Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1

[Andrew Wetmore]

No: what I mean by "indirect" is changing "you can do x" to "the user can
do x". This sort of deflective writing reduces the immediacy of this being
information for the person who is reading it right then.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton 
wrote:

>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jean Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:38
> > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1
> >
> > Active voice, direct speech (do this), and use of "you" (but not
> > over-using "you" or the possessive "your") is standard modern
> > technical writing in English. All of the books are written that way,
> > and we should not even consider changing that.
> >
> > However, some writers (Peter Schofield in particular) tended to
> > over-use "you" and "your," so I have been changing "your" to "the" in
> > sentences like "When you have finished editing your image, add it to
> > your document." becomes "When you have finished editing the image, add
> > it to the document." He would also write things like, "To print part
> > of a page, you do [X]" which I have been changing to "To print part of
> > a page, do [X]" -- the "you" there isn't necessary.
> [orcmid]
>
> What about "Complete editing the image and add it to the document" and
> "Print part of a page is by [X]" or is that what you mean by indirect?
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Problems editing help files

[Olivier Hallot]

Hi Peter

Em 07/04/2016 15:23, ptoye escreveu:
> I'm trying for the first time to edit a live help file and have come up
> against a few problems. *WARNING* I'm a Git virgin so please treat me
> kindly.

Git is the best tool for those who tamed it.

> 
> Firstly, the Git tutorials that I've found assume that all files are in a
> single one-level directory structure. Easy for teaching, but not for real
> life! I cloned the help files into a local Git repository (that seemed to
> work OK) and edited a file.

congrats!

> git status then tells me that help has modified content. If I do "git add
> help"

You only add files that are not yet under git control (e.g. new files).
If you modified an existing file under git control you will see the
differences with

- git diff (will show the diff between the edited file and the one in
the repository)

- git status (will tell you what files have been modified and what file
you have in your workspace that are not under git control)

 git status gives me exactly the same as before,Obviously I'm doing
> something wrong, but can't see what it is. Do I have to type the entire path
> & file name into the git add command?

To submit your changes you must "commit" them to your local copy of git.

git commit file1 file2 file3...
git commit -a (=all modified files that are under git controlled tree)

An editor will open to put your remarks on the changes you did. The
chosen editor depends on your git settings.

Once you save the contents and quit the editor, git commits the changes
in your local copy.

To submit your changes for revision, use git push (you must get a login
in the LO gerrit service.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/gerrit )

In summary, it is not that easy for the neophyte. But come to
#libreoffice-dev, #libreoffice-doc in Freenode IRC so we can help you on
the fly.


> 
> Secondly, the LO Writer Help Authoring extension doesn't seem to be acting
> as advertised. Previously, I'd tried editing a few local help files, and so
> my document root was a test directory. As the wiki suggests I tried changing
> this, but the "Help Authoring|Set Document Root" menu item, asks me to set a
> directory, but "Help Authoring|Open File" still goes to the old root. Again,
> am I doing something wrong, or is there a bug?

Although HelpAuthoring has evolved a lot recently and is very usable it
still has some rough edges.

If you edit existing help files you don't need to set the document root,
it is already set for the old root.

P.S. Since I also had all the same issues as you in the begining, I
always save the changed files in a separate folder when I cross an issue
 in git/gerrit/logerrit/helpauthoring that I don't uderstand.

I hope this help you a bit

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[libreoffice-documentation] Problems editing help files

[ptoye]

I'm trying for the first time to edit a live help file and have come up
against a few problems. *WARNING* I'm a Git virgin so please treat me
kindly.

Firstly, the Git tutorials that I've found assume that all files are in a
single one-level directory structure. Easy for teaching, but not for real
life! I cloned the help files into a local Git repository (that seemed to
work OK) and edited a file.
git status then tells me that help has modified content. If I do "git add
help" git status gives me exactly the same as before,Obviously I'm doing
something wrong, but can't see what it is. Do I have to type the entire path
& file name into the git add command?

Secondly, the LO Writer Help Authoring extension doesn't seem to be acting
as advertised. Previously, I'd tried editing a few local help files, and so
my document root was a test directory. As the wiki suggests I tried changing
this, but the "Help Authoring|Set Document Root" menu item, asks me to set a
directory, but "Help Authoring|Open File" still goes to the old root. Again,
am I doing something wrong, or is there a bug?



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1

[Olivier Hallot]

Hello

You are right.

You must be talking about the Preface. Track changes accept/reject
filtered by author is your friend to put the text on track.

also for quick communication, we have an IRC channel for documentation:
in freenode, access #libreoffice-doc
https://webchat.freenode.net/

regards

Em 07/04/2016 13:24, Andrew Wetmore escreveu:
> That is good to know. However, in the material I am looking at, the
> edits do not seem to follow the style guide. The edits move from active
> to passive voice and from direct to indirect speech.
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1

[Andrew Wetmore]

That is good to know. However, in the material I am looking at, the edits
do not seem to follow the style guide. The edits move from active to
passive voice and from direct to indirect speech.


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On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> Hello Andrew, All
>
> In ODF Authors site, you can get the writing style guide in
>
>  Home / LibreOffice / English / Resources for Contributors / Ch5 Style
> Guide
>
> I think it worth to all authors to follow it.
>
>
> Exerpt:
>
> Writing style
> The following list summarizes our preferred writing style. Some of these
> points are discussed in more detail in the tips for writers, reviews,
> and editors starting on page 6.
>
> * Use short, simple, easy-to-understand words and sentences. Be concise
> and clear.
>
> * Write in active voice, using passive voice only when necessary or
> appropriate. A case of appropriate passive voice is when the focus of
> the sentence is on the receiver of an action whose doer is obvious or is
> not important. For example, The File dialog box is displayed is OK.
>
> * Use the present tense, using future tense only when necessary or
> appropriate. Try to make your descriptions timeless. For example, write
> The File dialog box is displayed, rather than The File dialog box will
> be displayed. Use future tense only when one event is necessarily later
> than another. For example, If you use styles, your documents will be
> easier to maintain.
>
> * Avoid over-using you. For example, instead of saying if you want to
> have table headers repeat on a new page, you need to do yyy, say to have
> table headers repeat..., do yyy.
>
> * When appropriate (as in instructions), use the imperative mood. For
> example, instead of you should not use slang, say do not use slang.
>
> * In circumstances where the only alternative to you is the passive
> voice, use you. For example, instead of in this window xxx can be done,
> say in this window you can do xxx.
>
> * Use gender-neutral language, but don’t use awkward phrases like he or
> she to do so. See page 8 for some examples.
>
> Variations of English
>
> For consistency, when writing the user guides we are following US
> English spelling conventions and UK English punctuation conventions.
>
> See also “Punctuation” on page 6.
> You can use other spelling or punctuation conventions when writing other
> documents.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Olivier
>
>
> Em 07/04/2016 12:43, Andrew Wetmore escreveu:
> > I am also uncomfortable with the change from active to passive voice.
> > Passive voice is harder to read and to understand, expecially for those
> for
> > whom English is not the first language.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Andrew Wetmore 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I said this to Oliver directly, forgetting to "reply all":
> >>
> >>  I don't think it's a good idea to move away from immediacy ("you") to a
> >> more remote tone ("the user"). This goes contrary to current trends in
> >> documentation.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Hazel Russman <
> hazeldeb...@googlemail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:59:01 -0300
> >>> Olivier Hallot  wrote:
> >>>
>  Hello
> 
>  In the last weeks I updated the first 4 chapters of the 5.0 Getting
>  Started book to the 5.1 version and placed them in the 5.1 Draft
>  folder for revision. The files are with Track changes enabled so it
>  will be easy to see the changes.
> 
>  The contents addition are moderately deep in details, bearing that
>  this is a Getting Started book.
> 
>  It will be important to revise the contents and the English and give a
>  feedbak on the job already done.
> 
>  Thank you in advance
> 
> 
> >>>
> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.1
> 
>  Note: The chapters are uploaded, if don't see them then there is an
>  issue on permissions I need to fix.
> 
> >>>
> >>> I've downloaded the preface. I'll have a look at it, mainly for English
> >>> and style.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> If any members of GCHQ are reading this, shame on you! I fought for
> >>> your right to belong to a trade union and now you are taking away my
> >>> right to privacy?
> >>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1

[Olivier Hallot]

Hello Andrew, All

In ODF Authors site, you can get the writing style guide in

 Home / LibreOffice / English / Resources for Contributors / Ch5 Style
Guide

I think it worth to all authors to follow it.


Exerpt:

Writing style
The following list summarizes our preferred writing style. Some of these
points are discussed in more detail in the tips for writers, reviews,
and editors starting on page 6.

* Use short, simple, easy-to-understand words and sentences. Be concise
and clear.

* Write in active voice, using passive voice only when necessary or
appropriate. A case of appropriate passive voice is when the focus of
the sentence is on the receiver of an action whose doer is obvious or is
not important. For example, The File dialog box is displayed is OK.

* Use the present tense, using future tense only when necessary or
appropriate. Try to make your descriptions timeless. For example, write
The File dialog box is displayed, rather than The File dialog box will
be displayed. Use future tense only when one event is necessarily later
than another. For example, If you use styles, your documents will be
easier to maintain.

* Avoid over-using you. For example, instead of saying if you want to
have table headers repeat on a new page, you need to do yyy, say to have
table headers repeat..., do yyy.

* When appropriate (as in instructions), use the imperative mood. For
example, instead of you should not use slang, say do not use slang.

* In circumstances where the only alternative to you is the passive
voice, use you. For example, instead of in this window xxx can be done,
say in this window you can do xxx.

* Use gender-neutral language, but don’t use awkward phrases like he or
she to do so. See page 8 for some examples.

Variations of English

For consistency, when writing the user guides we are following US
English spelling conventions and UK English punctuation conventions.

See also “Punctuation” on page 6.
You can use other spelling or punctuation conventions when writing other
documents.


Regards

Olivier


Em 07/04/2016 12:43, Andrew Wetmore escreveu:
> I am also uncomfortable with the change from active to passive voice.
> Passive voice is harder to read and to understand, expecially for those for
> whom English is not the first language.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Andrew Wetmore  wrote:
> 
>> I said this to Oliver directly, forgetting to "reply all":
>>
>>  I don't think it's a good idea to move away from immediacy ("you") to a
>> more remote tone ("the user"). This goes contrary to current trends in
>> documentation.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Hazel Russman >> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:59:01 -0300
>>> Olivier Hallot  wrote:
>>>
 Hello

 In the last weeks I updated the first 4 chapters of the 5.0 Getting
 Started book to the 5.1 version and placed them in the 5.1 Draft
 folder for revision. The files are with Track changes enabled so it
 will be easy to see the changes.

 The contents addition are moderately deep in details, bearing that
 this is a Getting Started book.

 It will be important to revise the contents and the English and give a
 feedbak on the job already done.

 Thank you in advance


>>> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.1

 Note: The chapters are uploaded, if don't see them then there is an
 issue on permissions I need to fix.

>>>
>>> I've downloaded the preface. I'll have a look at it, mainly for English
>>> and style.
>>>
>>> --
>>> If any members of GCHQ are reading this, shame on you! I fought for
>>> your right to belong to a trade union and now you are taking away my
>>> right to privacy?
>>>
>>> H Russman
>>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1

[Andrew Wetmore]

I am also uncomfortable with the change from active to passive voice.
Passive voice is harder to read and to understand, expecially for those for
whom English is not the first language.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Andrew Wetmore  wrote:

> I said this to Oliver directly, forgetting to "reply all":
>
>  I don't think it's a good idea to move away from immediacy ("you") to a
> more remote tone ("the user"). This goes contrary to current trends in
> documentation.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Hazel Russman  > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:59:01 -0300
>> Olivier Hallot  wrote:
>>
>> > Hello
>> >
>> > In the last weeks I updated the first 4 chapters of the 5.0 Getting
>> > Started book to the 5.1 version and placed them in the 5.1 Draft
>> > folder for revision. The files are with Track changes enabled so it
>> > will be easy to see the changes.
>> >
>> > The contents addition are moderately deep in details, bearing that
>> > this is a Getting Started book.
>> >
>> > It will be important to revise the contents and the English and give a
>> > feedbak on the job already done.
>> >
>> > Thank you in advance
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.1
>> >
>> > Note: The chapters are uploaded, if don't see them then there is an
>> > issue on permissions I need to fix.
>> >
>>
>> I've downloaded the preface. I'll have a look at it, mainly for English
>> and style.
>>
>> --
>> If any members of GCHQ are reading this, shame on you! I fought for
>> your right to belong to a trade union and now you are taking away my
>> right to privacy?
>>
>> H Russman
>>
>> --
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>
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>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1

[Andrew Wetmore]

I said this to Oliver directly, forgetting to "reply all":

 I don't think it's a good idea to move away from immediacy ("you") to a
more remote tone ("the user"). This goes contrary to current trends in
documentation.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Hazel Russman 
wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:59:01 -0300
> Olivier Hallot  wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> > In the last weeks I updated the first 4 chapters of the 5.0 Getting
> > Started book to the 5.1 version and placed them in the 5.1 Draft
> > folder for revision. The files are with Track changes enabled so it
> > will be easy to see the changes.
> >
> > The contents addition are moderately deep in details, bearing that
> > this is a Getting Started book.
> >
> > It will be important to revise the contents and the English and give a
> > feedbak on the job already done.
> >
> > Thank you in advance
> >
> >
> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.1
> >
> > Note: The chapters are uploaded, if don't see them then there is an
> > issue on permissions I need to fix.
> >
>
> I've downloaded the preface. I'll have a look at it, mainly for English
> and style.
>
> --
> If any members of GCHQ are reading this, shame on you! I fought for
> your right to belong to a trade union and now you are taking away my
> right to privacy?
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1

[Hazel Russman]

On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:59:01 -0300
Olivier Hallot  wrote:

> Hello
> 
> In the last weeks I updated the first 4 chapters of the 5.0 Getting
> Started book to the 5.1 version and placed them in the 5.1 Draft
> folder for revision. The files are with Track changes enabled so it
> will be easy to see the changes.
> 
> The contents addition are moderately deep in details, bearing that
> this is a Getting Started book.
> 
> It will be important to revise the contents and the English and give a
> feedbak on the job already done.
> 
> Thank you in advance
> 
> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.1
> 
> Note: The chapters are uploaded, if don't see them then there is an
> issue on permissions I need to fix.
> 

I've downloaded the preface. I'll have a look at it, mainly for English
and style.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1

[Olivier Hallot]

I just made them "publish internally", which I think will make them
available once logged in...

Em 07/04/2016 11:03, Andrew Wetmore escreveu:
> I see the folder, but no files.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1

[Andrew Wetmore]

I see the folder, but no files.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> Hello
>
> In the last weeks I updated the first 4 chapters of the 5.0 Getting
> Started book to the 5.1 version and placed them in the 5.1 Draft folder
> for revision. The files are with Track changes enabled so it will be
> easy to see the changes.
>
> The contents addition are moderately deep in details, bearing that this
> is a Getting Started book.
>
> It will be important to revise the contents and the English and give a
> feedbak on the job already done.
>
> Thank you in advance
>
> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.1
>
> Note: The chapters are uploaded, if don't see them then there is an
> issue on permissions I need to fix.
>
> --
> Olivier Hallot
> Comunidade LibreOffice
> http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br
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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 5.1

[Olivier Hallot]

Hello

In the last weeks I updated the first 4 chapters of the 5.0 Getting
Started book to the 5.1 version and placed them in the 5.1 Draft folder
for revision. The files are with Track changes enabled so it will be
easy to see the changes.

The contents addition are moderately deep in details, bearing that this
is a Getting Started book.

It will be important to revise the contents and the English and give a
feedbak on the job already done.

Thank you in advance

http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.1

Note: The chapters are uploaded, if don't see them then there is an
issue on permissions I need to fix.

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