Re: [Dovecot] Bus factor of dovecot / GIT
Timo Sirainen t...@iki.fi: I'm not as much against git anymore as I was when I switched to hg, but I don't see much benefits in switching to git either. I highly doubt I'd get even a single patch more if I used git instead of hg. FWIW the distingushing feature of git isn't that it is a ditributed VCS. It's the ease with which it does branching and merging. What put me off git for a long time, was Linus' arrogance wrt. to existing version control systems. But after using git, I have to admit that it is... quite clever. Especially the branching and merging stuff.
[Dovecot] Bus factor of dovecot / GIT
Hi, somebody from the kolab groupware project recently explained me that the Bus- Factor[1] of around 1 would be one of their primary reasons not to use Dovecot and stick with Cyrus. What do you think about that? Is the bus factor much higher then 1? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor Somehow related: Since the free software world[2] slowly converges towards GIT as the one and only VCS, have you thought about a switch? It's much more likely that somebody checks out your code, looks into it and provides patches if the VCS is already installed. [2] Android, Debian, Drupal, Eclipse, Fedora, Gnome, KDE, Linux Kernel, Perl, PHP (ongoing), PostgreSQL, Qt, Ruby on Rails, X.org (freedesktop.org) Best regards, Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro
Re: [Dovecot] Bus factor of dovecot / GIT
On 11/09/2011 10:29 AM, Thomas Koch wrote: Somehow related: Since the free software world[2] slowly converges towards GIT as the one and only VCS, have you thought about a switch? It's much more likely that somebody checks out your code, looks into it and provides patches if the VCS is already installed. [2] Android, Debian, Drupal, Eclipse, Fedora, Gnome, KDE, Linux Kernel, Perl, PHP (ongoing), PostgreSQL, Qt, Ruby on Rails, X.org (freedesktop.org) polemic I don't know where you inferred that, but for sure Debian is not converging to git; we have that VCS as many others and none is the preferred/superior. Please try to balance what you say with actual facts: backing your reasoning with partial data is misleading for others not knowing the env you're talking about. /polemic Regards, -- Sandro Tosi Product Engineer Shared Hosting Products RD | Dada.pro eml sandro.t...@register.it
Re: [Dovecot] Bus factor of dovecot / GIT
Am Mittwoch, 9. November 2011, 10:29:37 schrieb Thomas Koch: Hi, somebody from the kolab groupware project recently explained me that the Bus- Factor[1] of around 1 would be one of their primary reasons not to use Dovecot and stick with Cyrus. The problem is: Even it Timo will be hitten by a bus, everybody could stay on the actual Dovecot-version and everything's fine. Cyrus will IMO never reach the level, that Dovecot already has. :-) Peer P.S.: Timo! Don't leave your house. It's too dangerous for you. -- Heinlein Professional Linux Support GmbH Linux: Akademie - Support - Hosting http://www.heinlein-support.de Tel: 030/405051-42 Fax: 030/405051-19 Zwangsangaben lt. §35a GmbHG: HRB 93818 B / Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg, Geschäftsführer: Peer Heinlein -- Sitz: Berlin
Re: [Dovecot] Bus factor of dovecot / GIT
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 10:29 +0100, Thomas Koch wrote: somebody from the kolab groupware project recently explained me that the Bus- Factor[1] of around 1 would be one of their primary reasons not to use Dovecot and stick with Cyrus. What do you think about that? Is the bus factor much higher then 1? I've created a company for Dovecot support, and if all goes well we should have at least one other coder in not too distant future (anyone want a job? :) Also besides me there's already at least Stephan Bosch who has written Dovecot's Sieve/ManageSieve implementations. I don't know if he'd take care of the whole Dovecot if I happened to die right now, but at least he knows the code pretty well. There are also a few big companies that have some people who have done some Dovecot coding. Also the Bus-Factor of Cyrus doesn't seem to be much higher than 1 to me. AFAIK there's only a single person currently developing it actively (plus I guess a few more not-very-active developers from CMU). Somehow related: Since the free software world[2] slowly converges towards GIT as the one and only VCS, have you thought about a switch? It's much more likely that somebody checks out your code, looks into it and provides patches if the VCS is already installed. I'm not as much against git anymore as I was when I switched to hg, but I don't see much benefits in switching to git either. I highly doubt I'd get even a single patch more if I used git instead of hg. The biggest problem with lack of patches is that few people are interested in coding a mail server. You can see the same with all open source IMAP/SMTP servers (and probably commercial ones too). Nearly always there's only a single guy who has written almost all of it.
Re: [Dovecot] Bus factor of dovecot / GIT
On Nov 9, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Timo Sirainen wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 10:29 +0100, Thomas Koch wrote: Somehow related: Since the free software world[2] slowly converges towards GIT as the one and only VCS, have you thought about a switch? It's much more likely that somebody checks out your code, looks into it and provides patches if the VCS is already installed. I'm not as much against git anymore as I was when I switched to hg, but I don't see much benefits in switching to git either. I highly doubt I'd get even a single patch more if I used git instead of hg. Hg / Git. Either seems fine to me. My big concern would be that the source history is in multiple accessible places around the world. This is the biggest limitation of SVN to my mind. Could I suggest a google code clone as an additional VCS backup location?
Re: [Dovecot] Bus factor of dovecot / GIT
On 11/09/2011 10:29 AM Thomas Koch wrote: Hi, somebody from the kolab groupware project recently explained me that the Bus- Factor[1] of around 1 would be one of their primary reasons not to use Dovecot and stick with Cyrus. And what is their primary reason for the lame excuse? Too many cooks spoil the broth. just my 2¢ Regards, Pascal -- The trapper recommends today: fabaceae.1131...@localdomain.org
