Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Neo Futur d...@ww7.be wrote: Same here I accept it on my mageia laptop, i dont really care the nsa knowing everything of me ( they already have http://leaksource.info/2013/12/30/nsas-ant-division-catalog-of-exploits-for-nearly-every-major-software-hardware-firmware/ ) , but, for the sake of my customers, I will never ever accept this on the dedicated servers i m paid to mange by customers trusting me. You're forgetting sysadmins (and their gadgets) are interesting targets[1] as well. true, and one of the main reasons why I need (and donated to ) devuan . ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
On 04/06/2015 06:10 AM, Neo Futur wrote: I certainly would not put it on server without serious thought, but I do not think that I would be overly concerned about it on the desktop. Same here I accept it on my mageia laptop, i dont really care the nsa knowing everything of me ( they already have http://leaksource.info/2013/12/30/nsas-ant-division-catalog-of-exploits-for-nearly-every-major-software-hardware-firmware/ ) , but, for the sake of my customers, I will never ever accept this on the dedicated servers I'm paid to manage by customers trusting me. If you manage those servers from your desktop, then from a security perspective, that desktop is a single point of failure. If there was a keylogger on there, plus someone could read your private keys, how safe would your server infrastructure be? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
-Original Message- From: neofu...@ww7.be [mailto:neofu...@ww7.be] On Behalf Of Neo Futur Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 11:10 PM To: T.J. Duchene Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated! I m a gentoo and mageia user ( but I donated half a bitcoin to devuan because I need devuan ) , and I can tell you the behaviour of mageia developpers is the same, I also exereinced the same nazi behaviou on archlinux irc channel. [T.J. ] I've never had a high opinion of Arch. It was probably the worst tested Linux I've met in the last few years. I found it to be unacceptably buggy. so i m not surprised debian developpers have this attitude. imo there no systemd level, as it is imposed in politics and geopolitics all over the world.joke at all here, the same whataboutism is imposed in the linux world at the what is real bad is the denial of our right to disagree and state our opinions and choices, and not only in the linux world ( sorry I stopped saying GNU/linux until stallman finally moves his ass in this freedom war ) another real bad thing is this kind of backdoor, these kinds of vulnerabilities turning exploitable in the future which would be impossible to spot at the source level without this knowledge. [T.J. ] All of Linux-dom seems to have that same attitude problem in my experience. Debian had internal problems long before systemd. It might be considered heresy to say this, but I respect Richard Stallman, frankly, I do not take him seriously anymore. I do not think that his opinion carries the weight it used to with many people. As for the page address, that is not a backdoor, that is a flaw on an old kernel, that as far as I can tell is local only. You have to have access to the machine to exploit it, you can just as easily reboot the machine into a maintenace state and change whatever you see fit, without wasting your time on a local exploit. As for SELinux, I have never actually met anyone who uses it. There are other, far less annoying security modules. Same here I accept it on my mageia laptop, i dont really care the nsa knowing everything of me ( they already have ) , but, for the sake of my customers, I will never ever accept this on the dedicated servers i m paid to mange by customers trusting me. [T.J. ] I don't get it. If you don't feel comfortable trusting commercial firmware, don’t use it. Quite frankly, I think you are overestimating what they can do. If owners properly maintained and updated their gear, there would not be large exploits for them to take advantage of. Then again, if they stopped using all that wireless and cell crap, security would increase immeasurably. You really do not think that you can broadcast an omni-drectional signal and expect no one else do pick it up, do you? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 18:25:15 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that myself, except that RedHat is paying Poettering. ISTR that RedHat makes its money from selling support; so it makes sense for them to make Linux more complicated, and in a way that what we have learned over the years to keep our boxes running suddenly become unusable, no ? And suddenly everyone has to buy support from RH... Cheers, Ron. -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true. -- James Branch Cabell -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 19:56:01 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 18:25:15 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that myself, except that RedHat is paying Poettering. ISTR that RedHat makes its money from selling support; so it makes sense for them to make Linux more complicated, and in a way that what we have learned over the years to keep our boxes running suddenly become unusable, no ? And suddenly everyone has to buy support from RH... I find that a very plausible motive. They say Hanlons Razor. I say Follow the Money. And by the way, this making Secure Boot optional plays into Red Hat's hand perfectly. SteveT Steve Litt Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
You're s demotivating! Systemd was never a problem, it's wonderful, you're just a troll! Just go with the program and use it: This is the 21st century, so we need a 21st century init system. Systemd is modular, it's comprised of nothing but modules. I think Don Armstrong should kick you off of Debian-User. If you don't like Debian, make your own! Systemd, the Linux Mutilator. It's got what trolls crave. It's got electrolytes. http://www.brawndo.com/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 10:01:30PM +0200, Anto wrote: [cut] I keep my accounts on Debian in case they change their mind in the future, just like they did before in switching to eglibc and then went back again to glibc :) Oh wait...! What will happen to Devuan if that would happen? Well, we will fork again, just to give the users the right to install systemd ;P HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
On 04/04/15 21:49, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 09:11:06 -0700 Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: I just unsubscribed from debian-user! It was time to say good-bye and move on . . . ___ Dng mailing list Go Linux, You're s demotivating! Systemd was never a problem, it's wonderful, you're just a troll! Just go with the program and use it: This is the 21st century, so we need a 21st century init system. Systemd is modular, it's comprised of nothing but modules. I think Don Armstrong should kick you off of Debian-User. If you don't like Debian, make your own! Oh wait, you resigned, Don Armstrong can't fire you. Oh wait, you *are* making your own. :-) :-) :-) For all of you not familiar with Debian-User, my reply was a humorous parody of what happens on Debian-User every time somebody questions the devine wisdom of systemd. Congrats, Go Linux! SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance I keep my accounts on Debian in case they change their mind in the future, just like they did before in switching to eglibc and then went back again to glibc :) Oh wait...! What will happen to Devuan if that would happen? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:01:30 +0200 Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: I keep my accounts on Debian in case they change their mind in the future, just like they did before in switching to eglibc and then went back again to glibc :) Oh wait...! What will happen to Devuan if that would happen? I'll answer your question with another question: Who has all the developers who really are developers, not packagers? Who has the smartest people? Who truly understands the init process, and for that matter, the entire Linux underpinnings? Answer those three questions, and I think it gives you a good hint as to who will survive. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 09:11:06 -0700 Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: I just unsubscribed from debian-user! It was time to say good-bye and move on . . . ___ Dng mailing list Go Linux, You're s demotivating! Systemd was never a problem, it's wonderful, you're just a troll! Just go with the program and use it: This is the 21st century, so we need a 21st century init system. Systemd is modular, it's comprised of nothing but modules. I think Don Armstrong should kick you off of Debian-User. If you don't like Debian, make your own! Oh wait, you resigned, Don Armstrong can't fire you. Oh wait, you *are* making your own. :-) :-) :-) For all of you not familiar with Debian-User, my reply was a humorous parody of what happens on Debian-User every time somebody questions the devine wisdom of systemd. Congrats, Go Linux! SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
