Re: [DNG] Open Letter To Linas Vepstas
* On 2016 01 May 05:04 -0500, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 30/04/2016 23:07, Nate Bargmann a écrit : > > For how long haven't we been reading about and watching various > >videos from FOSS conferences only to realize they're often using the most > >proprietary hardware and software in the world today, AND DAMNED PROUD > >OF IT. > > And you know why they're so proud? Because it is paid by their employer > and it is EXPENSIVE. It hows how much respect their employer has for them. And conversely how little respect they themselves have for Free Software and the community that grew up around it. I suspect for a lot of them it is simply a paycheck. They're told by their employer that they're going to conference X and promoting the company and their project. They put their best face on but lack complete understanding as to why a lot of us get a sour taste when they start their presentation and the second thing they do is show an emulator where a GNU/Linux instance is running. The presentation continues from the proprietary desktop. They're doing a job, nothing more. They have zero understanding of the ethos of Free Software and even less of an understanding of its community while proclaiming themselves its leaders and displaying a palpable disdain for it. Is it any surprise, then, that things have gotten to this point? I do not wish to disparage people working for a paycheck, I do so as well. My focus is on this very narrow aspect that has adversely affected the Free Software systems that I use. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Open Letter To Linas Vepstas
Le 30/04/2016 23:07, Nate Bargmann a écrit : For how long haven't we been reading about and watching various videos from FOSS conferences only to realize they're often using the most proprietary hardware and software in the world today, AND DAMNED PROUD OF IT. And you know why they're so proud? Because it is paid by their employer and it is EXPENSIVE. It hows how much respect their employer has for them. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Open Letter To Linas Vepstas
On 04/30/2016 09:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: The URL*should* be http://troubleshooters.com/linux/avoid_complexity.htm Thanks Lars!!! SteveT If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem... Very good essay, Steve :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Open Letter To Linas Vepstas
A good read. It reminds me of when I assumed windows/ms-dos was the only OS you could install on a PC, many years of ranting and about two of which when I knew that "linux" existed and I finally switched, then changed distro shortly after due to the bloat of the "recommended" newbie distros and all problems went away. Cheers, chillfan On Saturday, April 30, 2016 8:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:59:55 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> A guy named Linas Vepstas wrote this essay/rant: >> >> http://linas.org/?utm_content=buffer5190b >> >> In response, I wrote this Open Letter to Linas Vepstas at: >> >> file:///d/websites/tjunct/linux/avoid_complexity.htm > > The URL *should* be > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/avoid_complexity.htm > > Thanks Lars!!! > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > April 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century > http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Take back your privacy. Switch to www.StartMail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Open Letter To Linas Vepstas
so +1. Thanks. On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 04:07:33PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > While his rant is about a year old, I wonder if things have improved for > him? > > When he discusses GNOME Shell, etc., perhaps what he doesn't realize is > that many of those developers may not be eating their own dog food as it > were. For how long haven't we been reading about and watching various > videos from FOSS conferences only to realize they're often using the most > proprietary hardware and software in the world today, AND DAMNED PROUD > OF IT. It made me sick read yet another developer (sometimes even a > Debian Developer at that) wax on and on about the stuff from that > particular company. > > They're writing code and simply throwing it over the wall to us the > masses these days. It seems to me the Free Desktop.org projects are no > longer led by passionate community developers seeking to build a stable > and usable Free desktop. Nope, they're simply writing code to mimic > their favorite Free Software hostile system but without the integration > and testing necessary for it to actually work as they're told it should. > Well, they're not using what they write on a daily basis so the reported > bugs are easily ignored. > > It's frustrating. > > Until the projects are of, by, and for the community, I don't see the > prognosis improving. It is my hope that Devuan will sustain enough of a > community so that some of the things we had up until a few years ago can > be recovered and retained. I, for one, am not giving in or giving up! > > - Nate > > -- > > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all > possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." > > Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Fernando M. Maresca - - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Open Letter To Linas Vepstas
While his rant is about a year old, I wonder if things have improved for him? When he discusses GNOME Shell, etc., perhaps what he doesn't realize is that many of those developers may not be eating their own dog food as it were. For how long haven't we been reading about and watching various videos from FOSS conferences only to realize they're often using the most proprietary hardware and software in the world today, AND DAMNED PROUD OF IT. It made me sick read yet another developer (sometimes even a Debian Developer at that) wax on and on about the stuff from that particular company. They're writing code and simply throwing it over the wall to us the masses these days. It seems to me the Free Desktop.org projects are no longer led by passionate community developers seeking to build a stable and usable Free desktop. Nope, they're simply writing code to mimic their favorite Free Software hostile system but without the integration and testing necessary for it to actually work as they're told it should. Well, they're not using what they write on a daily basis so the reported bugs are easily ignored. It's frustrating. Until the projects are of, by, and for the community, I don't see the prognosis improving. It is my hope that Devuan will sustain enough of a community so that some of the things we had up until a few years ago can be recovered and retained. I, for one, am not giving in or giving up! - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Open Letter To Linas Vepstas
On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:59:55 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > A guy named Linas Vepstas wrote this essay/rant: > > http://linas.org/?utm_content=buffer5190b > > In response, I wrote this Open Letter to Linas Vepstas at: > > file:///d/websites/tjunct/linux/avoid_complexity.htm The URL *should* be http://troubleshooters.com/linux/avoid_complexity.htm Thanks Lars!!! SteveT Steve Litt April 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
