Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?
On 2020-12-13 08:39, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:31:48PM -0600, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2020-12-12 21:04, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > On 04.12.20 19:43, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > You might want to have a look at Debian's release schedule: > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases > > > > Does Devuan not follow the LTS schedule? > > https://wiki.debian.org/LTS > > Because when Debian Releases X as stable, Devuan needs some time to > follow, as such Devuan stable stays for a while with Debian X-1, which > is then under LTS as oldstable. At least it was with Jessie very much > the case. With Jessie was this a coincidence or is that rather a rule? > > Regards, Adrian. > Yes. That is correct. The lag between Debian stable and the corresponding Devuan stable release is why we recommend using the release name rather that the suite name in /etc/apt/sources.list Please see https://www.devuan.org/os/releases for more information. Where the Devuan release codenames chart sems to be up-to-date, but the examples in the Codenames or suites? section still refer to Beowulf as testing. Which was probably correct "As of this writing" but is no longer correct and potentially confusing. -- hendrik Thanks for catching that, Hendrik! All updated now. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:31:48PM -0600, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2020-12-12 21:04, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > On 04.12.20 19:43, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > > > You might want to have a look at Debian's release schedule: > > > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases > > > > > > > Does Devuan not follow the LTS schedule? > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/LTS > > > > Because when Debian Releases X as stable, Devuan needs some time to > > follow, as such Devuan stable stays for a while with Debian X-1, which > > is then under LTS as oldstable. At least it was with Jessie very much > > the case. With Jessie was this a coincidence or is that rather a rule? > > > > Regards, Adrian. > > > > Yes. That is correct. The lag between Debian stable and the corresponding > Devuan stable release is why we recommend using the release name rather that > the suite name in /etc/apt/sources.list > > Please see https://www.devuan.org/os/releases for more information. Where the Devuan release codenames chart sems to be up-to-date, but the examples in the Codenames or suites? section still refer to Beowulf as testing. Which was probaboly corect "As of this writing" but is no longer correct and potentially confusing. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?
On 2020-12-12 21:04, Adrian Zaugg wrote: On 04.12.20 19:43, goli...@devuan.org wrote: You might want to have a look at Debian's release schedule: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases Does Devuan not follow the LTS schedule? https://wiki.debian.org/LTS Because when Debian Releases X as stable, Devuan needs some time to follow, as such Devuan stable stays for a while with Debian X-1, which is then under LTS as oldstable. At least it was with Jessie very much the case. With Jessie was this a coincidence or is that rather a rule? Regards, Adrian. Yes. That is correct. The lag between Debian stable and the corresponding Devuan stable release is why we recommend using the release name rather that the suite name in /etc/apt/sources.list Please see https://www.devuan.org/os/releases for more information. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?
On 04.12.20 19:43, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > You might want to have a look at Debian's release schedule: > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases > Does Devuan not follow the LTS schedule? https://wiki.debian.org/LTS Because when Debian Releases X as stable, Devuan needs some time to follow, as such Devuan stable stays for a while with Debian X-1, which is then under LTS as oldstable. At least it was with Jessie very much the case. With Jessie was this a coincidence or is that rather a rule? Regards, Adrian. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?
On December 4, 2020 9:17:12 PM UTC, goli...@devuan.org wrote: >On 2020-12-04 14:25, Adam Borowski wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 12:43:25PM -0600, goli...@devuan.org wrote: >>> > I have a lot of systems running ascii and no plan to upgrade them >yet. I >>> > don't want to upgrade when ascii is archived but before. Do you >think 6 >>> > more months of ascii support a safe bet? >>> >>> You might want to have a look at Debian's release schedule: >>> >>> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases >>> >>> Stretch will not go to oldstable status until Bullseye is released >and >>> there >>> is not even release date set yet for that to happen. Devuan's >release >>> of >>> Chimaera will be sometime after Bulleye becomes stable. No way ATM >to >>> guesstimate when in 2021 that will happen. >> >> Stretch has been oldstable for 1.5 years already. >> > >Sorry about that. Of course, I meant Buster . . . > >It's all becoming a bit of a blur these days . . . > >> A guesstimate for Bullseye's release is June, although effect of >> actions to >> shorten freeze time remains to be seen. >> > >And of course, Chimaera will be sometime after that. The more hands on > >deck, the sooner that will happen. > >But currently, as requested, please do what you can to test the >proposed >updates to be included on the Beowulf 3.1 point release. > >golinux > >> >> Meow! > >___ >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Got it! Thanks! So I should keep an eye on Debian to get a hint. -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity.___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?
On 2020-12-04 14:25, Adam Borowski wrote: On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 12:43:25PM -0600, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > I have a lot of systems running ascii and no plan to upgrade them yet. I > don't want to upgrade when ascii is archived but before. Do you think 6 > more months of ascii support a safe bet? You might want to have a look at Debian's release schedule: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases Stretch will not go to oldstable status until Bullseye is released and there is not even release date set yet for that to happen. Devuan's release of Chimaera will be sometime after Bulleye becomes stable. No way ATM to guesstimate when in 2021 that will happen. Stretch has been oldstable for 1.5 years already. Sorry about that. Of course, I meant Buster . . . It's all becoming a bit of a blur these days . . . A guesstimate for Bullseye's release is June, although effect of actions to shorten freeze time remains to be seen. And of course, Chimaera will be sometime after that. The more hands on deck, the sooner that will happen. But currently, as requested, please do what you can to test the proposed updates to be included on the Beowulf 3.1 point release. golinux Meow! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 12:43:25PM -0600, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > I have a lot of systems running ascii and no plan to upgrade them yet. I > > don't want to upgrade when ascii is archived but before. Do you think 6 > > more months of ascii support a safe bet? > > You might want to have a look at Debian's release schedule: > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases > > Stretch will not go to oldstable status until Bullseye is released and there > is not even release date set yet for that to happen. Devuan's release of > Chimaera will be sometime after Bulleye becomes stable. No way ATM to > guesstimate when in 2021 that will happen. Stretch has been oldstable for 1.5 years already. A guesstimate for Bullseye's release is June, although effect of actions to shorten freeze time remains to be seen. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Certified airhead; got the CT scan to prove that! ⠈⠳⣄ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?
On 2020-12-04 02:26, Simon Walter wrote: On 12/4/20 10:47 AM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2020-12-03 19:39, Simon Walter wrote: Hi all, First of all, sorry if I missed this in the docs somewhere. I had a look around the website and particularly https://www.devuan.org/os/releases has no info. When can I expect oldstable to move to archived? I suppose I should keep an eye out for a Chimaera BETA announcement and then change is imminent. Thanks, Simon ___ When chimaera stable 4.0 is released, ascii will become oldoldstable and archived. That won't be happening anytime soon afaik. We do have a beowulf point release in the works. golinux I have a lot of systems running ascii and no plan to upgrade them yet. I don't want to upgrade when ascii is archived but before. Do you think 6 more months of ascii support a safe bet? You might want to have a look at Debian's release schedule: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases Stretch will not go to oldstable status until Bullseye is released and there is not even release date set yet for that to happen. Devuan's release of Chimaera will be sometime after Bulleye becomes stable. No way ATM to guesstimate when in 2021 that will happen. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?
On 12/4/20 10:47 AM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2020-12-03 19:39, Simon Walter wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> First of all, sorry if I missed this in the docs somewhere. I had a look >> around the website and particularly https://www.devuan.org/os/releases >> has no info. >> >> When can I expect oldstable to move to archived? I suppose I should keep >> an eye out for a Chimaera BETA announcement and then change is imminent. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Simon >> ___ >> > > When chimaera stable 4.0 is released, ascii will become oldoldstable > and archived. That won't be happening anytime soon afaik. We do have > a beowulf point release in the works. > > golinux > I have a lot of systems running ascii and no plan to upgrade them yet. I don't want to upgrade when ascii is archived but before. Do you think 6 more months of ascii support a safe bet? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?
On 2020-12-03 19:39, Simon Walter wrote: Hi all, First of all, sorry if I missed this in the docs somewhere. I had a look around the website and particularly https://www.devuan.org/os/releases has no info. When can I expect oldstable to move to archived? I suppose I should keep an eye out for a Chimaera BETA announcement and then change is imminent. Thanks, Simon ___ When chimaera stable 4.0 is released, ascii will become oldoldstable and archived. That won't be happening anytime soon afaik. We do have a beowulf point release in the works. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
