Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

2013-01-24 Thread Mike Tuma
Rob,

Ok, sounds good, I understand about the copyright issue, however that begs
the question how other software companies do it? Anyway my vote would be
Ubuntu, but we would have to agree a version so that the screenshots
are consistent.  Have you had other feedback?

I am not sure what the next steps are, so please let me know what I can do
to help.

Thanks,
Mike


Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

2013-01-24 Thread Keith N. McKenna

Rob Weir wrote:

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mike Tuma mtuma5...@gmail.com wrote:

Rob,

Ok, sounds good, I understand about the copyright issue, however that begs
the question how other software companies do it? Anyway my vote would be
Ubuntu, but we would have to agree a version so that the screenshots
are consistent.  Have you had other feedback?



Personally, I don't think there is legal risk here.  Perhaps other
book authors/publishers agree in that.  But since some on the mailing
list have expressed this concern, and I see other websites claim that
it is nebulous, I don't have a problem with using Linux for the
screenshots.   It is similar enough that Windows and Mac users should
not be confused.

-Rob


Hi all;

If there is lack of consensus on whether there is legal risk or not then 
the best way to go is to use a Linux variant. We can put a Note in the 
Introduction that the appearance of some elements will differ from what 
they see in the documentation.


Regards
Keith





I am not sure what the next steps are, so please let me know what I can do
to help.

Thanks,
Mike







Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

2013-01-24 Thread Mike Tuma
Please ignore my grammatical errors :-)

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Mike Tuma mtuma5...@gmail.com wrote:

 I concur that using Ubuntu for the screenshots, however I find it very
 curios that 87% of downloads are Windows Server users (or does 2012
 encapsulate Win8 also?). To put everyone at ease I looked up the legalese
 from Microsoft, and according to them, we can use their screenshots as long
 as we conform to their rules. The sticky one is number 4, and it is not
 well defined...back to Ubuntu?


 http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/Permissions/Default.aspx#ERG

 Cheers,
 Mike





 Hi all;


 If there is lack of consensus on whether there is legal risk or not then
 the best way to go is to use a Linux variant. We can put a Note in the
 Introduction that the appearance of some elements will differ from what
 they see in the documentation.

 Regards
 Keith




RE: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

2013-01-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think the 3rd party content exception is listed because Microsoft can't give 
permission to show 3rd party content.  They mention that case generally at the 
top of the page with regard to what Microsoft is unable to do.  (Note that the 
same situation arises whether it is Ubuntu or some other GUI.  There's nothing 
in the GPL about screen captures from an installed GPL-licensed product.)

Since there is no problem with having permission for Apache OpenOffice content 
in Microsoft screen captures, I doubt there is a problem, any more than there 
is in anyone else's install and getting-started guides.

Note, however, that if the Apache OpenOffice screen shot includes 3rd party 
content from someone else, it needs to be clear that AOO has permission to 
display that.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Mike Tuma [mailto:mtuma5...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 14:36
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discuss][User Guide]Screenshots

Please ignore my grammatical errors :-)

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Mike Tuma mtuma5...@gmail.com wrote:

 I concur that using Ubuntu for the screenshots, however I find it very
 curios that 87% of downloads are Windows Server users (or does 2012
 encapsulate Win8 also?). To put everyone at ease I looked up the legalese
 from Microsoft, and according to them, we can use their screenshots as long
 as we conform to their rules. The sticky one is number 4, and it is not
 well defined...back to Ubuntu?


 http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/Permissions/Default.aspx#ERG

 Cheers,
 Mike





 Hi all;


 If there is lack of consensus on whether there is legal risk or not then
 the best way to go is to use a Linux variant. We can put a Note in the
 Introduction that the appearance of some elements will differ from what
 they see in the documentation.

 Regards
 Keith