Re: [Dovecot] Public folders using NAMESPACE

2007-05-13 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 04:15 -0700, Joakim Ryden wrote:
> One question or minor detail about the user-specific INDEX
> settings: it looks like Dovecot creates index folders for all namespace
> folders including a folder called ".INBOX" which seems redundant since
> the top level namespace (I assume "INBOX refers to the top level name
> space in this case) shouldn't contain any messages, only folders, right?

Right. I fixed this in CVS HEAD now, but I think it'll stay as it is in
v1.0.x.



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Re: [Dovecot] Public folders using NAMESPACE

2007-04-17 Thread Joakim Ryden
Timo Sirainen wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 03:48 -0700, Joakim Ryden wrote:
>> With this, "Public Folders" shows up (testing with Thunderbird) but
>> not as an
>> italic special folder (does that make sense?) as it does on all other
>> accounts I
>> have on other servers which support public folders. 
> 
> I think I heard that Thunderbird uses IMAP ACL extension to check if
> some mailbox is shared or not. Dovecot doesn't support IMAP ACL
> extension yet. Or it might be something else too I suppose.

I think you're absolutely right.

>> which also shows up nicely, I can copy email in there and subscribe
>> and
>> unsubsribe to this subfolder, but clicking on "Public Folders" gives:
>> Mailbox
>> doesn't exist: Public Folders. which I'm sure is because I've missed
>> or
>> misunderstood something :)  Any ideas?
> 
> Well, unfortunately that doesn't work. Dovecot doesn't currently support
> subscribing to namespace prefixes, only to mailboxes inside the
> namespace. You might be able to kludge around that by making the
> subscription go to the private namespace. Either manually updating the
> subscriptions file, or removing this code from
> src/imap/cmd-subscriptions.c:
> 
>   if (!client_verify_mailbox_name(cmd, verify_name, subscribe, FALSE))
>   return TRUE;

Hmm, maybe I'm showing my lack of understanding of the inner workings of
namespaces here (it is more than slightly possible!) but are you really
supposed to be able to subscribe to a namespace? On other servers with
this functionality that I have access to I think it's "selectable" but
not "subscribable" per say.

> Actually another problem you're going to have is those shared namespace
> subscriptions, unless you want to force every user to have same ones. If
> you don't, you'll need to set CONTROL path to user-specific directory.

Ah yes, I figured out the user-specific CONTROL and INDEX settings,
pretty cool. One question or minor detail about the user-specific INDEX
settings: it looks like Dovecot creates index folders for all namespace
folders including a folder called ".INBOX" which seems redundant since
the top level namespace (I assume "INBOX refers to the top level name
space in this case) shouldn't contain any messages, only folders, right?

> For Dovecot v1.1 I'll try to figure out how to make all this work
> better.

Awesome. Thanks for your patience Timo!

Cheers!

--Jo



Re: [Dovecot] Public folders using NAMESPACE

2007-04-17 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 03:48 -0700, Joakim Ryden wrote:
> 
> With this, "Public Folders" shows up (testing with Thunderbird) but
> not as an
> italic special folder (does that make sense?) as it does on all other
> accounts I
> have on other servers which support public folders. 

I think I heard that Thunderbird uses IMAP ACL extension to check if
some mailbox is shared or not. Dovecot doesn't support IMAP ACL
extension yet. Or it might be something else too I suppose.

> which also shows up nicely, I can copy email in there and subscribe
> and
> unsubsribe to this subfolder, but clicking on "Public Folders" gives:
> Mailbox
> doesn't exist: Public Folders. which I'm sure is because I've missed
> or
> misunderstood something :)  Any ideas?

Well, unfortunately that doesn't work. Dovecot doesn't currently support
subscribing to namespace prefixes, only to mailboxes inside the
namespace. You might be able to kludge around that by making the
subscription go to the private namespace. Either manually updating the
subscriptions file, or removing this code from
src/imap/cmd-subscriptions.c:

if (!client_verify_mailbox_name(cmd, verify_name, subscribe, FALSE))
return TRUE;

Actually another problem you're going to have is those shared namespace
subscriptions, unless you want to force every user to have same ones. If
you don't, you'll need to set CONTROL path to user-specific directory.

For Dovecot v1.1 I'll try to figure out how to make all this work
better.



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Re: [Dovecot] Public folders using NAMESPACE

2007-04-17 Thread Joakim Ryden
On Tue, April 17, 2007 3:48 am, Joakim Ryden wrote:
> On Tue, April 17, 2007 2:29 am, Timo Sirainen wrote:
>> On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 02:14 -0700, Joakim Ryden wrote:
>>> I've been trying to research how to (or if possible at all) implement public
>>> folders using the namespace feature on a server with multiple virtual
>>> domains.
>>> After about an hour of looking around I'm a little confused. :)
>>
>> Did you read this? http://wiki.dovecot.org/SharedMailboxes
>>
>> I now added a link there from ACL page.
>
> Thanks Timo! That's pretty helpful. I think I'm still missing something 
> though.
> I have the following configuration:
>
>
> namespace public {
>   separator = .
>   prefix = Public Folders.
>   location = maildir:/var/mailstore/shared-folders/%d/Maildir
> }
>
> namespace private {
>   separator = .
>   prefix =
>   inbox = yes
> }
>
> With this, "Public Folders" shows up (testing with Thunderbird) but not as an
> italic special folder (does that make sense?) as it does on all other 
> accounts I
> have on other servers which support public folders. I created a folder here:
>
> /var/mailstore/shared-folders/domain.com/Maildir/.Announcements
>
> which also shows up nicely, I can copy email in there and subscribe and
> unsubsribe to this subfolder, but clicking on "Public Folders" gives: Mailbox
> doesn't exist: Public Folders. which I'm sure is because I've missed or
> misunderstood something :)  Any ideas?
>
> Cheers!
>
> --Jo

Ok, I'm a dumb ass. If I would actually use my eyes I would see:

"Another problem is that although the namespace prefix shows up as a normal
looking mailbox, Dovecot doesn't allow subscribing to it because it's not a real
mailbox. This will be fixed in later versions."

on the wiki page. Nevermind me :)  I assume this hasn't been fixed yet?



Re: [Dovecot] Public folders using NAMESPACE

2007-04-17 Thread Joakim Ryden
On Tue, April 17, 2007 2:29 am, Timo Sirainen wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 02:14 -0700, Joakim Ryden wrote:
>> I've been trying to research how to (or if possible at all) implement public
>> folders using the namespace feature on a server with multiple virtual 
>> domains.
>> After about an hour of looking around I'm a little confused. :)
>
> Did you read this? http://wiki.dovecot.org/SharedMailboxes
>
> I now added a link there from ACL page.

Thanks Timo! That's pretty helpful. I think I'm still missing something though.
I have the following configuration:


namespace public {
  separator = .
  prefix = Public Folders.
  location = maildir:/var/mailstore/shared-folders/%d/Maildir
}

namespace private {
  separator = .
  prefix =
  inbox = yes
}

With this, "Public Folders" shows up (testing with Thunderbird) but not as an
italic special folder (does that make sense?) as it does on all other accounts I
have on other servers which support public folders. I created a folder here:

/var/mailstore/shared-folders/domain.com/Maildir/.Announcements

which also shows up nicely, I can copy email in there and subscribe and
unsubsribe to this subfolder, but clicking on "Public Folders" gives: Mailbox
doesn't exist: Public Folders. which I'm sure is because I've missed or
misunderstood something :)  Any ideas?

Cheers!

--Jo



Re: [Dovecot] Public folders using NAMESPACE

2007-04-17 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 02:14 -0700, Joakim Ryden wrote:
> I've been trying to research how to (or if possible at all) implement public
> folders using the namespace feature on a server with multiple virtual domains.
> After about an hour of looking around I'm a little confused. :)

Did you read this? http://wiki.dovecot.org/SharedMailboxes

I now added a link there from ACL page.



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[Dovecot] Public folders using NAMESPACE

2007-04-17 Thread Joakim Ryden
Howdy folks!

I've been trying to research how to (or if possible at all) implement public
folders using the namespace feature on a server with multiple virtual domains.
After about an hour of looking around I'm a little confused. :) I guess there
are two questions:

1) Is it possible / does it work?
2) If yes, does anyone have a sample configuration or write-up of How You Did
It[TM] to share?

I've been mainly focusing on the thread from here:

http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2006-June/013683.html

and the wiki ACL documentation:

http://wiki.dovecot.org/ACL

but I'm having a hard time piecing it all together...

Thanks for any and all tips!

--Jo