Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Dick Groskamp]

Op 14-6-2022 om 18:55 schreef F Campos Costero:

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 5:32 AM Dick Groskamp
 wrote:


Op 13-6-2022 om 20:57 schreef Keith N. McKenna:

Dick, Francis and Jean.
See comments in line
Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Dick Groskamp wrote:

Op 12-6-2022 om 22:38 schreef F Campos Costero:

I agree with Dick's plan.  Thanks for volunteering to start the
revisions.
I will not be able to help with that during this coming week but I
might be
able to the following week.
I looked briefly at the text near Fig. 15 where Jean noted an
error. It
seems the paragraph styles are used correctly in that list but the
previous
list slightly earlier in the document ends with the style OOo List
1 Cont
instead of  OOo List 1 End. Maybe that is enough to cause the problem?
Francis


On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 8:37 AM Dick Groskamp 
wrote:


OK, to cut things short:
I will go over the chapters in the GitHub ForWiki folder, trying to
eliminate the errors I find.
After checking all the chapters I will assemble a PDF to see what
happens
if I make an ODM from the fixed chapters.

Meanwhile I would suggest to withdraw the published PDF from the
mwiki

On 2022/06/12 00:16:41 Jean Weber wrote:

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:

Jean Weber wrote:

The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]

Jean


Jean;

[...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?

Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but
NOT
in the chapter files.

There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style
use.
I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples
from
Chapter 1.
Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph
just
before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it
should be,
but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is
part
of the same procedure; it should be 2).
Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
final paragraph is centered but should not be.

A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up
looking.
Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
numbers.
Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
items in the procedure have no numbers.
Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not

numbered.

Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.

Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
book. Examples (there are many others):
Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
in other chapters.
Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure,
so it
is centered but should not be.



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Thanks Francis.

Found and fixed the error near Figure 15.

Have to wait how it tunrs out though :-)


In parallel I tried a new tack. I created the pdf direct from the odm
file after removing the toc. It can be found in the forwiki folder.

Keith

delete that. It has problems as well.

All ODT files should be checked at the top level. Those in the wiki
folder are just copies of the originals.
Dick and Francis. How far have you gotten?

Regards
Keith


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Just completed checking and repairing the files in the ForWiki folder.

I'll try to build an ODM and PDF today

If all is well then we can replace the top level files by the fixed
ones, since

they were mere copies of the top level ones I presume.

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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Keith N. McKenna]

F Campos Costero wrote:

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 5:32 AM Dick Groskamp
 wrote:


Op 13-6-2022 om 20:57 schreef Keith N. McKenna:

Dick, Francis and Jean.
See comments in line
Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Dick Groskamp wrote:

Op 12-6-2022 om 22:38 schreef F Campos Costero:

I agree with Dick's plan.  Thanks for volunteering to start the
revisions.
I will not be able to help with that during this coming week but I
might be
able to the following week.
I looked briefly at the text near Fig. 15 where Jean noted an
error. It
seems the paragraph styles are used correctly in that list but the
previous
list slightly earlier in the document ends with the style OOo List
1 Cont
instead of  OOo List 1 End. Maybe that is enough to cause the problem?
Francis


On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 8:37 AM Dick Groskamp 
wrote:


OK, to cut things short:
I will go over the chapters in the GitHub ForWiki folder, trying to
eliminate the errors I find.
After checking all the chapters I will assemble a PDF to see what
happens
if I make an ODM from the fixed chapters.

Meanwhile I would suggest to withdraw the published PDF from the
mwiki

On 2022/06/12 00:16:41 Jean Weber wrote:

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:

Jean Weber wrote:

The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]

Jean


Jean;

[...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?

Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but
NOT
in the chapter files.

There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style
use.
I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples
from
Chapter 1.
Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph
just
before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it
should be,
but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is
part
of the same procedure; it should be 2).
Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
final paragraph is centered but should not be.

A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up
looking.
Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
numbers.
Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
items in the procedure have no numbers.
Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not

numbered.

Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.

Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
book. Examples (there are many others):
Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
in other chapters.
Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure,
so it
is centered but should not be.



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Thanks Francis.

Found and fixed the error near Figure 15.

Have to wait how it tunrs out though :-)



In parallel I tried a new tack. I created the pdf direct from the odm
file after removing the toc. It can be found in the forwiki folder.

Keith


delete that. It has problems as well.

All ODT files should be checked at the top level. Those in the wiki
folder are just copies of the originals.
Dick and Francis. How far have you gotten?

Regards
Keith


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Just completed checking and repairing the files in the ForWiki folder.

I'll try to build an ODM and PDF today

If all is well then we can replace the top level files by the fixed
ones, since

they were mere copies of the top level ones I presume.

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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Keith N. McKenna]

Dick Groskamp wrote:

Op 13-6-2022 om 20:57 schreef Keith N. McKenna:

Dick, Francis and Jean.
See comments in line
Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Dick Groskamp wrote:

Op 12-6-2022 om 22:38 schreef F Campos Costero:
I agree with Dick's plan.  Thanks for volunteering to start the 
revisions.
I will not be able to help with that during this coming week but I 
might be

able to the following week.
I looked briefly at the text near Fig. 15 where Jean noted an 
error. It
seems the paragraph styles are used correctly in that list but the 
previous
list slightly earlier in the document ends with the style OOo List 
1 Cont

instead of  OOo List 1 End. Maybe that is enough to cause the problem?
Francis


On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 8:37 AM Dick Groskamp  
wrote:



OK, to cut things short:
I will go over the chapters in the GitHub ForWiki folder, trying to
eliminate the errors I find.
After checking all the chapters I will assemble a PDF to see what 
happens

if I make an ODM from the fixed chapters.

Meanwhile I would suggest to withdraw the published PDF from the 
mwiki


On 2022/06/12 00:16:41 Jean Weber wrote:

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:

Jean Weber wrote:

The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]

Jean


Jean;

[...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?

Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but 
NOT

in the chapter files.

There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style 
use.
I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples 
from

Chapter 1.
Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph 
just

before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it 
should be,
but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is 
part

of the same procedure; it should be 2).
Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
final paragraph is centered but should not be.

A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up 
looking.

Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
numbers.
Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
items in the procedure have no numbers.
Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not

numbered.

Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.

Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
book. Examples (there are many others):
Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
in other chapters.
Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure, 
so it

is centered but should not be.

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Thanks Francis.

Found and fixed the error near Figure 15.

Have to wait how it tunrs out though :-)



In parallel I tried a new tack. I created the pdf direct from the odm 
file after removing the toc. It can be found in the forwiki folder.


Keith


delete that. It has problems as well.

All ODT files should be checked at the top level. Those in the wiki 
folder are just copies of the originals.

Dick and Francis. How far have you gotten?

Regards
Keith


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Just completed checking and repairing the files in the ForWiki folder.

I'll try to build an ODM and PDF today

If all is well then we can replace the top level files by the fixed 
ones, since


they were mere copies of the top level ones I presume.

Quick work Dick and thank you for that. Yes, the files in the ForWiki 
folder were juts copies od those in the top level. I did it that way to 
be able to publish the files in different ways and not disturb the 
others which were supposed to be the published sources files.


Regards
Keith

Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[F Campos Costero]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 5:32 AM Dick Groskamp
 wrote:

> Op 13-6-2022 om 20:57 schreef Keith N. McKenna:
> > Dick, Francis and Jean.
> > See comments in line
> > Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> >> Dick Groskamp wrote:
> >>> Op 12-6-2022 om 22:38 schreef F Campos Costero:
>  I agree with Dick's plan.  Thanks for volunteering to start the
>  revisions.
>  I will not be able to help with that during this coming week but I
>  might be
>  able to the following week.
>  I looked briefly at the text near Fig. 15 where Jean noted an
>  error. It
>  seems the paragraph styles are used correctly in that list but the
>  previous
>  list slightly earlier in the document ends with the style OOo List
>  1 Cont
>  instead of  OOo List 1 End. Maybe that is enough to cause the problem?
>  Francis
> 
> 
>  On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 8:37 AM Dick Groskamp 
>  wrote:
> 
> > OK, to cut things short:
> > I will go over the chapters in the GitHub ForWiki folder, trying to
> > eliminate the errors I find.
> > After checking all the chapters I will assemble a PDF to see what
> > happens
> > if I make an ODM from the fixed chapters.
> >
> > Meanwhile I would suggest to withdraw the published PDF from the
> > mwiki
> >
> > On 2022/06/12 00:16:41 Jean Weber wrote:
> >> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
> >>  wrote:
> >>> Jean Weber wrote:
>  The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
>  errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]
> 
>  Jean
> 
> >>> Jean;
> >>>
> >>> [...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?
> >> Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
> >> PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but
> >> NOT
> >> in the chapter files.
> >>
> >> There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
> >> throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style
> >> use.
> >> I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples
> >> from
> >> Chapter 1.
> >> Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph
> >> just
> >> before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
> >> Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it
> >> should be,
> >> but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is
> >> part
> >> of the same procedure; it should be 2).
> >> Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
> >> paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
> >> Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
> >> final paragraph is centered but should not be.
> >>
> >> A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up
> >> looking.
> >> Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
> >> un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
> >> procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
> >> numbers.
> >> Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
> >> Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
> >> items in the procedure have no numbers.
> >> Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not
> > numbered.
> >> Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
> >> numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
> >> use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.
> >>
> >> Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
> >> book. Examples (there are many others):
> >> Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
> >> in other chapters.
> >> Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure,
> >> so it
> >> is centered but should not be.
> >>
> >>
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> >>> Thanks Francis.
> >>>
> >>> Found and fixed the error near Figure 15.
> >>>
> >>> Have to wait how it tunrs out though :-)
> >>>
> >>
> >> In parallel I tried a new tack. I created the pdf direct from the odm
> >> file after removing the toc. It can be found in the forwiki folder.
> >>
> >> Keith
> >
> > delete that. It has problems as well.
> >
> > All ODT files should be 

Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Dick Groskamp]

Op 13-6-2022 om 20:57 schreef Keith N. McKenna:

Dick, Francis and Jean.
See comments in line
Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Dick Groskamp wrote:

Op 12-6-2022 om 22:38 schreef F Campos Costero:
I agree with Dick's plan.  Thanks for volunteering to start the 
revisions.
I will not be able to help with that during this coming week but I 
might be

able to the following week.
I looked briefly at the text near Fig. 15 where Jean noted an 
error. It
seems the paragraph styles are used correctly in that list but the 
previous
list slightly earlier in the document ends with the style OOo List 
1 Cont

instead of  OOo List 1 End. Maybe that is enough to cause the problem?
Francis


On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 8:37 AM Dick Groskamp  
wrote:



OK, to cut things short:
I will go over the chapters in the GitHub ForWiki folder, trying to
eliminate the errors I find.
After checking all the chapters I will assemble a PDF to see what 
happens

if I make an ODM from the fixed chapters.

Meanwhile I would suggest to withdraw the published PDF from the 
mwiki


On 2022/06/12 00:16:41 Jean Weber wrote:

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:

Jean Weber wrote:

The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]

Jean


Jean;

[...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?

Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but 
NOT

in the chapter files.

There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style 
use.
I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples 
from

Chapter 1.
Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph 
just

before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it 
should be,
but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is 
part

of the same procedure; it should be 2).
Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
final paragraph is centered but should not be.

A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up 
looking.

Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
numbers.
Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
items in the procedure have no numbers.
Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not

numbered.

Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.

Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
book. Examples (there are many others):
Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
in other chapters.
Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure, 
so it

is centered but should not be.

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Thanks Francis.

Found and fixed the error near Figure 15.

Have to wait how it tunrs out though :-)



In parallel I tried a new tack. I created the pdf direct from the odm 
file after removing the toc. It can be found in the forwiki folder.


Keith


delete that. It has problems as well.

All ODT files should be checked at the top level. Those in the wiki 
folder are just copies of the originals.

Dick and Francis. How far have you gotten?

Regards
Keith


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I'll try to build an ODM and PDF today

If all is well then we can replace the top level files by the fixed 
ones, since


they were mere copies of the top level ones I presume.

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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Keith N. McKenna]

Dick, Francis and Jean.
See comments in line
Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Dick Groskamp wrote:

Op 12-6-2022 om 22:38 schreef F Campos Costero:
I agree with Dick's plan.  Thanks for volunteering to start the 
revisions.
I will not be able to help with that during this coming week but I 
might be

able to the following week.
I looked briefly at the text near Fig. 15 where Jean noted an error. It
seems the paragraph styles are used correctly in that list but the 
previous
list slightly earlier in the document ends with the style OOo List 1 
Cont

instead of  OOo List 1 End. Maybe that is enough to cause the problem?
Francis


On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 8:37 AM Dick Groskamp  wrote:


OK, to cut things short:
I will go over the chapters in the GitHub ForWiki folder, trying to
eliminate the errors I find.
After checking all the chapters I will assemble a PDF to see what 
happens

if I make an ODM from the fixed chapters.

Meanwhile I would suggest to withdraw the published PDF from the mwiki

On 2022/06/12 00:16:41 Jean Weber wrote:

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:

Jean Weber wrote:

The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]

Jean


Jean;

[...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?

Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but NOT
in the chapter files.

There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style use.
I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples from
Chapter 1.
Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph just
before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it should be,
but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is part
of the same procedure; it should be 2).
Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
final paragraph is centered but should not be.

A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up 
looking.

Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
numbers.
Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
items in the procedure have no numbers.
Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not

numbered.

Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.

Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
book. Examples (there are many others):
Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
in other chapters.
Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure, so it
is centered but should not be.

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Thanks Francis.

Found and fixed the error near Figure 15.

Have to wait how it tunrs out though :-)



In parallel I tried a new tack. I created the pdf direct from the odm 
file after removing the toc. It can be found in the forwiki folder.


Keith


delete that. It has problems as well.

All ODT files should be checked at the top level. Those in the wiki 
folder are just copies of the originals.

Dick and Francis. How far have you gotten?

Regards
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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Keith N. McKenna]

Dick Groskamp wrote:

Op 12-6-2022 om 22:38 schreef F Campos Costero:
I agree with Dick's plan.  Thanks for volunteering to start the 
revisions.
I will not be able to help with that during this coming week but I 
might be

able to the following week.
I looked briefly at the text near Fig. 15 where Jean noted an error. It
seems the paragraph styles are used correctly in that list but the 
previous

list slightly earlier in the document ends with the style OOo List 1 Cont
instead of  OOo List 1 End. Maybe that is enough to cause the problem?
Francis


On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 8:37 AM Dick Groskamp  wrote:


OK, to cut things short:
I will go over the chapters in the GitHub ForWiki folder, trying to
eliminate the errors I find.
After checking all the chapters I will assemble a PDF to see what 
happens

if I make an ODM from the fixed chapters.

Meanwhile I would suggest to withdraw the published PDF from the mwiki

On 2022/06/12 00:16:41 Jean Weber wrote:

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:

Jean Weber wrote:

The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]

Jean


Jean;

[...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?

Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but NOT
in the chapter files.

There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style use.
I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples from
Chapter 1.
Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph just
before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it should be,
but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is part
of the same procedure; it should be 2).
Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
final paragraph is centered but should not be.

A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up 
looking.

Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
numbers.
Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
items in the procedure have no numbers.
Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not

numbered.

Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.

Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
book. Examples (there are many others):
Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
in other chapters.
Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure, so it
is centered but should not be.

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Thanks Francis.

Found and fixed the error near Figure 15.

Have to wait how it tunrs out though :-)



In parallel I tried a new tack. I created the pdf direct from the odm 
file after removing the toc. It can be found in the forwiki folder.


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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Dick Groskamp]

Op 12-6-2022 om 22:38 schreef F Campos Costero:

I agree with Dick's plan.  Thanks for volunteering to start the revisions.
I will not be able to help with that during this coming week but I might be
able to the following week.
I looked briefly at the text near Fig. 15 where Jean noted an error. It
seems the paragraph styles are used correctly in that list but the previous
list slightly earlier in the document ends with the style OOo List 1 Cont
instead of  OOo List 1 End. Maybe that is enough to cause the problem?
Francis


On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 8:37 AM Dick Groskamp  wrote:


OK, to cut things short:
I will go over the chapters in the GitHub ForWiki folder, trying to
eliminate the errors I find.
After checking all the chapters I will assemble a PDF to see what happens
if I make an ODM from the fixed chapters.

Meanwhile I would suggest to withdraw the published PDF from the mwiki

On 2022/06/12 00:16:41 Jean Weber wrote:

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:

Jean Weber wrote:

The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]

Jean


Jean;

[...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?

Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but NOT
in the chapter files.

There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style use.
I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples from
Chapter 1.
Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph just
before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it should be,
but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is part
of the same procedure; it should be 2).
Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
final paragraph is centered but should not be.

A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up looking.
Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
numbers.
Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
items in the procedure have no numbers.
Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not

numbered.

Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.

Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
book. Examples (there are many others):
Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
in other chapters.
Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure, so it
is centered but should not be.

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Thanks Francis.

Found and fixed the error near Figure 15.

Have to wait how it tunrs out though :-)

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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[F Campos Costero]

I agree with Dick's plan.  Thanks for volunteering to start the revisions.
I will not be able to help with that during this coming week but I might be
able to the following week.
I looked briefly at the text near Fig. 15 where Jean noted an error. It
seems the paragraph styles are used correctly in that list but the previous
list slightly earlier in the document ends with the style OOo List 1 Cont
instead of  OOo List 1 End. Maybe that is enough to cause the problem?
Francis


On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 8:37 AM Dick Groskamp  wrote:

> OK, to cut things short:
> I will go over the chapters in the GitHub ForWiki folder, trying to
> eliminate the errors I find.
> After checking all the chapters I will assemble a PDF to see what happens
> if I make an ODM from the fixed chapters.
>
> Meanwhile I would suggest to withdraw the published PDF from the mwiki
>
> On 2022/06/12 00:16:41 Jean Weber wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jean Weber wrote:
> > > > The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
> > > > errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]
> > > >
> > > > Jean
> > > >
> > >
> > > Jean;
> > >
> > > [...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?
> >
> > Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
> > PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but NOT
> > in the chapter files.
> >
> > There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
> > throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style use.
> > I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples from
> > Chapter 1.
> > Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph just
> > before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
> > Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it should be,
> > but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is part
> > of the same procedure; it should be 2).
> > Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
> > paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
> > Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
> > final paragraph is centered but should not be.
> >
> > A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up looking.
> > Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
> > un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
> > procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
> > numbers.
> > Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
> > Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
> > items in the procedure have no numbers.
> > Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not
> numbered.
> >
> > Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
> > numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
> > use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.
> >
> > Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
> > book. Examples (there are many others):
> > Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
> > in other chapters.
> > Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure, so it
> > is centered but should not be.
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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Dick Groskamp]

OK, to cut things short:
I will go over the chapters in the GitHub ForWiki folder, trying to eliminate 
the errors I find.
After checking all the chapters I will assemble a PDF to see what happens if I 
make an ODM from the fixed chapters.

Meanwhile I would suggest to withdraw the published PDF from the mwiki

On 2022/06/12 00:16:41 Jean Weber wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
>  wrote:
> >
> > Jean Weber wrote:
> > > The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
> > > errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]
> > >
> > > Jean
> > >
> >
> > Jean;
> >
> > [...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?
> 
> Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
> PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but NOT
> in the chapter files.
> 
> There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
> throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style use.
> I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples from
> Chapter 1.
> Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph just
> before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
> Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it should be,
> but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is part
> of the same procedure; it should be 2).
> Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
> paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
> Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
> final paragraph is centered but should not be.
> 
> A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up looking.
> Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
> un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
> procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
> numbers.
> Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
> Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
> items in the procedure have no numbers.
> Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not numbered.
> 
> Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
> numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
> use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.
> 
> Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
> book. Examples (there are many others):
> Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
> in other chapters.
> Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure, so it
> is centered but should not be.
> 
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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Jean Weber]

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:56 AM Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:
>
> Jean Weber wrote:
> > The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
> > errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. [...]
> >
> > Jean
> >
>
> Jean;
>
> [...] What sort of formatting errors are you seeing?

Here is a sample of some things I found. There are many, many more.
PLEASE NOTE that most of these problems are in the full book, but NOT
in the chapter files.

There are many inconsistent uses of numbered and/or bulletted lists
throughout the book, probably due to incorrect/inconsistent style use.
I am not going to itemize all of them, but here are some examples from
Chapter 1.
Page 19, at the top is a paragraph numbered 1), but the paragraph just
before Figure 15 on page 18 should be 1) and this paragraph 2).
Further down, there is another paragraph numbered 1), as it should be,
but the next paragraph does not have a number, even though it is part
of the same procedure; it should be 2).
Further down, under Saving a Document Automatically, the two final
paragraphs are a procedure and should be numbered 1) and 2).
Page 20, the use (or not) of bullet points is inconsistent, and the
final paragraph is centered but should not be.

A few random examples from other chapters, after which I gave up looking.
Page 72 (in Chapter 3), under Adding a Movie or Sound, there is an
un-numbered procedure. Further down is an item in a different
procedure numbered 3), but the other items in that procedure have no
numbers.
Under Using Mail Merge, several items should have bullet points.
Page 81 (in Chapter 4), there is an item numbered 4), but the other
items in the procedure have no numbers.
Page 115, list begins with 4) but the actual first list item is not numbered.

Some lists use numbers followed by a closing parenthesis; some use
numbers followed by a period (full stop). Again, inconsistent style
use, though trivial compared to the random use of numbering at all.

Other formatting errors are in the chapter files as well as the full
book. Examples (there are many others):
Page 8, the Note is formatted differently from Notes, Tips, Cautions
in other chapters.
Page 20, the final paragraph is incorrectly tagged as OOFigure, so it
is centered but should not be.

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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Jean Weber]

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 7:39 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 7:19 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 3:14 AM Keith N. McKenna
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> > > > Jean Weber wrote:
> > > >> The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
> > > >> errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. Perhaps I am looking at
> > > >> the wrong file? I'm completely lost about where to find the latest
> > > >> iterations of ODTs or PDFs.
> > > >>
> > > >> Jean
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Jean;
> > > >
> > > > If you downloaded the pdf from the mwiki that is a PDFA-1a created from
> > > > an ODT file. The only difference is that I stripped the TOC as the A-1a
> > > > format turns the TOC in an image to delete the transparency, and
> > > > exported the bookmarks to serve as a linked TOC.What sort of formatting
> > > > errors are you seeing?
> > > >
> > > > the ODT and ODM documents can be found on githup at the following link:
> > > > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-docs/tree/main/Getting%20Started
> > > > The PDF and the the ODT it was created on is still on my system as they
> > > > are still a work in progress. I can make them available to if if you
> > > > would like.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Keith
> > > Jean and Dick;
> > >
> > > Found the problem I think. Please check the file at:
> > > 
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Keith
> >
> > Keith,
> > Error message: Unable to open.
> > Jean
>
> Keith,
> My bad. Got it now. Still finding many, many list formatting errors in
> the PDF that are not in the ODTs. Something may be wrong with the
> styles in the ODM.
> Also some other formatting problems in the ODTs.
> Jean

I just checked the full-book ODT from which the PDF was created. As
expected, it has all the same formatting errors, so that is evidence
of some problems in the ODM. (I can't think of what else might be
causing these anomalies.

I don't see the ODM in the "for wiki" folder, so I assume it's the one
in the previous folder. If I have time, I'll look at it later.

Jean

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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Jean Weber]

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 7:19 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 3:14 AM Keith N. McKenna
>  wrote:
> >
> > Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> > > Jean Weber wrote:
> > >> The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
> > >> errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. Perhaps I am looking at
> > >> the wrong file? I'm completely lost about where to find the latest
> > >> iterations of ODTs or PDFs.
> > >>
> > >> Jean
> > >>
> > >
> > > Jean;
> > >
> > > If you downloaded the pdf from the mwiki that is a PDFA-1a created from
> > > an ODT file. The only difference is that I stripped the TOC as the A-1a
> > > format turns the TOC in an image to delete the transparency, and
> > > exported the bookmarks to serve as a linked TOC.What sort of formatting
> > > errors are you seeing?
> > >
> > > the ODT and ODM documents can be found on githup at the following link:
> > > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-docs/tree/main/Getting%20Started
> > > The PDF and the the ODT it was created on is still on my system as they
> > > are still a work in progress. I can make them available to if if you
> > > would like.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Keith
> > Jean and Dick;
> >
> > Found the problem I think. Please check the file at:
> > 
> >
> > Regards
> > Keith
>
> Keith,
> Error message: Unable to open.
> Jean

Keith,
My bad. Got it now. Still finding many, many list formatting errors in
the PDF that are not in the ODTs. Something may be wrong with the
styles in the ODM.
Also some other formatting problems in the ODTs.
Jean

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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Jean Weber]

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 3:14 AM Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:
>
> Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> > Jean Weber wrote:
> >> The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
> >> errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. Perhaps I am looking at
> >> the wrong file? I'm completely lost about where to find the latest
> >> iterations of ODTs or PDFs.
> >>
> >> Jean
> >>
> >
> > Jean;
> >
> > If you downloaded the pdf from the mwiki that is a PDFA-1a created from
> > an ODT file. The only difference is that I stripped the TOC as the A-1a
> > format turns the TOC in an image to delete the transparency, and
> > exported the bookmarks to serve as a linked TOC.What sort of formatting
> > errors are you seeing?
> >
> > the ODT and ODM documents can be found on githup at the following link:
> > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-docs/tree/main/Getting%20Started
> > The PDF and the the ODT it was created on is still on my system as they
> > are still a work in progress. I can make them available to if if you
> > would like.
> >
> > Regards
> > Keith
> Jean and Dick;
>
> Found the problem I think. Please check the file at:
> 
>
> Regards
> Keith

Keith,
Error message: Unable to open.
Jean

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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Keith N. McKenna]

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Jean Weber wrote:

The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. Perhaps I am looking at
the wrong file? I'm completely lost about where to find the latest
iterations of ODTs or PDFs.

Jean



Jean;

If you downloaded the pdf from the mwiki that is a PDFA-1a created from 
an ODT file. The only difference is that I stripped the TOC as the A-1a 
format turns the TOC in an image to delete the transparency, and 
exported the bookmarks to serve as a linked TOC.What sort of formatting 
errors are you seeing?


the ODT and ODM documents can be found on githup at the following link:
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-docs/tree/main/Getting%20Started
The PDF and the the ODT it was created on is still on my system as they 
are still a work in progress. I can make them available to if if you 
would like.


Regards
Keith

Jean and Dick;

Found the problem I think. Please check the file at:


Regards
Keith


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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

[Keith N. McKenna]

Jean Weber wrote:

The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. Perhaps I am looking at
the wrong file? I'm completely lost about where to find the latest
iterations of ODTs or PDFs.

Jean



Jean;

If you downloaded the pdf from the mwiki that is a PDFA-1a created from 
an ODT file. The only difference is that I stripped the TOC as the A-1a 
format turns the TOC in an image to delete the transparency, and 
exported the bookmarks to serve as a linked TOC.What sort of formatting 
errors are you seeing?


the ODT and ODM documents can be found on githup at the following link:
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-docs/tree/main/Getting%20Started
The PDF and the the ODT it was created on is still on my system as they 
are still a work in progress. I can make them available to if if you 
would like.


Regards
Keith


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Re: Formatting Errors in PDF of Getting Started Guide

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On 2022/06/11 01:05:55 Jean Weber wrote:
> The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
> errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. Perhaps I am looking at
> the wrong file? I'm completely lost about where to find the latest
> iterations of ODTs or PDFs.
> 
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Looks like I'm not able to find the Getting Sarted guide > Review folder 
anymore.
As I believe that was the place where the edited .ODT files were stored.

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The PDF of the Getting Started Guide has many serious formatting
errors which I do not see in the chapter ODTs. Perhaps I am looking at
the wrong file? I'm completely lost about where to find the latest
iterations of ODTs or PDFs.

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