Re: [Dorset] Computer-janitor ramifications
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 19:07 +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Clive, > > > Have checked my version of OOo (on laptop) and it's 3.2 with an Oracle > > logo, that's a standard upgrade by Ubuntu. > > On the PC it's listed as 3.2.1 Oracle so don't know why the desktop is > > a .1 higher than the laptop as laptop gets update very regular (almost > > daily). > > You could see if the versions of the openoffice.org-common available and > chosen to be installed differ between the two machines. > > $ apt-cache policy openoffice.org-common > openoffice.org-common: > Installed: 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 > Candidate: 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 > Version table: > *** 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 0 > 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main > Packages > 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/main > Packages > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4 0 > 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages > $ > > On this 10.04 machine it has the latest, "***", installed. > Not sure what this tells me for my machine: pet...@peterm-desktop:~$ apt-cache policy openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-common: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 Version table: 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main Packages 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/main Packages 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages 1:3.1.1-5ubuntu1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Writer tells me that I am on OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 000320M18 Build 9502. But it's there and it works. Peter -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
[Dorset] Daily Telegraph, Saturday 21st
Technology section had some articles on Computing, one on Operating systems by Hunter Skipworth said that Linux was available, but not good for the un-techy user. I couldn't find the article online, so can't use his exact words. Then along comes their techy page giving assistance (Rick Maybury), and recommending a Linux disk to help a user recover her data. Peter -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Daily Telegraph, Saturday 21st
Typical Daily Telegraph. Choice frightens them. Simono On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 13:23 +0100, Peter Merchant wrote: > Technology section had some articles on Computing, one on Operating > systems by Hunter Skipworth said that Linux was available, but not good > for the un-techy user. I couldn't find the article online, so can't use > his exact words. > > Then along comes their techy page giving assistance (Rick Maybury), and > recommending a Linux disk to help a user recover her data. > > Peter > > > -- > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 >Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset >List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Boot up fault Ubuntu 10.04
On 20/08/10 21:13, jr wrote: hi Clive, With:- sudo gedit /var/log/gdm/:0.log (thanks Dan) Got into :0.log but did not understand what was listed, large file, is there any way to save file and post to you without copy to list? Assume I can give different name with 'save as' from getdit and save to my documents area; without causing problems? Also don't know if what I'm seeing is latest start up info as it started OK for last 2x. on my system (slackware) the X server's log file is *overwritten* every time X starts up. to save the file you could simply copy it to your home directory, eg: sudo cp /var/log/gdm/:0.log ~/old.0.log Might be better with: sudo cp /var/log/gdm/:0.log ~/old.0.log; sudo chown $USER ~/old.0.log Otherwise the file will still have root ownership I think. If you want to share it, you could do: sudo cat /var/log/gdm/:0.log | xsel -i Then create a new mail message and click the middle mouse button to paste the log in where you want. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Lucid reliability
Hi foks, Thanks for you comments. I think I'll stall for a bit. If I might try to get an idle PC up together to install lucid to in order to kick it around for a bit. Though I'm not so concerned about how easily it is set up but more about how well it keeps going long term. if only Canonical would let you use straight alsa instead of pulseaudio, And offered KDE3.5 as an option until KDE4 caught up with it. Cheers, Kev -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
[Dorset] SMB or NFS
Following on from our conversation Clive, I have looked at NFS, as we discussed using it instead of SMB. A comment from one of the forums says: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=473136 "NFS enables Unix like machine to share files with other Unix like machines. SAMBA allows Unix like machines to share files with other Unix like machines AND Window machines." This is not quite true as Microsoft has NFS support. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324055 >From the looks of it, sticking with SMB looks easier, but maybe some body has other views. The textbook that I have (dated 2000) discusses NFS with respect to NTFS under NT, which is not the same NTFS used by XP/Vista etc. It also comments about how many variations on NFS there are, which can cause aggro. I found the IETF specs for NFS also, and they seem to have been stable since 2004. Peter -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Computer-janitor ramifications
Hi Peter, > > You could see if the versions of the openoffice.org-common available > > and chosen to be installed differ between the two machines. > > > > $ apt-cache policy openoffice.org-common > > openoffice.org-common: > > Installed: 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 > > Candidate: 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 > > Version table: > > *** 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 0 > > 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main > > Packages > > 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/main > > Packages > > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4 0 > > 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages > > $ > > > > On this 10.04 machine it has the latest, "***", installed. > > Not sure what this tells me for my machine: > pet...@peterm-desktop:~$ apt-cache policy openoffice.org-common > openoffice.org-common: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 > Version table: > 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 0 > 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/mainPackages > 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/mainPackages > 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4 0 > 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages > 1:3.1.1-5ubuntu1 0 > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > Writer tells me that I am on OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 000320M18 Build 9502. > But it's there and it works. Oh, I assumed from its name that openoffice.org-common would always be installed. aptitude search '~i ~nopenoffice' will give a list of what packages are installed for OpenOffice and you can then re-do the policy query with one of them. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Boot up fault Ubuntu 10.04
Hi jr, > on my system (slackware) the X server's log file is *overwritten* > every time X starts up. It seems Ubuntu cycles them so that doesn't happen. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] SMB or NFS
On 21/08/10 17:43, Peter Merchant wrote: Following on from our conversation Clive, I have looked at NFS, as we discussed using it instead of SMB. This article is worth reading including the comments. http://www.brighthub.com/computing/linux/articles/10839.aspx I would keep it simple, all Linux network, use NFS. If also have Windows, use SAMBA. -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] SMB or NFS
On 21/08/2010 20:32, John Cooper wrote: > > > I would keep it simple, all Linux network, use NFS. If also have > Windows, use SAMBA. I concur. NFS is great for sharing between Linux boxes although there are some windows clients around. It is useful to have your group and user IDs matched on the machines you are linking with NFS (not a problem if you are using a centralised user management scheme like LDAP or kerberos. Si -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Computer-janitor ramifications
On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 18:50 +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Peter, > > > > You could see if the versions of the openoffice.org-common available > > > and chosen to be installed differ between the two machines. > > > > > > $ apt-cache policy openoffice.org-common > > > openoffice.org-common: > > > Installed: 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 > > > Candidate: 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 > > > Version table: > > > *** 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 0 > > > 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main > > > Packages > > > 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/main > > > Packages > > > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > > 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4 0 > > > 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages > > > $ > > > > > > On this 10.04 machine it has the latest, "***", installed. > > > > Not sure what this tells me for my machine: > > pet...@peterm-desktop:~$ apt-cache policy openoffice.org-common > > openoffice.org-common: > > Installed: (none) > > Candidate: 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 > > Version table: > > 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4.1 0 > > 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/mainPackages > > 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/mainPackages > > 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu4 0 > > 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages > > 1:3.1.1-5ubuntu1 0 > > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > > > Writer tells me that I am on OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 000320M18 Build 9502. > > But it's there and it works. > > Oh, I assumed from its name that openoffice.org-common would always be > installed. > > aptitude search '~i ~nopenoffice' > > will give a list of what packages are installed for OpenOffice and you > can then re-do the policy query with one of them. > > Cheers, > Ralph. here we go. apt-cache policy openoffice.org3 openoffice.org3: Installed: 3.2.1-18 Candidate: 3.2.1-18 Version table: *** 3.2.1-18 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] SMB or NFS
Hi Peter On 21/08/10 17:43, Peter Merchant wrote: Following on from our conversation Clive, I have looked at NFS, as we discussed using it instead of SMB. A comment from one of the forums says: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=473136 "NFS enables Unix like machine to share files with other Unix like machines. SAMBA allows Unix like machines to share files with other Unix like machines AND Window machines." This is not quite true as Microsoft has NFS support. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324055 From the looks of it, sticking with SMB looks easier, but maybe some body has other views. The textbook that I have (dated 2000) discusses NFS with respect to NTFS under NT, which is not the same NTFS used by XP/Vista etc. It also comments about how many variations on NFS there are, which can cause aggro. I found the IETF specs for NFS also, and they seem to have been stable since 2004. The ability of a user on a client with root access being able to gain access to other users' files on an NFS server seemed like a fundamental problem when I was making this same decision. With SMB you have got much better security. mount.cifs (certainly on recent Debian releases) does appear to be a bit of a work-in-progress, but it can be made to (mostly) work. The main problem I've had is mapping permissions. In theory, it should be possible to force exactly what you want with the create mask and force create mode directives in smb.conf, but mount.cifs has niggling issues with actually taking notice of these. (CIFS has superceded SMB). This may all have been sorted on more recent Samba releases. If speed is not an issue, and built-in end-to-end security is relevant, sshfs may also be worth a look. It's also very quick and easy to get up-and-running. Cheers Tim -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] SMB or NFS
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:24:15 +0100, t...@ls83.eclipse.co.uk said: > The ability of a user on a client with root access being able to gain > access to other users' files on an NFS server seemed like a fundamental > problem when I was making this same decision. With SMB you have got much > better security. Such a user only has access to other files if the exported filesystem is mounted no_root_squash (which isn't the default). I do agree that security and access control can be managed far better with CIFS *if* it is set up correctly, which - in my experience - it seldom is. Non-scientific tests that I've done also show that CIFS is significantly faster than NFSv3. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Computer-janitor ramifications
Hi Peter, > apt-cache policy openoffice.org3 > openoffice.org3: > Installed: 3.2.1-18 > Candidate: 3.2.1-18 > Version table: > *** 3.2.1-18 0 > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status That package isn't known in any repository, since none are listed with the version they provide. So you've installed a .deb, perhaps directly from OO's website? Maybe Clive did the same on one of his machines, used the repo's version on the other, and that's why his two machines differ. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
