Re: [Dovecot] v2.0 IMAP Capabilities announcement

2010-02-23 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:23:21 +0100
reg9009 reg9...@yahoo.de articulated:

 this was me, and dovecot 2.0 was still in alpha status... :)
 
 Anyway, I tested Outlook only, not Outlook Express. There always were 
 some differences between those, so maybe they behave different with 
 login capabilities, too.

Outlook Express is depreciated. There is no reason to actively program
for.

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Re: [Dovecot] v2.0 IMAP Capabilities announcement

2010-02-23 Thread Ed W

On 23/02/2010 10:35, Jerry wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:23:21 +0100
reg9009reg9...@yahoo.de  articulated:

   

this was me, and dovecot 2.0 was still in alpha status... :)

Anyway, I tested Outlook only, not Outlook Express. There always were
some differences between those, so maybe they behave different with
login capabilities, too.
 

Outlook Express is depreciated. There is no reason to actively program
for.
   


It still exists as Windows Mail and personally I find it one of the best 
windows IMAP clients... It has fewer problems than =Outlook 2003 in my 
experience...


Anyway, we have about 90% of our users using OE/WM

Ed W


Re: [Dovecot] v2.0 IMAP Capabilities announcement

2010-02-23 Thread Steffen Kaiser

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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Jerry wrote:


Outlook Express is depreciated. There is no reason to actively program
for.


That's what you get on each Windows NT, well? Which home user cares about 
deprecated, if it is there, ready and pre-configured to use.


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Re: [Dovecot] v2.0 IMAP Capabilities announcement

2010-02-22 Thread Ed W

On 21/02/2010 19:33, Timo Sirainen wrote:

On 21.2.2010, at 21.16, Thomas Leuxner wrote:

   

I have an Android Mail App which worked fine with IDLE pushes before (K-9 Mail) 
under 1.2.10. With 2.0 beta 3 it seems to be looking for an IDLE prompt from 
the server, otherwise it will disable connection idling (whether this is valid 
or not).

Setting 'imap_capability = IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID IDLE 
ENABLE' does the trick, but is it possible to add additional values to the 
default reply like this?
 

Hmm. That's too bad. I was hoping to avoid sending any unnecessary capabilities 
before login. Perhaps IDLE could be added there as an exception.

Although .. Looks like that's an open source client. Perhaps you could report 
this as a bug and get them to fix it? Dovecot pushes the updated capabilities 
after login, the client should pick them up.

   


From memory Outlook Express/Windows Mail requests capabilities before 
login (and never after login)?


Ed W


Re: [Dovecot] v2.0 IMAP Capabilities announcement

2010-02-22 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 11:59 +, Ed W wrote:
  Hmm. That's too bad. I was hoping to avoid sending any unnecessary 
  capabilities before login. Perhaps IDLE could be added there as an 
  exception.
 
  From memory Outlook Express/Windows Mail requests capabilities before 
 login (and never after login)?

I don't know about them, but I remember someone told me Outlook was
fine. The point anyway is that clients don't have to request anything,
the capability is pushed to them. There are two ways:

a) Clients that understand capability in resp-text-code:

* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE
STARTTLS AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=DIGEST-MD5] hello localhost
1 login user pass
1 OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE
SORT SORT=DISPLAY THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=REFS MULTIAPPEND UNSELECT
IDLE CHILDREN NAMESPACE UIDPLUS LIST-EXTENDED I18NLEVEL=1 CONDSTORE
QRESYNC ESEARCH ESORT SEARCHRES WITHIN CONTEXT=SEARCH LIST-STATUS QUOTA]
Logged in

b) Clients that don't understand them and issue CAPABILITY anyway (note
how the updated CAPABILITY is now sent in untagged CAPABILITY):

* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE
STARTTLS AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=DIGEST-MD5] hello localhost
1 capability
* CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE
STARTTLS AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=DIGEST-MD5
1 OK Capability completed.
2 login user pass
* CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE SORT
SORT=DISPLAY THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=REFS MULTIAPPEND UNSELECT IDLE
CHILDREN NAMESPACE UIDPLUS LIST-EXTENDED I18NLEVEL=1 CONDSTORE QRESYNC
ESEARCH ESORT SEARCHRES WITHIN CONTEXT=SEARCH LIST-STATUS QUOTA
2 OK Logged in



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Re: [Dovecot] v2.0 IMAP Capabilities announcement

2010-02-22 Thread reg9009



   From memory Outlook Express/Windows Mail requests capabilities before
login (and never after login)?
 

I don't know about them, but I remember someone told me Outlook was
fine. The point anyway is that clients don't have to request anything,
the capability is pushed to them. There are two ways:
   

this was me, and dovecot 2.0 was still in alpha status... :)

Anyway, I tested Outlook only, not Outlook Express. There always were 
some differences between those, so maybe they behave different with 
login capabilities, too.


Regards,
Sebastian


Re: [Dovecot] v2.0 IMAP Capabilities announcement

2010-02-21 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 21.2.2010, at 21.16, Thomas Leuxner wrote:

 I have an Android Mail App which worked fine with IDLE pushes before (K-9 
 Mail) under 1.2.10. With 2.0 beta 3 it seems to be looking for an IDLE prompt 
 from the server, otherwise it will disable connection idling (whether this is 
 valid or not).
 
 Setting 'imap_capability = IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID IDLE 
 ENABLE' does the trick, but is it possible to add additional values to the 
 default reply like this?

Hmm. That's too bad. I was hoping to avoid sending any unnecessary capabilities 
before login. Perhaps IDLE could be added there as an exception.

Although .. Looks like that's an open source client. Perhaps you could report 
this as a bug and get them to fix it? Dovecot pushes the updated capabilities 
after login, the client should pick them up.



Re: [Dovecot] v2.0 IMAP Capabilities announcement

2010-02-21 Thread Patrick Nagel
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Hi,

On 2010-02-22 03:33, Timo Sirainen wrote:
 On 21.2.2010, at 21.16, Thomas Leuxner wrote:
 
 I have an Android Mail App which worked fine with IDLE pushes
 before (K-9 Mail) under 1.2.10. With 2.0 beta 3 it seems to be
 looking for an IDLE prompt from the server, otherwise it will
 disable connection idling (whether this is valid or not).
 
 Setting 'imap_capability = IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR
 LOGIN-REFERRALS ID IDLE ENABLE' does the trick, but is it possible
 to add additional values to the default reply like this?
 
 Hmm. That's too bad. I was hoping to avoid sending any unnecessary
 capabilities before login. Perhaps IDLE could be added there as an
 exception.
 
 Although .. Looks like that's an open source client. Perhaps you
 could report this as a bug and get them to fix it? Dovecot pushes the
 updated capabilities after login, the client should pick them up.

I just wanted to create a bug report about this, and found it had been
taken care of already - posting the link here for reference:

http://code.google.com/p/k9mail/issues/detail?id=1252

Patrick.

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