaning and clarity. That > meaning would be better preserved by conversion of the web version to > PDF, and printing to a CUPS printer would probably do just what's > needed for a local copy. Can't you just have a local copy of linuxlibrary.css as well? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
Why do we need PDFs? In my case, I must load files into a database that works with PDF, not with HTML. I am aware of effective conversion tools, but a one-click Save As PDF saves the HTML file being viewed as PDF and puts just one file where I need it to move it to the database. Haines ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:22:43 +0100 Florian Zieboll wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:05:44 -0800 > Rick Moen wrote: > > > Quoting Haines Brown (hai...@histomat.net): > > > > > Your instruction are in HTML format, and so naturally in Firefox I > > > clicked to Save as PDF. In fact, most of my work on line uses that > > > facility. But in your instruction I could not find any reference > > > to it. Any hope for me? > > > > Set up cups-pdf. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cups-pdf > > > Why not save as plain html? Steves files display nicely, entirely w/o > stylesheets. Wow, it does render pretty well without linuxlibrary.css: I'm surprised. But Haines is right: With a failed link to linuxlibrary.css, some of the page becomes ambiguous. For instance, see the top of the section called "Installing Tabbed". The first line says "NOTE:", and then paragraphs follow. With linuxlibrary.css enabled, "NOTE:" becomes a title in a colored box, and the first and only first paragraph is inside that box. Without the CSS, you don't know where the note stops and the body text begins. With the CSS, every line or sequence of lines with source code shows in a light blue box, for more instant recognizeability. Another example: In the section called "Integrating Tabbed and Surf With Other Programs", the second paragraph is the word "Danger!". Without CSS, it's just followed by a bunch of paragraphs: What the heck does "Danger!" mean? With the CSS, the word "Danger!" is the centered title of a garishly colored, impossible to miss box, and the following paragraph is the text of what's dangerous. The CSS is necessary for clarity of purpose. I don't know why Haines needs a local copy at all (Internet not available sometimes?), but if he does, HTML sans linuxlibrary.css doesn't just lose pretty, it also loses some meaning and clarity. That meaning would be better preserved by conversion of the web version to PDF, and printing to a CUPS printer would probably do just what's needed for a local copy. SteveT Steve Litt February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 01:00:15PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:36:34 +0100 > > > > No discussion intended, but you might want to have another look at > > free and libre OpenStreetMap: https://osm.org/ > > > > Runs like a charm in /every/ not-textonly browser and is, at least for > > most of my use cases, superior in many, many details. > > I think OpenStreetMap is a European Thang. Here in the US, it can't > match addresses to locations. It also has no way of custom-changing a > route, which IIRC is the only thing that Google Maps couldn't do in > Surf. And, as expected, it has neither Street View, Satellite View, nor > store locations. Well, it may have started in the UK, but it is now very international. It mainly depends on local people maintaining their areas, and there is a very active contingent in the USA. But there are areas which are not well mapped, and it sounds as if you have sampled one such. OSM is very often far superior to Google maps with much more detail, up to date, and better accuracy. But the coverage is uneven. OSM is very much open in the same sense as devuan, so what about improving your area if it is not so well mapped? I hope this is not getting too far off topic. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 01:30:02AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just finished an extensive and complete document on installing, > modifying and using the Surf browser, and judging from yesterday's > biggest thread, not a moment too soon. > > You can see the doc here: http://troubleshooters.com/linux/surf.htm > Hi Steve, great piece of doc. I just don't get why you say that surf does not support SSL, or that you can't figure out how to enable it. Actually, you don't have to enable anything: SSL/TLS support is enabled by default in surf (well, in WebKit), and there is no easy way to disable it. You can easily tell whether a page is using SSL by looking at the "T" flag in the indicator of web page (the two letters that you have after the ":" in the surf status bar). It you see a "T", you are using SSL. Another little thing that is missing altogether from your doc (which is, again, very good for the beginner) is the usage of a proxy, which can be very handful, and is as easy as launching surf with: http_proxy="socks5://localhost:5000" tabbed surf -e assuming that your socks5 proxy is on localhost:5000. It also works with other sorts of proxies, but the socks5 one is somehow a special case, since one can be created by using no more than: ssh -D 5000 the.server.adress Oh, and when surf is using a proxy, the second letter of the indicator of the webpage (again, the two letters after the ":" in the status bar) will be a P :) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:05:44 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Haines Brown (hai...@histomat.net): > > > Your instruction are in HTML format, and so naturally in Firefox I > > clicked to Save as PDF. In fact, most of my work on line uses that > > facility. But in your instruction I could not find any reference to > > it. Any hope for me? > > Set up cups-pdf. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cups-pdf Why not save as plain html? Steves files display nicely, entirely w/o stylesheets. For PDF: The static version of wkhtmltopdf [1] can convert links (internal/external) and create a PDF index. It's quite powerful (see documentation), alas not perfect with page breaks. libre Grüße, Florian [1] http://wkhtmltopdf.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYw8HqAAoJEO5FSXn+RB/WhhgP/i9x7qHZc5rKGeMg5mAH+DvK /PhZqnz03LjslW0BU6JEMsaZ/kJgZLWdcmRk9Km0ZCekA9vJ+F8Bskz9+S3RtTFM ymkwGmg8iQEOtClqvSPKVS0AXLsk/AvmHyk68lsOR6jEYulfwBDzSXdSF+cSp4k6 Dzre4tToa8+gNFEq7DrsbSWxaarB9j20LPzT80grvMJF/vezr10+HXYFaZ43uNbw AYom3KPk+rq0LQ1NzfzgI43bqW+L4mSOWQ1SRulUOay9/qTX+EjxYDEtJxRJznii EcRch1qnE0VA0rIunD/JCObaOP6BobaFT2Q/GQBly3c8h/mEp7CTevemCgCuM4aB I47Ilo4ZRo5jbhItcVM83f0AZCDWjJ++fqkgI6FTXt6nF28jNXRKBAOmOtSe7J3v uAQzcLwIF4uWGq5Itsj4NsHNALK9QcjEkKV/WiiJf5TdpIqpf2uDiDJ1nlkHhpgV O1zX07bX/1XnkCkcPn3RZQBQNs4IbK2ht4qP5XkORW0j/MxCAkAr4tZLqWIcggSC u6rz70AWqnjoYeub7x4dZ+9TADtqzl5Q1ilC4YAglmdLRfBC9KXPj7FA+1CNkbeN hutFtRRBzqF5LikqRA3G3erxl6iYhMRolEfsWtybu8RDl1JDDr52RX0UZrrPMRo3 ze+RUTuKF53VJu3QY3Af =rhjl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
Quoting Haines Brown (hai...@histomat.net): > Your instruction are in HTML format, and so naturally in Firefox I > clicked to Save as PDF. In fact, most of my work on line uses that > facility. But in your instruction I could not find any reference to it. > Any hope for me? Set up cups-pdf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cups-pdf ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
Steve, your documentation much appreciated. I'm been toying with a migration to Surf, and was frustrated by not knowing how to do the simplest things. Now I'll give it another. Your instruction are in HTML format, and so naturally in Firefox I clicked to Save as PDF. In fact, most of my work on line uses that facility. But in your instruction I could not find any reference to it. Any hope for me? Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:00:15 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: Hi Steve, > I think OpenStreetMap is a European Thang. That's very well possible, as I've never left this continent yet... But surprisingly, here I often find more accurate information (and even the smallest dirt track) on osm. > nor store locations. Not being listed on osm should become a criterion for exclusion^^ Have a nice weekend! Florian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYwvCSAAoJEO5FSXn+RB/WVdsP/1xiZgT2Bw1l6mc/af34mZsa VvISNYtmhG9RzbCrBGHul9ioz0zXzoOZ3Td3lyIfduV55uwf3f9k0Wbeg37R2MoJ UkLdDvDPY4/NeMWq03gWzrclbuYRkckKZj89UfSQGHlnc8d4NP4OywbyiA82hkFI R03zOLtQZQLSJqzGHo1iNrf7nO8e0SdWKU9Xwr/I7r2gGVF/XbfjeKOnYZYo1Y2A iicQ+TAodQJkS8kA39aMf+YEm/4dJAx8MtuQ2lRSUJJFQmZYska7OxK5Ki/YDxWu rtXD640Di6Q1rLvjWkpgmhVittCMzpq2C2eSu5+Uqj92fW/dpQ2NrZG+SyRoeAhK kiJZxzPbt38Nmk+NScmuA8pD9wLEVyBYbrHU1p3IDoGsQUSQPq1U5dAa8XI/L/5W 0HvRYqL2b//9rH/e9n6w1rhwMadsiN9OMGbGMVF2B7lIZVUudYxB153qroixqvUB Q09Apjjbm2ggcyVNCUT0JfGjEqxXTsHhCf4fcvc/pcrOguMe3YYq4p3LYhp8EMQG CSvXE+bjoWOLbFSHkLx9a4gJMPTF0iXeMfcf/T58PHcVL48L4rA4KsQDAHRUlkdB mtGIDvsDPdo2v3PQuR8yyH1hJDr8/CrmjqO5bsQ/2pNM4mRoefMjXpC9ckPv4zVS ExkSeFXMWVAvMN5mpBty =RAex -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:36:34 +0100 Florian Zieboll wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:30:02 -0500 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > I still use Chromium for Google maps > > No discussion intended, but you might want to have another look at > free and libre OpenStreetMap: https://osm.org/ > > Runs like a charm in /every/ not-textonly browser and is, at least for > most of my use cases, superior in many, many details. I think OpenStreetMap is a European Thang. Here in the US, it can't match addresses to locations. It also has no way of custom-changing a route, which IIRC is the only thing that Google Maps couldn't do in Surf. And, as expected, it has neither Street View, Satellite View, nor store locations. Nevertheless, I'll be using OpenStreetMap as often as possible, because Google makes the world a worse place. Thanks for the information. SteveT Steve Litt February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:30:02 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > I still use Chromium for Google maps No discussion intended, but you might want to have another look at free and libre OpenStreetMap: https://osm.org/ Runs like a charm in /every/ not-textonly browser and is, at least for most of my use cases, superior in many, many details. libre Grüße, Florian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYwtYaAAoJEO5FSXn+RB/WLgkP/jigidru44FGzGDOzLoccawl ysbCIG3u02IfQ1R/mPJIvjCR7d68biZtL+OVfV8h5uK27opJPvNQ1EFVOskZdA9o aga6ITMhkT8jmGuKdxVBm23pw8GlS7ORcWmUXhAzJVWQv+Yciqb3BzmfzPGemHZs eLMc9nIRVuIsuK8i5vbHk3o0Um8PPrc7qU6BvXQdWO9gAK6Aj0eISgut3EePQJ2U SE3bZNNWpJPjyRJRBwB0mXvXhN6MP8ALNX92NE/NqyWrXlgLn+Qv9lXs7TKfzDQO TNaZMDjspFj5yPC9XGIGBPPE5r8roZgxppEpXNld4K1AbTScUHH41vmsdJIB/6VF kTiu3OINSbX307jHUDy/B+kQGjpsaDy2nOwaRLREb6homYI+5CY5SuuMKkrrHI4P q5SqCPiLUKL5bF4edvzPG8MuMSkE0Tefw+bFJXYh9Gk1aWX8hNYovITJ/nQGkQtB gJBJibCE5wsT/oqypcS4YyieX70nUvOeieAMFO8Eo3gtomut0pDrCmJPVH+hHUFI yZjdTLc1BLz5Tb7dw+INRQBwmnWmdpK/B3y8YfcVaKUIKDNHtUYrarRN4Rz5ugo0 svCl+1LAq/NCZ88l+BYwoRN8jHZyzGy0IRTp939PycDhjEYF5xNauPvk5zvC4mAi fdkv0BG72eqv/iQSKtDz =5zv2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
