Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
On 12/06/2011 06:35 AM, Thierry de Montaudry wrote: Hi, I know this might be a bit off topic, but having just fixed the problem on my machine, I though I might share it: on Mac OS Lion, with Apple Mail, you can change the system folders by editing the file ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Accounts.plist (path might differ with older version of Mac OS). For each accounts it has 3 entries (DraftMailboxName, JunkMailboxName and SentMessagesMailboxName) that can be changed to any value you want. Quite useful when you are IMAPing your account from different systems. Just don't forget to close Mail while editing this file, and don't do it if you don't have a proper plist editor. This can also be done via the GUI in Apple Mail. - Click on the mailbox you want. - Mailbox > Use this mailbox for > (whatever)
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
Hi, I know this might be a bit off topic, but having just fixed the problem on my machine, I though I might share it: on Mac OS Lion, with Apple Mail, you can change the system folders by editing the file ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Accounts.plist (path might differ with older version of Mac OS). For each accounts it has 3 entries (DraftMailboxName, JunkMailboxName and SentMessagesMailboxName) that can be changed to any value you want. Quite useful when you are IMAPing your account from different systems. Just don't forget to close Mail while editing this file, and don't do it if you don't have a proper plist editor. This can be done as well in iOS, from the Mail settings, in the account advanced settings. But folders (Trash, Spam...) have to be created before. Regards, Thierry On 29 Nov 2011, at 22:42, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, > Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". > > Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. > > map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" > map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" > and so on? > > -- > Ralf Hildebrandt > Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk > Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin > Campus Benjamin Franklin > Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin > Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 > ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de >
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:42:56 +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". open source standards :-) Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" would be nice yes, it was talked about a way to solve it via a plugin and so on? none mua have it hardcoded folder names, just diff defaults :(
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
Am 30.11.2011 09:56, schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter: > * Robert Schetterer : >> Am 30.11.2011 09:21, schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter: >>> * Robert Schetterer : Am 29.11.2011 23:17, schrieb Michael M Slusarz: > Quoting Patrick Ben Koetter : >> >> There's an RFC, but it hasn't been adopted yet. Neither by IMAP >> servers nor by IMAP clients. ;) > > Not true. We've (IMP) had special-use (RFC 6154) support since August > 2010. > > Offhand, I know that serverwise Cyrus 2.5 supports RFC 6154. > > michael > what helps this, tb, outlook, apple mail, winmail and some mobile clients must follow , this is what people use, and it will take years after some of them might upgrade >>> >>> What helps this == Was hilft es? >>> >>> TB has it on the CR list. >>> Apple has their own X-LIST feature together with google. >> >> cool, *g left another hundred clients >> >> however having this widly solved would be a dream >> why i did take so long for it.., its a Problem since years > > Yes, it is a problem, but having a standard doesn't solve it and open source > software is not a guarant to have it implemented either, unless you contribute > the code yourself or get to sponsor someone to do it. > > BTW: We'd contribute € 500 if Timo implemented RFC 6154 in Dovecot 2.1. very cool , as an add on idea, if it would be possible to identificate unfixed clients on the fly and doing some action on it, it might be a solution to allow imap at fixed clients only , others have to use pop3 then, not a solution everywhere but it could be implemented in some places ( i.e mine *g ) > > p@rick > -- Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer Germany/Munich/Bavaria
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
* Robert Schetterer : > Am 30.11.2011 09:21, schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter: > > * Robert Schetterer : > >> Am 29.11.2011 23:17, schrieb Michael M Slusarz: > >>> Quoting Patrick Ben Koetter : > > There's an RFC, but it hasn't been adopted yet. Neither by IMAP > servers nor by IMAP clients. ;) > >>> > >>> Not true. We've (IMP) had special-use (RFC 6154) support since August > >>> 2010. > >>> > >>> Offhand, I know that serverwise Cyrus 2.5 supports RFC 6154. > >>> > >>> michael > >>> > >> > >> what helps this, tb, outlook, apple mail, winmail and some mobile > >> clients must follow , this is what people use, and it will take years > >> after some of them might upgrade > > > > What helps this == Was hilft es? > > > > TB has it on the CR list. > > Apple has their own X-LIST feature together with google. > > cool, *g left another hundred clients > > however having this widly solved would be a dream > why i did take so long for it.., its a Problem since years Yes, it is a problem, but having a standard doesn't solve it and open source software is not a guarant to have it implemented either, unless you contribute the code yourself or get to sponsor someone to do it. BTW: We'd contribute € 500 if Timo implemented RFC 6154 in Dovecot 2.1. p@rick -- state of mind () Digitale Kommunikation http://www.state-of-mind.de Franziskanerstraße 15 Telefon +49 89 3090 4664 81669 München Telefax +49 89 3090 4666 Amtsgericht MünchenPartnerschaftsregister PR 563
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
Am 30.11.2011 09:25, schrieb Robert Schetterer: > Am 30.11.2011 09:21, schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter: >> * Robert Schetterer : >>> Am 29.11.2011 23:17, schrieb Michael M Slusarz: Quoting Patrick Ben Koetter : > * Ralf Hildebrandt : >> While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, >> Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". >> >> Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. >> >> map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" >> map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" >> and so on? > > There's an RFC, but it hasn't been adopted yet. Neither by IMAP > servers nor by > IMAP clients. ;) Not true. We've (IMP) had special-use (RFC 6154) support since August 2010. Offhand, I know that serverwise Cyrus 2.5 supports RFC 6154. michael >>> >>> what helps this, tb, outlook, apple mail, winmail and some mobile >>> clients must follow , this is what people use, and it will take years >>> after some of them might upgrade >> >> What helps this == Was hilft es? >> >> TB has it on the CR list. >> Apple has their own X-LIST feature together with google. > > cool, *g left another hundred clients > > however having this widly solved would be a dream > why i did take so long for it.., its a Problem since years hoping big spreaded clients will solve it soon perhaps a chance to block non fixed clients would be nice any chance ?, i see clients anounce their name and versions in debug log > >> >> p@rick >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> Best Regards >>> >>> MfG Robert Schetterer >>> >>> Germany/Munich/Bavaria >> > > -- Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer Germany/Munich/Bavaria
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
Am 30.11.2011 09:21, schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter: > * Robert Schetterer : >> Am 29.11.2011 23:17, schrieb Michael M Slusarz: >>> Quoting Patrick Ben Koetter : >>> * Ralf Hildebrandt : > While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, > Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". > > Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. > > map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" > map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" > and so on? There's an RFC, but it hasn't been adopted yet. Neither by IMAP servers nor by IMAP clients. ;) >>> >>> Not true. We've (IMP) had special-use (RFC 6154) support since August >>> 2010. >>> >>> Offhand, I know that serverwise Cyrus 2.5 supports RFC 6154. >>> >>> michael >>> >> >> what helps this, tb, outlook, apple mail, winmail and some mobile >> clients must follow , this is what people use, and it will take years >> after some of them might upgrade > > What helps this == Was hilft es? > > TB has it on the CR list. > Apple has their own X-LIST feature together with google. cool, *g left another hundred clients however having this widly solved would be a dream why i did take so long for it.., its a Problem since years > > p@rick > > > > > >> >> -- >> Best Regards >> >> MfG Robert Schetterer >> >> Germany/Munich/Bavaria > -- Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer Germany/Munich/Bavaria
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
* Robert Schetterer : > Am 29.11.2011 23:17, schrieb Michael M Slusarz: > > Quoting Patrick Ben Koetter : > > > >> * Ralf Hildebrandt : > >>> While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, > >>> Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". > >>> > >>> Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. > >>> > >>> map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" > >>> map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" > >>> and so on? > >> > >> There's an RFC, but it hasn't been adopted yet. Neither by IMAP > >> servers nor by > >> IMAP clients. ;) > > > > Not true. We've (IMP) had special-use (RFC 6154) support since August > > 2010. > > > > Offhand, I know that serverwise Cyrus 2.5 supports RFC 6154. > > > > michael > > > > what helps this, tb, outlook, apple mail, winmail and some mobile > clients must follow , this is what people use, and it will take years > after some of them might upgrade What helps this == Was hilft es? TB has it on the CR list. Apple has their own X-LIST feature together with google. p@rick > > -- > Best Regards > > MfG Robert Schetterer > > Germany/Munich/Bavaria -- state of mind () Digitale Kommunikation http://www.state-of-mind.de Franziskanerstraße 15 Telefon +49 89 3090 4664 81669 München Telefax +49 89 3090 4666 Amtsgericht MünchenPartnerschaftsregister PR 563
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
Am 29.11.2011 23:17, schrieb Michael M Slusarz: > Quoting Patrick Ben Koetter : > >> * Ralf Hildebrandt : >>> While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, >>> Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". >>> >>> Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. >>> >>> map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" >>> map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" >>> and so on? >> >> There's an RFC, but it hasn't been adopted yet. Neither by IMAP >> servers nor by >> IMAP clients. ;) > > Not true. We've (IMP) had special-use (RFC 6154) support since August > 2010. > > Offhand, I know that serverwise Cyrus 2.5 supports RFC 6154. > > michael > what helps this, tb, outlook, apple mail, winmail and some mobile clients must follow , this is what people use, and it will take years after some of them might upgrade -- Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer Germany/Munich/Bavaria
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
Am 29.11.2011 23:17, schrieb Timo Sirainen: > On 29.11.2011, at 23.42, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > >> While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, >> Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". >> >> Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. >> >> map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" >> map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" >> and so on? > > With v2.1 it would be somewhat easy to create a plugin that supports aliases, > but each client would still see each others' Sent boxes and possibly > synchronize everything twice.. that would be no good solutionin...my eyes > -- Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer Germany/Munich/Bavaria
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
Am 29.11.2011 22:42, schrieb Ralf Hildebrandt: > While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, > Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". > > Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. > > map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" > map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" > and so on? > wish i would know a solution i know newest outlook can configured equal to tb folders default schema , except spam folder -- Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer Germany/Munich/Bavaria
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
* Michael M Slusarz : > Quoting Patrick Ben Koetter : > > >* Ralf Hildebrandt : > >>While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, > >>Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". > >> > >>Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. > >> > >>map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" > >>map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" > >>and so on? > > > >There's an RFC, but it hasn't been adopted yet. Neither by IMAP > >servers nor by > >IMAP clients. ;) > > Not true. We've (IMP) had special-use (RFC 6154) support since August 2010. > > Offhand, I know that serverwise Cyrus 2.5 supports RFC 6154. Very nice. Thanks for the update. p@rick -- state of mind () http://www.state-of-mind.de Franziskanerstraße 15 Telefon +49 89 3090 4664 81669 München Telefax +49 89 3090 4666 Amtsgericht MünchenPartnerschaftsregister PR 563
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
Quoting Patrick Ben Koetter : * Ralf Hildebrandt : While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" and so on? There's an RFC, but it hasn't been adopted yet. Neither by IMAP servers nor by IMAP clients. ;) Not true. We've (IMP) had special-use (RFC 6154) support since August 2010. Offhand, I know that serverwise Cyrus 2.5 supports RFC 6154. michael
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
On 29.11.2011, at 23.42, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, > Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". > > Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. > > map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" > map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" > and so on? With v2.1 it would be somewhat easy to create a plugin that supports aliases, but each client would still see each others' Sent boxes and possibly synchronize everything twice..
Re: [Dovecot] MUAs creating different "Sent" folders
* Ralf Hildebrandt : > While our webmail installation creates "Sent" as a Sent-Items Folder, > Apple Mail creates "Sent Messages". > > Is there a way of "mapping" foldernames e.g. > > map "Sent Messages" to "Sent" > map "Deletes Messages" to "Trash" > and so on? There's an RFC, but it hasn't been adopted yet. Neither by IMAP servers nor by IMAP clients. ;) p@rick -- state of mind () http://www.state-of-mind.de Franziskanerstraße 15 Telefon +49 89 3090 4664 81669 München Telefax +49 89 3090 4666 Amtsgericht MünchenPartnerschaftsregister PR 563
