Re: [Dorset] Is Linux suffering from Mono ?
On 24 Jun 2009, at 00:54, John Cooper wrote: Peter Washington wrote: Hi Folks, http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/67387.html Discuss. Get the link right first and express you own view for discussion! (I dislike this form of posting) http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Is-Linux-Suffering-From-Mono-67387.html Mono is open source software and allows developers the ability to code for both Linux OS and the abusive monopolist M$. This might smart a bit for hard core fundamentalist free software nerds, but our world is as much political as doing the right thing so fine by me. The more software that is written for both platforms, the more true choice we have. I have no problem with Mono and C# in principle, however since Microsoft haven't opened up the specification for WinForms it's very difficult to create a cross-platform application with Mono that includes a GUI. If the WinForms API was opened up so that other platforms could run those applications I might think differently. It also concerns me that Microsoft might at a later date extend the .NET runtime and not publish the changes back to the ECMA, leaving other .NET CLR implementations at a serious disadvantage. If we're just talking about building Linux specific programs however, I can't see a problem with the developer picking whichever tool best fits the job, if that's C#/Mono then so be it. - Dan Wentworth http://www.phoenixdev.co.uk/ Available for freelance web work: Standards compliant PHP or Ruby on Rails driven applications -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2009-07-07 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Is Linux suffering from Mono ?
Ralph Corderoy wrote: That matches what I've heard. Mono may exist but writing cross-platform GUIs with it without reverting to (the non-MS) Gtk+ or similar isn't practical given its level of support for Windows' APIs on Linux. So if folks are effectively writing Linux-only apps then they're just choosing a programming language and libraries; it just happens to be one originating at Microsoft. The long-term risk is that support for it may wither as enthusiasm for trying to keep up with Microsoft wanes. GTK+ is available for Windows AFAIK. I've certainly run GTK apps on Windows (Dia, Gimp) which involves installing GTK libraries for Windows. I'm wondering now if any cross-platform GTK/Mono/.NET apps already exist! -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2009-07-07 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Is Linux suffering from Mono ?
2009/6/24 John Carlyle-Clarke j...@wormdrive.net: Ralph Corderoy wrote: That matches what I've heard. Mono may exist but writing cross-platform GUIs with it without reverting to (the non-MS) Gtk+ or similar isn't practical given its level of support for Windows' APIs on Linux. So if folks are effectively writing Linux-only apps then they're just choosing a programming language and libraries; it just happens to be one originating at Microsoft. The long-term risk is that support for it may wither as enthusiasm for trying to keep up with Microsoft wanes. GTK+ is available for Windows AFAIK. I've certainly run GTK apps on Windows (Dia, Gimp) which involves installing GTK libraries for Windows. I'm wondering now if any cross-platform GTK/Mono/.NET apps already exist! -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2009-07-07 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset I believe that Banshee, which I think is a mono app, is available under OSX now and might be coming to Windows. I think Tomboy, the note taking app is in the same position as well. -- Andrew Montgomery-Hurrell Professional Geek Blog: http://darkliquid.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/darkliquid Fiction: http://www.protagonize.com/author/darkliquid -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2009-07-07 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Is Linux suffering from Mono ?
Banshee is a buggy resource hog.(Compared to Rhythmbox). Andrew Montgomery-Hurrell wrote: 2009/6/24 John Carlyle-Clarke j...@wormdrive.net: Ralph Corderoy wrote: That matches what I've heard. Mono may exist but writing cross-platform GUIs with it without reverting to (the non-MS) Gtk+ or similar isn't practical given its level of support for Windows' APIs on Linux. So if folks are effectively writing Linux-only apps then they're just choosing a programming language and libraries; it just happens to be one originating at Microsoft. The long-term risk is that support for it may wither as enthusiasm for trying to keep up with Microsoft wanes. GTK+ is available for Windows AFAIK. I've certainly run GTK apps on Windows (Dia, Gimp) which involves installing GTK libraries for Windows. I'm wondering now if any cross-platform GTK/Mono/.NET apps already exist! -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2009-07-07 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset I believe that Banshee, which I think is a mono app, is available under OSX now and might be coming to Windows. I think Tomboy, the note taking app is in the same position as well. -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2009-07-07 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Is Linux suffering from Mono ?
Hi Andrew, John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: GTK+ is available for Windows AFAIK. Yes, that's right. But I thought the overhead of wrapping it for CIL might be an obstacle. I've certainly run GTK apps on Windows (Dia, Gimp) which involves installing GTK libraries for Windows. Â I'm wondering now if any cross-platform GTK/Mono/.NET apps already exist! I believe that Banshee, which I think is a mono app, is available under OSX now and might be coming to Windows. You're right. http://banshee-project.org/support/faq/ Does Banshee run on Windows or OS X? Starting with Banshee 1.4, packages are available for OS X. See the download page for details. There has been substantial work done to make Banshee run on Windows but there has not been a release of this work yet. We expect to release official packages for Windows soon. I think Tomboy, the note taking app is in the same position as well. It's actually got the release for Windows out. http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/download.html Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2009-07-07 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Is Linux suffering from Mono ?
Simon O'Riordan wrote: Banshee is a buggy resource hog.(Compared to Rhythmbox). This is definitely a case of ymmv. I tested with a library of 18,000 tracks and found:- Banshee: 205MB Exaile 164MB RhythmBox 93MB Whenever I run Rhythmbox, it crashes after a while though! Evidently Banshee uses more resources than Rhythmbox but I prefer the features and interface so an extra 100MB is a tradeoff I'm willing and able to make. Banshee was very buggy when I first tried it some time back, but it's under active development and gives me no problems at all now. I just found Rhythmbox buggy, ugly and unituitive as a former Amarok user. Exaile was nice but it struggled with a large library - this may have changed since I last tried it. On my older machine I run mpd and either Sonata or ncmpc (curses-based mpd controller) which is also very nice but at the other end of the resources/features continuum! -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2009-07-07 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Is Linux suffering from Mono ?
Interesting. I did take another look at Banshee a while back, but it suffered from database corruption. Ever look at Elisa from Fluendo Embedded? Very different interface, truly GUI. John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: Simon O'Riordan wrote: Banshee is a buggy resource hog.(Compared to Rhythmbox). This is definitely a case of ymmv. I tested with a library of 18,000 tracks and found:- Banshee: 205MB Exaile 164MB RhythmBox 93MB Whenever I run Rhythmbox, it crashes after a while though! Evidently Banshee uses more resources than Rhythmbox but I prefer the features and interface so an extra 100MB is a tradeoff I'm willing and able to make. Banshee was very buggy when I first tried it some time back, but it's under active development and gives me no problems at all now. I just found Rhythmbox buggy, ugly and unituitive as a former Amarok user. Exaile was nice but it struggled with a large library - this may have changed since I last tried it. On my older machine I run mpd and either Sonata or ncmpc (curses-based mpd controller) which is also very nice but at the other end of the resources/features continuum! -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2009-07-07 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Is Linux suffering from Mono ?
Peter Washington wrote: Hi Folks, http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/67387.html Discuss. Get the link right first and express you own view for discussion! (I dislike this form of posting) http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Is-Linux-Suffering-From-Mono-67387.html Mono is open source software and allows developers the ability to code for both Linux OS and the abusive monopolist M$. This might smart a bit for hard core fundamentalist free software nerds, but our world is as much political as doing the right thing so fine by me. The more software that is written for both platforms, the more true choice we have. -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Next meeting: Dorchester, Tuesday 2009-07-07 20:00 Dorset LUG: http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
