[DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Tim Wicinski]

All,

As we announced in Dallas, we’ve decided to have a separate meeting on 
Special Names and RFC 6761 topics.   We're planning on scheduling this 
the week of April 13th; with Thursday, April 16th as an initial choice.


If folks have any preference for a date, or conflicts with this one, 
please let us know. We plan on having the meeting at 2pm UTC, which 
would translate to 4pm CEST, 10am EST, 7am PST, and 11pm JST.  Other 
suggestions are also welcome-- no time is perfect for everyone but we’re 
trying to accommodate the widest range of participants that we can.


We’re working on a detailed agenda but the initial plan is to attempt to 
address both specific drafts and some of the larger-scale issues we’re 
seeing around the administration of the special-use domain names registry.


thanks
Tim/Suzanne

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[DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Tim Wicinski]

All

We've finalized the Interim Meeting to discuss the questions around RFC 
6761 and the "Special Names" Registry.


Details:

Date: Tuesday, 12 May 2015
Time: 1600-1800 UTC (1200-1400 EDT)


An agenda is coming together, but all drafts that address this issue are 
currently up for discussion



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Drafts:

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lewis-user-assigned-tlds/

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chapin-additional-reserved-tlds/

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld/

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-tld/

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names/

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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[str4d]

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Tim Wicinski wrote:
> All,
> 
> As we announced in Dallas, we’ve decided to have a separate
> meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761 topics.   We're planning on 
> scheduling this the week of April 13th; with Thursday, April 16th 
> as an initial choice.

Thanks for planning this :)

As someone who has an interest in this particular meeting but has
never watched or participated in IETF or DNSOP meetings before, how
will this meeting be conducted? How do people choose to watch or
participate? The only information I can find that might be related is
about IEFT interim meetings [0], but there is no scheduled interim
meeting for this topic [1]. Is there another mailing list or website I
should be following for more information?

[0] https://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim-meetings.html
[1] https://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim.html

> 
> If folks have any preference for a date, or conflicts with this 
> one, please let us know. We plan on having the meeting at 2pm UTC, 
> which would translate to 4pm CEST, 10am EST, 7am PST, and 11pm
> JST. Other suggestions are also welcome-- no time is perfect for 
> everyone but we’re trying to accommodate the widest range of 
> participants that we can.

I haven't seen any further communication (on this ML) about the
meeting, so I assume the specified date and time is still the case?
Friday would work better for me than Thursday (which I can't do at 2pm
UTC), but I'm just one person.

> 
> We’re working on a detailed agenda but the initial plan is to 
> attempt to address both specific drafts and some of the 
> larger-scale issues we’re seeing around the administration of the 
> special-use domain names registry.

Sounds good. I look forward to seeing these issues nailed down.

str4d

> 
> thanks Tim/Suzanne
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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Tim Wicinski]

On 4/8/15 10:48 PM, str4d wrote:

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Tim Wicinski wrote:

All,

As we announced in Dallas, we’ve decided to have a separate
meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761 topics.   We're planning on
scheduling this the week of April 13th; with Thursday, April 16th
as an initial choice.


Thanks for planning this :)

As someone who has an interest in this particular meeting but has
never watched or participated in IETF or DNSOP meetings before, how
will this meeting be conducted? How do people choose to watch or
participate? The only information I can find that might be related is
about IEFT interim meetings [0], but there is no scheduled interim
meeting for this topic [1]. Is there another mailing list or website I
should be following for more information?

[0] https://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim-meetings.html
[1] https://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim.html



Hi

Suzanne and I met earlier today, in an effort to start setting the 
agenda. We both realized between travel and the larger problem space, we 
needed more time to get this right.


We're now proposing the week of May 11th, 2015.  The chairs don't wish 
to inflict meetings on the working group for Monday or Friday.  We are 
considering Thursday, May 14th 1400 UTC, but will welcome any and all 
opinions on this matter.


Suzanne is drafting an initial agenda and should be forthcoming by 
week's end.  Any suggestions for items are welcome.


thanks



If folks have any preference for a date, or conflicts with this
one, please let us know. We plan on having the meeting at 2pm UTC,
which would translate to 4pm CEST, 10am EST, 7am PST, and 11pm
JST. Other suggestions are also welcome-- no time is perfect for
everyone but we’re trying to accommodate the widest range of
participants that we can.


I haven't seen any further communication (on this ML) about the
meeting, so I assume the specified date and time is still the case?
Friday would work better for me than Thursday (which I can't do at 2pm
UTC), but I'm just one person.



We’re working on a detailed agenda but the initial plan is to
attempt to address both specific drafts and some of the
larger-scale issues we’re seeing around the administration of the
special-use domain names registry.


Sounds good. I look forward to seeing these issues nailed down.

str4d



thanks Tim/Suzanne

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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[joel jaeggli]

On 4/8/15 7:48 PM, str4d wrote:
> Tim Wicinski wrote:
>> All,
> 
>> As we announced in Dallas, we’ve decided to have a separate
>> meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761 topics.   We're planning on 
>> scheduling this the week of April 13th; with Thursday, April 16th 
>> as an initial choice.
> 
> Thanks for planning this :)

Dates are actively being looked at, the development of the topic is
taking longer than was anticipated prior to the meeting.

I'm not the chair, but I think we can be assured that there will be an
update soonish and proposed dates will be outside the notification window.

> As someone who has an interest in this particular meeting but has
> never watched or participated in IETF or DNSOP meetings before, how
> will this meeting be conducted? How do people choose to watch or
> participate? The only information I can find that might be related is
> about IEFT interim meetings [0], but there is no scheduled interim
> meeting for this topic [1]. Is there another mailing list or website I
> should be following for more information?
> 
> [0] https://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim-meetings.html
> [1] https://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim.html
> 
> 
>> If folks have any preference for a date, or conflicts with this 
>> one, please let us know. We plan on having the meeting at 2pm UTC, 
>> which would translate to 4pm CEST, 10am EST, 7am PST, and 11pm
>> JST. Other suggestions are also welcome-- no time is perfect for 
>> everyone but we’re trying to accommodate the widest range of 
>> participants that we can.
> 
> I haven't seen any further communication (on this ML) about the
> meeting, so I assume the specified date and time is still the case?
> Friday would work better for me than Thursday (which I can't do at 2pm
> UTC), but I'm just one person.
> 
> 
>> We’re working on a detailed agenda but the initial plan is to 
>> attempt to address both specific drafts and some of the 
>> larger-scale issues we’re seeing around the administration of the 
>> special-use domain names registry.
> 
> Sounds good. I look forward to seeing these issues nailed down.
> 
> str4d
> 
> 
>> thanks Tim/Suzanne
> 
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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Paul Hoffman]

On Apr 8, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Tim Wicinski  wrote:
> We're now proposing the week of May 11th, 2015.  The chairs don't wish to 
> inflict meetings on the working group for Monday or Friday.  We are 
> considering Thursday, May 14th 1400 UTC, but will welcome any and all 
> opinions on this matter.
> 
> Suzanne is drafting an initial agenda and should be forthcoming by week's 
> end.  Any suggestions for items are welcome.

Anything further on this, such as a specific date/time?

--Paul Hoffman
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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Warren Kumari]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Paul Hoffman  wrote:
> On Apr 8, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Tim Wicinski  wrote:
>> We're now proposing the week of May 11th, 2015.  The chairs don't wish to 
>> inflict meetings on the working group for Monday or Friday.  We are 
>> considering Thursday, May 14th 1400 UTC, but will welcome any and all 
>> opinions on this matter.
>>
>> Suzanne is drafting an initial agenda and should be forthcoming by week's 
>> end.  Any suggestions for items are welcome.
>
> Anything further on this, such as a specific date/time?

Hopefully one that will for for those folk who a: live in Europe and /
or b: will be at DNS-OARC and the DNS track at RIPE...

Seeing as Interims are supposed to be announced >=30 days in the
future I'm guessing not the 14th of May...

W


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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Ted Lemon]

On Apr 14, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Warren Kumari  wrote:
> Seeing as Interims are supposed to be announced >=30 days in the
> future I'm guessing not the 14th of May...

If this is a virtual interim two weeks is sufficient.   I thought this _was_ a 
virtual interim.   Not so?

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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[joel jaeggli]

On 4/14/15 6:52 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Apr 14, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Warren Kumari  wrote:
>> Seeing as Interims are supposed to be announced >=30 days in the
>> future I'm guessing not the 14th of May...
> 
> If this is a virtual interim two weeks is sufficient.   I thought this _was_ 
> a virtual interim.   Not so?

It is.

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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Warren Kumari]

On Tuesday, April 14, 2015, Ted Lemon  wrote:

> On Apr 14, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Warren Kumari  > wrote:
> > Seeing as Interims are supposed to be announced >=30 days in the
> > future I'm guessing not the 14th of May...
>
> If this is a virtual interim two weeks is sufficient.   I thought this
> _was_ a virtual interim.   Not so?
>
>
Nah, I got it wrong -- I'd thought it was 30 days for any interim, not only
in person...

My bad.
W


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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Tim Wicinski]

On 4/14/15 2:54 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:

On Apr 8, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Tim Wicinski  wrote:

We're now proposing the week of May 11th, 2015.  The chairs don't wish to 
inflict meetings on the working group for Monday or Friday.  We are considering 
Thursday, May 14th 1400 UTC, but will welcome any and all opinions on this 
matter.

Suzanne is drafting an initial agenda and should be forthcoming by week's end.  
Any suggestions for items are welcome.


Anything further on this, such as a specific date/time?

--Paul Hoffman




We know this is the week of RIPE, which complicates things, but this 
week was the best of a bad lot.


Looking at the RIPE calendar, we have a few suggestions:

1) Tuesday May 12, 1600 UTC (1400 RIPE Local time), 12 Noon EDT, 9am PDT

2) Wednesday May 13, 1600 UTC(1400 RIPE Local time), 12 Noon EDT, 9am PDT

Thursday is out for several reasons.

We are leaning towards 1) Tuesday Slot, unless we hear an overwhelming 
outpouring either way.


Thanks
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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Edward Lewis]

This time, Tim, the time zone math is wrong. ;)  (Referring to a previous
off-list reply.)

1600UTC is 1800 CET (RIPE is in +0200 this time).

On 4/16/15, 15:34, "Tim Wicinski"  wrote:

>
>
>On 4/14/15 2:54 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>> On Apr 8, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Tim Wicinski  wrote:
>>> We're now proposing the week of May 11th, 2015.  The chairs don't wish
>>>to inflict meetings on the working group for Monday or Friday.  We are
>>>considering Thursday, May 14th 1400 UTC, but will welcome any and all
>>>opinions on this matter.
>>>
>>> Suzanne is drafting an initial agenda and should be forthcoming by
>>>week's end.  Any suggestions for items are welcome.
>>
>> Anything further on this, such as a specific date/time?
>>
>> --Paul Hoffman
>>
>
>
>We know this is the week of RIPE, which complicates things, but this
>week was the best of a bad lot.
>
>Looking at the RIPE calendar, we have a few suggestions:
>
>1) Tuesday May 12, 1600 UTC (1400 RIPE Local time), 12 Noon EDT, 9am PDT
>
>2) Wednesday May 13, 1600 UTC(1400 RIPE Local time), 12 Noon EDT, 9am PDT
>
>Thursday is out for several reasons.
>
>We are leaning towards 1) Tuesday Slot, unless we hear an overwhelming
>outpouring either way.
>
>Thanks
>tim
>
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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Tim Wicinski]

I was even referring to http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/ for all my time 
zone calculations.  Sigh.


tim

On 4/16/15 3:47 PM, Edward Lewis wrote:

This time, Tim, the time zone math is wrong. ;)  (Referring to a previous
off-list reply.)

1600UTC is 1800 CET (RIPE is in +0200 this time).

On 4/16/15, 15:34, "Tim Wicinski"  wrote:




On 4/14/15 2:54 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:

On Apr 8, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Tim Wicinski  wrote:

We're now proposing the week of May 11th, 2015.  The chairs don't wish
to inflict meetings on the working group for Monday or Friday.  We are
considering Thursday, May 14th 1400 UTC, but will welcome any and all
opinions on this matter.

Suzanne is drafting an initial agenda and should be forthcoming by
week's end.  Any suggestions for items are welcome.


Anything further on this, such as a specific date/time?

--Paul Hoffman




We know this is the week of RIPE, which complicates things, but this
week was the best of a bad lot.

Looking at the RIPE calendar, we have a few suggestions:

1) Tuesday May 12, 1600 UTC (1400 RIPE Local time), 12 Noon EDT, 9am PDT

2) Wednesday May 13, 1600 UTC(1400 RIPE Local time), 12 Noon EDT, 9am PDT

Thursday is out for several reasons.

We are leaning towards 1) Tuesday Slot, unless we hear an overwhelming
outpouring either way.

Thanks
tim


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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Jaap Akkerhuis]

 Jaap Akkerhuis writes:
 
Oops, wrong message went out.

 >  Tim Wicinski writes:
 > 
 >  > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > All
 >  > 
 >  > We've finalized the Interim Meeting to discuss the questions around
 >  > RFC 6761 and the "Special Names" Registry.
 >  > 
 >  > Details:
 >  > 
 >  > Date: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 Time: 1600-1800 UTC (1200-1400 EDT)
 >  > 

But what I wanted to say:

The RIPE staff has been very nice and made a room available at RIPE-70
:

Meerman I/II for ~30 people on Tuesday 12 May 18:00- 20:00 Amsterdam

jaap

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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Warren Kumari]

This is very cool -- thanks to whoever arranged it

Do we know if there will be a conference phone / polycom type thing?
W

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Jaap Akkerhuis  wrote:
>  Jaap Akkerhuis writes:
>
> Oops, wrong message went out.
>
>  >  Tim Wicinski writes:
>  >
>  >  > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>  >  > --010907040103080303070203 Content-Type: text/plain;
>  >  > charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > All
>  >  >
>  >  > We've finalized the Interim Meeting to discuss the questions around
>  >  > RFC 6761 and the "Special Names" Registry.
>  >  >
>  >  > Details:
>  >  >
>  >  > Date: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 Time: 1600-1800 UTC (1200-1400 EDT)
>  >  >
>
> But what I wanted to say:
>
> The RIPE staff has been very nice and made a room available at RIPE-70
> :
>
> Meerman I/II for ~30 people on Tuesday 12 May 18:00- 20:00 Amsterdam
>
> jaap
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idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.
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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Tim Wicinski]

Jaap Akkerhuis was the Arranger of the room.

I Initially thought a polycom type thing could cause a muddle of voices. 
But I'm willing to listen to reason and logic.


tim

On 4/30/15 11:23 AM, Warren Kumari wrote:

This is very cool -- thanks to whoever arranged it

Do we know if there will be a conference phone / polycom type thing?
W

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Jaap Akkerhuis  wrote:

  Jaap Akkerhuis writes:

Oops, wrong message went out.

  >  Tim Wicinski writes:
  >
  >  > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
  >  > --010907040103080303070203 Content-Type: text/plain;
  >  > charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >
  >  > All
  >  >
  >  > We've finalized the Interim Meeting to discuss the questions around
  >  > RFC 6761 and the "Special Names" Registry.
  >  >
  >  > Details:
  >  >
  >  > Date: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 Time: 1600-1800 UTC (1200-1400 EDT)
  >  >

But what I wanted to say:

The RIPE staff has been very nice and made a room available at RIPE-70
:

 Meerman I/II for ~30 people on Tuesday 12 May 18:00- 20:00 Amsterdam

 jaap

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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Jaap Akkerhuis]

 Tim Wicinski writes:

 > Jaap Akkerhuis was the Arranger of the room.

Too much honour. I was indeed arranging a room (for somthing else)
and then Kaveh Ranjbar suggested to arrange a room for dnsop as
well.

 > 
 > I Initially thought a polycom type thing could cause a muddle of
 > voices.  But I'm willing to listen to reason and logic.

Noted. Let's see what is possible.

jaap

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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Alain Durand]

On 4/30/15, 11:23 AM, "Warren Kumari"  wrote:

>The RIPE staff has been very nice and made a room available at RIPE-70
>:
>
> Meerman I/II for ~30 people on Tuesday 12 May 18:00- 20:00 Amsterdam
>
> Jaap


Very cool. Do we need to sign up?

Alain.


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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Patrik Fältström]

On 30 Apr 2015, at 19:10, Alain Durand wrote:

> On 4/30/15, 11:23 AM, "Warren Kumari"  wrote:
>
>
>> The RIPE staff has been very nice and made a room available at RIPE-70
>> :
>>
>>   Meerman I/II for ~30 people on Tuesday 12 May 18:00- 20:00 Amsterdam
>>
>>   Jaap
>
>
>
> Very cool. Do we need to sign up?

Ill be there!

   paf


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Re: [DNSOP] Interim Meeting on Special Names and RFC 6761

[Warren Kumari]

+1

W

On Friday, May 1, 2015, Patrik Fältström  wrote:

> On 30 Apr 2015, at 19:10, Alain Durand wrote:
>
> > On 4/30/15, 11:23 AM, "Warren Kumari" >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> The RIPE staff has been very nice and made a room available at RIPE-70
> >> :
> >>
> >>   Meerman I/II for ~30 people on Tuesday 12 May 18:00- 20:00 Amsterdam
> >>
> >>   Jaap
> >
> >
> >
> > Very cool. Do we need to sign up?
>
> Ill be there!
>
>paf
>


-- 
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
pants.
   ---maf
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