[libreoffice-documentation] 6.0 Chapter 4 Uploaded

2017-08-15 Thread Amanda Labby 
I've uploaded my pieces of chapter 4 to ODF Author, which includes area
dialog, toolbar, & sidebar updates.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Wiki cleanup

2017-08-15 Thread jonathon 
On 08/15/2017 09:37 AM, Dave wrote:

> While your interest in the documentation wiki is appreciated, have you

This was a task that sorely needed doing.
Furthermore, it is easier to make the desired changes, and revert/modify
later, than try to gain some type of consensus, prior to doing them.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team as venture capitalists of human capital

2017-08-15 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas 

On 06.08.2017 22:13, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Em 02/08/2017 09:14, Ilmari Lauhakangas escreveu:

Could the intention be conveyed better by changing "Get involved" to
something else? "How can I help?" was proposed, but I think we need to
be careful not to mislead people seeking help files (and consider
translatability).



yes.



I thought about this some more and I came to the conclusion that we 
should encourage the translators to think of the best expression fitting 
their language and cultural context.


Getting back to English, we had
- "How can I help?"
- "Join us" (from Cathy)

Today I got the idea of "Volunteer work". It is a bit long and would 
need some technical work on the menu styles, but it is unambiguous 
(plain language). We do want to target volunteer contributors with this, 
right? It can be read as either a noun or a suggestive verb and in both 
cases the visitor understands what sort of content is found behind the 
menu item.



In the "Get involved" page itself
http://www.libreoffice.org/community/get-involved/ should we have a
short piece that sells the idea of contributing? Ie. make everything 
as
explicit as possible instead of "here are our teams, you know the 
rest,

right?". There could be a general bit to draw the visitor in and then
the individual team entries could be finessed until they are at the
absolute peak of comprehensibility.


What about a 30 sec video on each topic of the page?



Yeah, in the style of the LibO Animation from 2014 :) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdhEVg98eg




I am able to edit the page contents and if something in the layout 
needs

changing I can handle it with the admin.



The liberOffice website contents changes should, IMHO, be in synch with
the Marketing group as well as with connections to the National
Languages projects.



Yep, it is my intention to talk to marketing before changing stuff.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Wiki cleanup

2017-08-15 Thread Olivier Hallot 
Hi Ken

Em 15/08/2017 08:40, Kenneth Hanson escreveu:
> One more thought. I have sort of been hoping for more input that I've got
> until now. There hasn't been any comment on the issue of user docs / doc
> team pages, as well as several later queries. My progress reports are also
> an implicit call for feedback. So I'll make it explicit: Any ideas?

I went thru the changes and I don't have any objections.

Thank you for the cleanup.

Kind regards
Olivier

> 
> --Kenneth
> 
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Kenneth Hanson 
> wrote:
> 
>> Well, my assumption has been that these changes shouldn't be
>> controversial, but can be reverted if necessary, or corrected by others
>> that know better.
>>
>> Perhaps it would be better to propose changes in advance, just in case. At
>> the same time, I'm under a time crunch to finish this during summer
>> vacation while I have the time and attention to wrap my head around all of
>> it...
>>
>> Anyway, consider today's additions to the talk page my proposal for how to
>> proceed from here.
>>
>> --Kenneth
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> On 15.08.2017 11:19, Kenneth Hanson wrote:
 Update: I've rewritten Documentation/Development, integrating the
>>> contents
 of Documentation/Easy_Hacks (most of which wasn't, in fact, easy hacks)
>>> and
 splitting the detailed guides instructions and wish list off into new
>>> pages.

 I also edited the guides instructions a bit, but I haven't touched the
>>> wish
 list yet. Some further refinements might be in order once I address the
 latter.

 I've added some todos to
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:Documentation, if anyone else
 would like to help. This is in addition to my previously written notes
 about the organization of user pages and doc team pages.

 --Kenneth
>>>
>>> While your interest in the documentation wiki is appreciated, have you
>>> considered seeking the consensus of other documentation contributors
>>> before making these changes?
>>>
>>> Dave
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Wiki cleanup

2017-08-15 Thread Kenneth Hanson 
One more thought. I have sort of been hoping for more input that I've got
until now. There hasn't been any comment on the issue of user docs / doc
team pages, as well as several later queries. My progress reports are also
an implicit call for feedback. So I'll make it explicit: Any ideas?

--Kenneth

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Kenneth Hanson 
wrote:

> Well, my assumption has been that these changes shouldn't be
> controversial, but can be reverted if necessary, or corrected by others
> that know better.
>
> Perhaps it would be better to propose changes in advance, just in case. At
> the same time, I'm under a time crunch to finish this during summer
> vacation while I have the time and attention to wrap my head around all of
> it...
>
> Anyway, consider today's additions to the talk page my proposal for how to
> proceed from here.
>
> --Kenneth
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> On 15.08.2017 11:19, Kenneth Hanson wrote:
>> > Update: I've rewritten Documentation/Development, integrating the
>> contents
>> > of Documentation/Easy_Hacks (most of which wasn't, in fact, easy hacks)
>> and
>> > splitting the detailed guides instructions and wish list off into new
>> pages.
>> >
>> > I also edited the guides instructions a bit, but I haven't touched the
>> wish
>> > list yet. Some further refinements might be in order once I address the
>> > latter.
>> >
>> > I've added some todos to
>> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:Documentation, if anyone else
>> > would like to help. This is in addition to my previously written notes
>> > about the organization of user pages and doc team pages.
>> >
>> > --Kenneth
>>
>> While your interest in the documentation wiki is appreciated, have you
>> considered seeking the consensus of other documentation contributors
>> before making these changes?
>>
>> Dave
>> --
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Wiki cleanup

2017-08-15 Thread Kenneth Hanson 
Well, my assumption has been that these changes shouldn't be controversial,
but can be reverted if necessary, or corrected by others that know better.

Perhaps it would be better to propose changes in advance, just in case. At
the same time, I'm under a time crunch to finish this during summer
vacation while I have the time and attention to wrap my head around all of
it...

Anyway, consider today's additions to the talk page my proposal for how to
proceed from here.

--Kenneth

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Dave  wrote:

> On 15.08.2017 11:19, Kenneth Hanson wrote:
> > Update: I've rewritten Documentation/Development, integrating the
> contents
> > of Documentation/Easy_Hacks (most of which wasn't, in fact, easy hacks)
> and
> > splitting the detailed guides instructions and wish list off into new
> pages.
> >
> > I also edited the guides instructions a bit, but I haven't touched the
> wish
> > list yet. Some further refinements might be in order once I address the
> > latter.
> >
> > I've added some todos to
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:Documentation, if anyone else
> > would like to help. This is in addition to my previously written notes
> > about the organization of user pages and doc team pages.
> >
> > --Kenneth
>
> While your interest in the documentation wiki is appreciated, have you
> considered seeking the consensus of other documentation contributors
> before making these changes?
>
> Dave
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Wiki cleanup

2017-08-15 Thread Dave 
On 15.08.2017 11:19, Kenneth Hanson wrote:
> Update: I've rewritten Documentation/Development, integrating the contents
> of Documentation/Easy_Hacks (most of which wasn't, in fact, easy hacks) and
> splitting the detailed guides instructions and wish list off into new pages.
> 
> I also edited the guides instructions a bit, but I haven't touched the wish
> list yet. Some further refinements might be in order once I address the
> latter.
> 
> I've added some todos to
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:Documentation, if anyone else
> would like to help. This is in addition to my previously written notes
> about the organization of user pages and doc team pages.
> 
> --Kenneth

While your interest in the documentation wiki is appreciated, have you
considered seeking the consensus of other documentation contributors
before making these changes?

Dave
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Wiki cleanup

2017-08-15 Thread Kenneth Hanson 
Update: I've rewritten Documentation/Development, integrating the contents
of Documentation/Easy_Hacks (most of which wasn't, in fact, easy hacks) and
splitting the detailed guides instructions and wish list off into new pages.

I also edited the guides instructions a bit, but I haven't touched the wish
list yet. Some further refinements might be in order once I address the
latter.

I've added some todos to
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:Documentation, if anyone else
would like to help. This is in addition to my previously written notes
about the organization of user pages and doc team pages.

--Kenneth

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Kenneth Hanson 
wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Olivier Hallot <
> olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> wrote:
>
>> > Then we can work on the publication website. Again, I'm happy to help
>> > with this, but how do we edit it? The wiki page
>> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Guides_Website
>> >  is
>> > incomplete.
>>
>> My fault. I'll amend the doc wiki page on this. Please follow
>> instructions of https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website . Poke me
>> when you get a login.
>>
>
> Will do. Thanks.
>
> --Kenneth
>

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