Re: [Dovecot] RFC 4468

2010-04-12 Thread Mike Abbott
> the MUA submits the message to the IMAP server and then the IMAP server 
> forwards it to the MTA.

The MUA submits the message to the IMAP server.  Then the MUA tells the 
submission server to fetch the message from the IMAP server.  The IMAP server 
does not push the message out to the MTA.

Re: [Dovecot] RFC 4468

2010-04-10 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-04-09 11:14 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> There's an active BURL thread on the postfix-users list right now and it
> seems Wietse and Victor are open to looking at the idea.  Timo have you had
> any chats with Wietse and/or Victor about BURL, Postfix, and Dovecot as of
> yet?  I'm just assuming for some reason that you've interacted with Wietse
> in the past on one level or another.  My apologies if this is not the case.
> 
> Anyway, seems the time may be right to engage this feature and coordinate
> with some MTA devs to get it working correctly.

This sounds suspiciously similar to the thread where I asked about some
kind of support for 'Saving to Sent folder' automatically, so the
message wouldn't have to be sent over the wire twice:

http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2010-March/047272.html

There have been a number of threads on the postfix list about this, and
the last one actually resulted in a reasonable sounding workaround:

http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2010-03/0070.html

> Does anyone know if Firefox has support for BURL submission yet, or does it
> even need it?

Why would it? If Firefox is being used then your talking about a webmail
client, so the message is never downloaded to the local client anyway.

> I've not looked at the actual message paths defined by this extension
> yet. My assumption is that with this extension, the MUA submits the
> message to the IMAP server and then the IMAP server forwards it to
> the MTA. Or do I have it backwards?

That's what it sounded like to me - which is why I said it sounds
exactly like what I had discussed in the thread referenced above -
calling it a dovecot LSA (Local Submission Agent)...

-- 

Best regards,

Charles


Re: [Dovecot] RFC 4468

2010-04-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Erik Logtenberg put forth on 4/9/2010 9:12 AM:
> You know, I was thinking: wouldn't it be nice to have RFC 4468 (Message
> Submission BURL Extension) support in dovecot? Maybe we should ask the
> guys from Apple to contribute some support for it, I have a gut feeling
> they would gladly do so ;)

There's an active BURL thread on the postfix-users list right now and it
seems Wietse and Victor are open to looking at the idea.  Timo have you had
any chats with Wietse and/or Victor about BURL, Postfix, and Dovecot as of
yet?  I'm just assuming for some reason that you've interacted with Wietse
in the past on one level or another.  My apologies if this is not the case.

Anyway, seems the time may be right to engage this feature and coordinate
with some MTA devs to get it working correctly.

Does anyone know if Firefox has support for BURL submission yet, or does it
even need it?  I've not looked at the actual message paths defined by this
extension yet.  My assumption is that with this extension, the MUA submits
the message to the IMAP server and then the IMAP server forwards it to the
MTA.  Or do I have it backwards?

-- 
Stan


Re: [Dovecot] RFC 4468

2010-04-09 Thread Erik Logtenberg
On 04/09/2010 07:05 PM, Mike Abbott wrote:
>> wouldn't it be nice to have RFC 4468
> 
> Actually, Apple contributed such support a few hours ago but it's stuck in 
> the mailing list queue because the patch is big.  As soon as Timo approves 
> the posting

What a nice coincidence ;)


Re: [Dovecot] RFC 4468

2010-04-09 Thread Mike Abbott
> wouldn't it be nice to have RFC 4468

Actually, Apple contributed such support a few hours ago but it's stuck in the 
mailing list queue because the patch is big.  As soon as Timo approves the 
posting

[Dovecot] RFC 4468

2010-04-09 Thread Erik Logtenberg
You know, I was thinking: wouldn't it be nice to have RFC 4468 (Message
Submission BURL Extension) support in dovecot? Maybe we should ask the
guys from Apple to contribute some support for it, I have a gut feeling
they would gladly do so ;)

Kind regards

-- Erik.