Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-18 Thread Didier Kryn 

Le 17/04/2017 à 16:54, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult a écrit :

On 17.04.2017 16:37, Joachim Fahrner wrote:

Am 2017-04-17 11:18, schrieb Klaus Ethgen:

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https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644

No further comment needed.

Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)

ROTFL

Stupid question: why does systemd implement a rm command? They sold us
systemd as an init sytem.

Maybe they should just merge in busybox ;-)



Busybox isn't a monolithic system you need to link applications 
against, nor does it force you to depend on it. It *can* be built as a 
single executable, as a conveniency for those who don't want to have 
dynamic libraries in their way. Busybox provides its own init, which is 
not systemd, and it does not force you to use it. You build your own 
Busybox implementing the apps you want and only them.


I guess you didn't intend to introduce any confusion, but it might 
arise from your last sentence.


Cheers.
Didier

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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Joachim Fahrner 

Am 2017-04-17 17:11, schrieb goli...@dyne.org:


 "maybe handover dev of this toy to someone with unix experience"

LOL!


My favourite rant was from Linus Torvalds:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/05/torvalds_sievers_dust_up/

Jochen
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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Steve Litt 
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 16:37:29 +0200
Joachim Fahrner  wrote:

> Am 2017-04-17 11:18, schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
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> > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644
> > 
> > No further comment needed.
> > 
> > Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)  
> 
> ROTFL
> 
> Stupid question: why does systemd implement a rm command? They sold
> us systemd as an init sytem.
> 
> Jochen

I don't mean to seem conceited (actually I'm proud to be conceited),
but I answered this question in June 2016, in a private email to two
individuals. Here's the relevant part that answers your question:

==
What's next? Nobody knows, but it will be something, because
they won't quit until the cat command is dependent on systemd.
==
 
SteveT

Steve Litt 
April 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
 of the Successful Technologist
http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread golinux 

On 2017-04-17 11:22, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:

On 17.04.2017 17:11, goli...@dyne.org wrote:

The best response submitted to this bug has been removed but I saved 
it

and posted to #devuan.  Poster was Buzzsomething:

 "maybe handover dev of this toy to someone with unix experience"


Ah, that explains why lennart closed the comments.

--mtx
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No that explains why he deleted it.  Closing the comments was overkill.  
Pottypoo's first comment received 51 :thumbsdown:  IMO that's a better 
reason to shut things down.  The name of the commenter quoted above was 
in that list - buzztiaan.


golinux

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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen 

Aldemir Akpinar writes:

It also has the grand finale:

poettering locked and limited conversation to collaborators 2 hours ago


Makes sense. Nothing new was being said, just old stuff repeated, and the 
bug was fixed three weeks ago.


Arnt
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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult 
On 17.04.2017 17:11, goli...@dyne.org wrote:

> The best response submitted to this bug has been removed but I saved it
> and posted to #devuan.  Poster was Buzzsomething:
> 
>  "maybe handover dev of this toy to someone with unix experience"

Ah, that explains why lennart closed the comments.

--mtx

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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread golinux 

On 2017-04-17 04:18, Klaus Ethgen wrote:

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https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644

No further comment needed.

Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)

Regards
   Klaus





The best response submitted to this bug has been removed but I saved it 
and posted to #devuan.  Poster was Buzzsomething:


 "maybe handover dev of this toy to someone with unix experience"

LOL!

golinux

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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult 
On 17.04.2017 16:37, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> Am 2017-04-17 11:18, schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
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>> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644
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>> No further comment needed.
>>
>> Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)
> 
> ROTFL
> 
> Stupid question: why does systemd implement a rm command? They sold us
> systemd as an init sytem.

Maybe they should just merge in busybox ;-)


--mtx

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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Joachim Fahrner 

Am 2017-04-17 11:18, schrieb Klaus Ethgen:

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https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644

No further comment needed.

Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)


ROTFL

Stupid question: why does systemd implement a rm command? They sold us 
systemd as an init sytem.


Jochen
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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Aldemir Akpinar 
On 17 April 2017 at 12:18, Klaus Ethgen  wrote:

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> Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)
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> Regards
>Klaus
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It also has the grand finale:

poettering  locked and limited conversation
to collaborators 2 hours ago


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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Dan Purgert 


On 04/17/2017 06:59 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
> bwah!?
> 
> How does one not know that rm will tell you off if you try to do
> something daft like rm -rf  ?
> 
> I mean, yeah, maybe it was a pitfall a few decades ago, when computers
> were handled by "trained professionals" ...
> 
> On 04/17/2017 05:18 AM, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
>> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644
>>
>> No further comment needed.
>>
>> Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)
>>
>> Regards
>>Klaus


Hm, that's interesting, seems I torched some setting in my mail client
and now it's decided to top post.  My apologies for missing that.



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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Dan Purgert 
bwah!?

How does one not know that rm will tell you off if you try to do
something daft like rm -rf  ?

I mean, yeah, maybe it was a pitfall a few decades ago, when computers
were handled by "trained professionals" ...

On 04/17/2017 05:18 AM, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644
> 
> No further comment needed.
> 
> Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)
> 
> Regards
>Klaus
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