Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On 2010-06-21 9:26 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: BTW, I'm pretty sure mailbox_size_limit affects both mbox and maildir: snip For obvious reasons this will rarely affect maildir users (unless they receive 50MB attachments), Correct - I had to set both, because we do have to deal with very large attachments (we're in the advertising industry, so think lots of JPGs and hi-res PDFs)... -- Best regards, Charles
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On 2010-06-21 12:20 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Set in /etc/postfix/main.cf mailbox_size_limit = 0 That's generally never a good idea (sets it to unlimited). Much better to just set it to a sane limit. If you don't wanna get bit in the ass, don't do things in such a manner that they can come back and bite you in the ass. -- Best regards, Charles
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
Charles Marcus put forth on 6/21/2010 12:23 PM: On 2010-06-21 12:20 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Set in /etc/postfix/main.cf mailbox_size_limit = 0 That's generally never a good idea (sets it to unlimited). Much better to just set it to a sane limit. That's a purely subjective statement Charles. mailbox_size_limit is a poor man's disk quota system and was designed strictly to be used by Postfix only when Postfix is doing local delivery. Wietse didn't envision this being active when using an external LDA. Many (most?) Postfix admins don't even know of its existence until they run afoul of the default limit of ~50MB. The sane thing to do is implement proper mailbox size quota management in Dovecot or at the filesystem level as these methods allow different quotas for different users. This setting exists in Postfix solely for the case when Postfix is configured to perform local delivery itself. When piping delivery to a downstream application that actually does the disk write, mailbox_size_limit should always be disabled, so the downstream LDA or filesystem quota engine can do its job without interference from Postfix. -- Stan
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On 2010-06-21 5:31 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Charles Marcus put forth on 6/21/2010 12:23 PM: On 2010-06-21 12:20 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Set in /etc/postfix/main.cf mailbox_size_limit = 0 That's generally never a good idea (sets it to unlimited). Much better to just set it to a sane limit. That's a purely subjective statement Charles. mailbox_size_limit is a poor man's disk quota system and was designed strictly to be used by Postfix only when Postfix is doing local delivery. Actually, since I don't use mbox, I confused this with message_size_limit... So... never mind... ;)
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
Charles Marcus put forth on 6/21/2010 4:43 PM: On 2010-06-21 5:31 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Charles Marcus put forth on 6/21/2010 12:23 PM: On 2010-06-21 12:20 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Set in /etc/postfix/main.cf mailbox_size_limit = 0 That's generally never a good idea (sets it to unlimited). Much better to just set it to a sane limit. That's a purely subjective statement Charles. mailbox_size_limit is a poor man's disk quota system and was designed strictly to be used by Postfix only when Postfix is doing local delivery. Actually, since I don't use mbox, I confused this with message_size_limit... So... never mind... ;) It's cool. BTW, I'm pretty sure mailbox_size_limit affects both mbox and maildir: mailbox_size_limit (default: 5120) The maximal size of any local(8) individual mailbox or maildir file, or zero (no limit). In fact, this limits the size of any file that is written to upon local delivery, including files written by external commands that are executed by the local(8) delivery agent. This limit must not be smaller than the message size limit. For obvious reasons this will rarely affect maildir users (unless they receive 50MB attachments), whereas mbox users pushing emails into archival type or list mail storing IMAP folders with sieve will bump into this more frequently (which is what happened to me and prompted my addition to the LDA/Postfix wiki section). Another common scenario, probably more common actually, is mbox+POP users who never delete anything leaving it all in INBOX. -- Stan
[Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
Hello, I am having this error message on some rare emails with more than 6 mb or so. Neither the dovecot server nor the filesystem where the maildir resides have any quota or are full at the time of delivering. The mails goes getmail-postfix-dovecot delivery agent Is the mail written to any other place than the maildir folder? Even though all my temp folders should also be able to hold some megabytes... Thanks for any help, Johannes message: *sieve: info: started log at ... error: msgid=XXX: failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. * dovecot --version 1.2.10 dovecot -n # 1.2.10: /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf # OS: Linux 2.6.26-2-686 i686 Debian 5.0.4 xfs log_timestamp: %Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S protocols: imaps ssl_cert_file: /etc/certificates/XXX ssl_key_file: /etc/certificates/XXX login_dir: /var/run/dovecot/login login_executable: /usr/lib/dovecot/imap-login login_greeting: XXX mail_access_groups: mail mail_location: maildir:/services/mail/%u mbox_write_locks: fcntl dotlock lda: postmaster_address: root mail_plugins: sieve auth default: verbose: yes passdb: driver: pam userdb: driver: passwd plugin: sieve: /var/sieve-scripts/%u/filter.sieve
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
Johannes Dröge put forth on 6/20/2010 1:25 PM: Hello, I am having this error message on some rare emails with more than 6 mb or so. Neither the dovecot server nor the filesystem where the maildir resides have any quota or are full at the time of delivering. The mails goes getmail-postfix-dovecot delivery agent Set in /etc/postfix/main.cf mailbox_size_limit = 0 and reload Postfix. http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Postfix -- Stan
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
Timo Sirainen put forth on 6/10/2010 10:54 PM: On 11.6.2010, at 4.23, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Jakob Curdes put forth on 6/10/2010 10:54 AM: Same here, we run a mailbox_size_limit of 700MB and have several users regularly hitting the limit. Can't really slap them as they would reply on google I have 7 GB mail space. I wonder how often Google does full disaster recovery off site backup/mirroring of all those millions of _free_ 7GB mailboxen. AFAIK, Google makes no guarantees WRT mailbox contents. They may have full multi site redundancy, but I've yet to read a whitepaper describing it. GMail (probably) uses Bigtable, which does have a whitepaper: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/labs.google.com/en//papers/bigtable-osdi06.pdf Thanks Timo. I'm surprised I hadn't run across this yet. I've been curious about it for a while now. -- Stan
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On 2010-06-10 11:23 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I wonder how often Google does full disaster recovery off site backup/mirroring of all those millions of _free_ 7GB mailboxen. AFAIK, Google makes no guarantees WRT mailbox contents. They may have full multi site redundancy, but I've yet to read a whitepaper describing it. Anyone who stores critical email on a free service gets no sympathy from me if they lose anything. That said, I've only heard a few horror stories of services losing all of someone's email (I think it was hotmail, many years ago, some woman used it exclusively for her business email and lost like 7 years worth of critical emails). They're actually pretty reliable... but for me its more the privacy (or lack thereof) issue that keeps me from using them more... -- Best regards, Charles
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 09:17 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: They're actually pretty reliable... but for me its more the privacy (or lack thereof) issue that keeps me from using them more... eh? you have far more risk of privacy invasion from google (by their own admission so they know how to spam you) than hotmail
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On 2010-06-11 9:21 AM, Noel Butler wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 09:17 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: They're actually pretty reliable... but for me its more the privacy (or lack thereof) issue that keeps me from using them more... eh? you have far more risk of privacy invasion from google (by their own admission so they know how to spam you) than hotmail When I said 'them', I meant free services in general, but yeah, I was mostly talking about gmail. I only mentioned hotmail specifically because that was the only one I remembered specifically where someone lost *all* of their email. -- Best regards, Charles
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-06-11 9:21 AM, Noel Butler wrote: When I said 'them', I meant free services in general, but yeah, I was mostly talking about gmail. I only mentioned hotmail specifically because that was the only one I remembered specifically where someone lost *all* of their email. Maybe his/her account was disabled due to inactivity.
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On 2010-06-11 10:06 AM, Rodolfo González González wrote: Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-06-11 9:21 AM, Noel Butler wrote: When I said 'them', I meant free services in general, but yeah, I was mostly talking about gmail. I only mentioned hotmail specifically because that was the only one I remembered specifically where someone lost *all* of their email. Maybe his/her account was disabled due to inactivity. No... there was a huge story on the internet about it, she was just dumb enough to run her entire business on hotmail. They (hotmail) had some kind of 'problem' (I don't remember if they ever disclosed any details), and they admitted that they lost a bunch of users emails... -- Best regards, Charles
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 23:06, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Charles Marcus put forth on 6/10/2010 10:19 AM: On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used. So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me? It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB... O-M-G!? We may as well skip the punishment/re-education of these folks and march them straight to the firing squad. ;) You're talking just _Inbox_ of those sizes right? No sub folders? If so, yes, definitely to the firing squad they go. :) How about just autodeleting INBOX after N days? I think I might just go ahead and automate that on the server ... but just move the deleted mail to a real Trash folder (maybe with a different name). Hmmm ... what to pick for N.
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On 2010-06-09 6:40 PM, Noel Butler wrote: I missed your using system accounts so Charles may be on the right track, you need to find the size of your existing mailbox, search for mailbox_size_limit if you have not altered this value in main.cf use postconf -d to see its value, about 50MB I think. postfix uses a rather small value as default size limit, Default is 5120 (or about 50MB), so if this is the problem, it was changed... you may not have 6 MB free in that limit. alter it to 100MB or something like that. You can also set it to 0 to disable the limit. Yeah, but that's never a good idea or necessary in any regard. -- Best regards, Charles
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used. So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me? It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB... ;) -- Best regards, Charles
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
Am 10.06.2010 17:19, schrieb Charles Marcus: On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used. So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me? It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB... Same here, we run a mailbox_size_limit of 700MB and have several users regularly hitting the limit. Can't really slap them as they would reply on google I have 7 GB mail space. JC
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:54, Jakob Curdes j...@info-systems.de wrote: Am 10.06.2010 17:19, schrieb Charles Marcus: On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used. So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me? It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB... Same here, we run a mailbox_size_limit of 700MB and have several users regularly hitting the limit. Can't really slap them as they would reply on google I have 7 GB mail space. JC Create a folder for them called Google and tell them to move mail from their INBOX over to the Google folder because it has lots more space :-)
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
Charles Marcus put forth on 6/10/2010 10:19 AM: On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used. So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me? It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB... O-M-G!? We may as well skip the punishment/re-education of these folks and march them straight to the firing squad. ;) You're talking just _Inbox_ of those sizes right? No sub folders? If so, yes, definitely to the firing squad they go. :) -- Stan
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
Jakob Curdes put forth on 6/10/2010 10:54 AM: Same here, we run a mailbox_size_limit of 700MB and have several users regularly hitting the limit. Can't really slap them as they would reply on google I have 7 GB mail space. I wonder how often Google does full disaster recovery off site backup/mirroring of all those millions of _free_ 7GB mailboxen. AFAIK, Google makes no guarantees WRT mailbox contents. They may have full multi site redundancy, but I've yet to read a whitepaper describing it. -- Stan
[Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
Hello, I am having this error message on some rare emails with more than 6 mb or so. Neither the dovecot server nor the filesystem where the maildir resides have any quota or are full at the time of delivering. The mails goes getmail-postfix-dovecot delivery agent Is the mail written to any other place than the maildir folder? Even though all my temp folders should also be able to hold some megabytes... Thanks for any help, Johannes message: *sieve: info: started log at ... error: msgid=XXX: failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. * dovecot --version 1.2.10 dovecot -n # 1.2.10: /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf # OS: Linux 2.6.26-2-686 i686 Debian 5.0.4 xfs log_timestamp: %Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S protocols: imaps ssl_cert_file: /etc/certificates/XXX ssl_key_file: /etc/certificates/XXX login_dir: /var/run/dovecot/login login_executable: /usr/lib/dovecot/imap-login login_greeting: XXX mail_access_groups: mail mail_location: maildir:/services/mail/%u mbox_write_locks: fcntl dotlock lda: postmaster_address: root mail_plugins: sieve auth default: verbose: yes passdb: driver: pam userdb: driver: passwd plugin: sieve: /var/sieve-scripts/%u/filter.sieve
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On 2010-06-09 3:48 PM, Johannes Dröge wrote: message: *sieve: info: started log at ... error: msgid=XXX: failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. postconf -n output?
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 21:48 +0200, Johannes Dröge wrote: Hello, I am having this error message on some rare emails with more than 6 mb or so. Neither the dovecot server nor the filesystem where the maildir resides have any quota or are full at the time of delivering. The mails goes getmail-postfix-dovecot delivery agent Is the mail written to any other place than the maildir folder? Even though all my temp folders should also be able to hold some megabytes... should be able to ? how much disk space is free? this indicates what it says, there is not enough disk space Thanks for any help, Johannes message: *sieve: info: started log at ... error: msgid=XXX: failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. *
Re: [Dovecot] failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. with large mail
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 08:28 +1000, Noel Butler wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 21:48 +0200, Johannes Dröge wrote: Hello, I am having this error message on some rare emails with more than 6 mb or so. Neither the dovecot server nor the filesystem where the maildir resides have any quota or are full at the time of delivering. The mails goes getmail-postfix-dovecot delivery agent Is the mail written to any other place than the maildir folder? Even though all my temp folders should also be able to hold some megabytes... should be able to ? how much disk space is free? this indicates what it says, there is not enough disk space I shouldn't do lists before I finish my first coffee of teh day :- I missed your using system accounts so Charles may be on the right track, you need to find the size of your existing mailbox, search for mailbox_size_limit if you have not altered this value in main.cf use postconf -d to see its value, about 50MB I think. postfix uses a rather small value as default size limit, you may not have 6 MB free in that limit. alter it to 100MB or something like that. You can also set it to 0 to disable the limit. Cheers
