Re: [DNSOP] Moving WG documents forward

2021-07-31 Thread Benno Overeinder

On 31/07/2021 18:38, Paul Hoffman wrote:

On Jul 31, 2021, at 4:45 AM, Benno Overeinder  wrote:

For the individual drafts, the DNSOP chairs will contact the authors and 
discuss the way forward with the WG.


During the meeting, there was a call for more transparency, and co-chair Tim 
strongly agreed with it.

Please strongly consider reversing those two steps: discuss the way forward 
with the WG, *then* contact the authors (who should be following the WG 
anyway...). In the unlikely-but-possible case where the WG wants to move 
forward on a draft and none of the current authors want to do so, the chairs 
can ask the list for new volunteer editors.



Agree that the WG determines what happens to a document and that is 
discussed by the WG, that is clear. It was merely a sign of courtesy to 
contact the authors of the document first to let them know that it will 
be discussed.



-- Benno

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Re: [DNSOP] Moving WG documents forward

2021-07-31 Thread Василий Долматов


> 31 июля 2021 г., в 19:38, Paul Hoffman  написал(а):
> 
> On Jul 31, 2021, at 4:45 AM, Benno Overeinder  wrote:
>> For the individual drafts, the DNSOP chairs will contact the authors and 
>> discuss the way forward with the WG.
> 
> During the meeting, there was a call for more transparency, and co-chair Tim 
> strongly agreed with it.
> 
> Please strongly consider reversing those two steps: discuss the way forward 
> with the WG, *then* contact the authors (who should be following the WG 
> anyway...). In the unlikely-but-possible case where the WG wants to move 
> forward on a draft and none of the current authors want to do so, the chairs 
> can ask the list for new volunteer editors. 
Funny thing when authors are alive, but cannot understand the reason why draft 
is silently postponed until no time…

Really more transparency is welcome…


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[DNSOP] Moving WG documents forward

2021-07-31 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jul 31, 2021, at 4:45 AM, Benno Overeinder  wrote:
> For the individual drafts, the DNSOP chairs will contact the authors and 
> discuss the way forward with the WG.

During the meeting, there was a call for more transparency, and co-chair Tim 
strongly agreed with it.

Please strongly consider reversing those two steps: discuss the way forward 
with the WG, *then* contact the authors (who should be following the WG 
anyway...). In the unlikely-but-possible case where the WG wants to move 
forward on a draft and none of the current authors want to do so, the chairs 
can ask the list for new volunteer editors. 

--Paul Hoffman

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Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-private-tld

2021-07-31 Thread Ray Bellis



On 30/07/2021 19:29, Paul Wouters wrote:

> We are seeing the WG dropping actual protocol work because of these
> discussions.
If only we had a working group for discussing DNS Extensions...

Ray

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Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-private-tld

2021-07-31 Thread Benno Overeinder

Hi Paul, Working Group,

On 30/07/2021 20:43, Paul Wouters wrote:


So was draft-ietf-dnsop-delegation-only until it was killed yesterday due to 
lack of time because we had to spend it on political discussions with ISO 
liaisons.


To be clear, the discussion of the poll and priorities was informative 
and no decisions have been made about dropping WG documents yet.  Your 
argument that the document got delayed due to other more pressing drafts 
is acknowledged.


We also hold off the suggestion to raise hands for alt-tld draft in a 
similar way.  The poll helped the discussion, but is only part of the 
discussion.  For the individual drafts, the DNSOP chairs will contact 
the authors and discuss the way forward with the WG.



Best regards,

-- Benno

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