Re: noob maildir question
Hi John I've been using courier-imap for several years in a relatively small reality with about twenty users, in view of a migration from real box to a virtual server I'm exploring dovecot as a possible alternative. I am used to stopping the service at night simply to make backups and archiving with a consistent situation in the filesystem, not the best solution but my skills are not so strong :) ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ Il lunedì 24 gennaio 2022 2:42 PM, John Stoffel ha scritto: > mikfum> thanks John for the reply > > No problem! I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I've been using > > dovecot for years and doing It for way too many years... LOL! > > mikfum> what I would like to do is implement an autoarchive function > > mikfum> at server level that, in the night while dovecot is down, > > mikfum> moves messages older than n days from the user inbox to a > > mikfum> subfolder of the same user (cur to cur) > > Why do you bring dovecot down? What maintenance are you running them? > > I'm curious because I never reboot my dovecot instance unless there's > > a problem. And these days, if you are running a business providing > > email service, it seems better to run a cluster of dovecot servers > > behind dovecot director to load balance things. > > I also feel that using the doveadm commands to do this work is the > > better way, since it will properly handle locking and consistency of > > the folder(s). > > Why do you think that doing this with dovecot is down is the best way > > to do this? > > John
Re: noob maildir question
mikfum> thanks John for the reply No problem! I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I've been using dovecot for years and doing It for way too many years... LOL! mikfum> what I would like to do is implement an autoarchive function mikfum> at server level that, in the night while dovecot is down, mikfum> moves messages older than n days from the user inbox to a mikfum> subfolder of the same user (cur to cur) Why do you bring dovecot down? What maintenance are you running them? I'm curious because I never reboot my dovecot instance unless there's a problem. And these days, if you are running a business providing email service, it seems better to run a cluster of dovecot servers behind dovecot director to load balance things. I also feel that using the doveadm commands to do this work is the better way, since it will properly handle locking and consistency of the folder(s). Why do you think that doing this with dovecot is down is the best way to do this? John
Re: noob maildir question
very nice!, you also made me find the wiki to look for answers to any other trivial questions without boring you... tx again ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ Il lunedì 24 gennaio 2022 12:15 PM, Felix Zielcke ha scritto: > Am Montag, dem 24.01.2022 um 10:18 + schrieb mikfum: > > > thanks John for the reply > > > > what I would like to do is implement an autoarchive function at > > > > server level that, in the night while dovecot is down, moves > > > > messages older than n days from the user inbox to a subfolder of the > > > > same user (cur to cur) > > > > tx > > > > mik > > Use something like this in cron or similar: > > doveadm move -A Archive BEFORE 90d > > You must make sure though that the Archive mailbox exists before. > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > Il lunedì 24 gennaio 2022 2:43 AM, John Stoffel j...@stoffel.org ha > > > > scritto: > > > > > "mikfum" == mikfum mik...@protonmail.com writes: > > > > mikfum> I would like to ask if it is an acceptable practice to manage > > > > mikfum> messages in the maildir as a file (move them from one folder > > > > mikfum> to another) while dovecot is in stop state thinking that it > > > > mikfum> will be rebuild to the next imap user login > > > > No, it's not a good idea, bad things might happen. > > > > what are you trying to accomplish? Maybe we can give a suggestion if > > > > we know what you are trying to accomplish. Don't assume that a > > > > certain method is the only way, just talk about the problem and what > > > > you wnat to achieve, not HOW you want to achieve it. > > > > Cheers, > > > > John
Re: noob maildir question
Am Montag, dem 24.01.2022 um 10:18 + schrieb mikfum: > thanks John for the reply > what I would like to do is implement an autoarchive function at > server level that, in the night while dovecot is down, moves > messages older than n days from the user inbox to a subfolder of the > same user (cur to cur) > > tx > mik > Use something like this in cron or similar: doveadm move -A Archive BEFORE 90d You must make sure though that the Archive mailbox exists before. > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > Il lunedì 24 gennaio 2022 2:43 AM, John Stoffel ha > scritto: > > > "mikfum" == mikfum mik...@protonmail.com writes: > > mikfum> I would like to ask if it is an acceptable practice to manage > > mikfum> messages in the maildir as a file (move them from one folder > > mikfum> to another) while dovecot is in stop state thinking that it > > mikfum> will be rebuild to the next imap user login > > No, it's not a good idea, bad things might happen. > > what are you trying to accomplish? Maybe we can give a suggestion if > > we know what you are trying to accomplish. Don't assume that a > > certain method is the only way, just talk about the problem and what > > you wnat to achieve, not HOW you want to achieve it. > > Cheers, > > John
Re: noob maildir question
ok, not a 'mass action' but I search about imap tools, thanks! ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ Il lunedì 24 gennaio 2022 10:15 AM, Steven Varco ha scritto: > Hi Mik > > > I would like to ask if it is an acceptable practice to manage messages in > > the maildir as a file (move them from one folder to another) while dovecot > > is in stop state thinking that it will be rebuild to the next imap user > > login > > Maildir is actually designed to do so, as the storage can also lie on NFS and > external programms bring mail in. > > Speak, you can move and edit files just like normal on the filesystem (even > when doevecot is running) and dovecot will rebuild it’s index accordingly. > > However for "mass actions", like moving a lot of mail files, specific IMAP > tools (dovecot provides a bunch of them) might be the better choise. > > Steven > > --- > > https://www.tech-island.com/
Re: noob maildir question
thanks ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ Il lunedì 24 gennaio 2022 5:15 AM, Ted Hatfield ha scritto: > I do this all the time on my server. From one user mailbox to another or > > from one maildir folder to another. On my platform I need to make certain > > owner/group of the moved messages is correct for the user I've moved them > > to. Other than that dovecot appears to re-index on the fly. > > Be aware that this is observed information. Others more knowledgeable may > > have concerns that I'm not aware of or just can't see on my system. > > Ted > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, mikfum wrote: > > > I would like to ask if it is an acceptable practice to manage messages in > > the maildir as a file (move them from > > > > one folder to another) while dovecot is in stop state thinking that it will > > be rebuild to the next imap user login > > > > thanks for your patience:) > > > > mik
Re: noob maildir question
ok thanks ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ Il lunedì 24 gennaio 2022 3:56 AM, ha scritto: > I would like to ask if it is an acceptable practice to manage messages in the > maildir as a file (move them from one folder to another) while dovecot is in > stop state thinking that it will be rebuild to the next imap user login Acceptable? That is subjective. It is your system. Big difference in what you can get away with on a small personal server vs being gmail. Only you know what is acceptable or not on your server. Mechanically possible, i believe so. Dovecot documentation in multiple places mentions how indexes are always rebuilt as needed. You can even have a setup where your MTA places new messages in folders without going through dovecot. When dovecot "finds" the file it just indexes it. So sure, i dont see why not, just keep in mind the overhead (if any) added by re-indexing.
Re: noob maildir question
thanks John for the reply what I would like to do is implement an autoarchive function at server level that, in the night while dovecot is down, moves messages older than n days from the user inbox to a subfolder of the same user (cur to cur) tx mik ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ Il lunedì 24 gennaio 2022 2:43 AM, John Stoffel ha scritto: > "mikfum" == mikfum mik...@protonmail.com writes: mikfum> I would like to ask if it is an acceptable practice to manage mikfum> messages in the maildir as a file (move them from one folder mikfum> to another) while dovecot is in stop state thinking that it mikfum> will be rebuild to the next imap user login No, it's not a good idea, bad things might happen. what are you trying to accomplish? Maybe we can give a suggestion if we know what you are trying to accomplish. Don't assume that a certain method is the only way, just talk about the problem and what you wnat to achieve, not HOW you want to achieve it. Cheers, John
Re: noob maildir question
Hi Mik > I would like to ask if it is an acceptable practice to manage messages in the > maildir as a file (move them from one folder to another) while dovecot is in > stop state thinking that it will be rebuild to the next imap user login Maildir is actually designed to do so, as the storage can also lie on NFS and external programms bring mail in. Speak, you can move and edit files just like normal on the filesystem (even when doevecot is running) and dovecot will rebuild it’s index accordingly. However for "mass actions", like moving a lot of mail files, specific IMAP tools (dovecot provides a bunch of them) might be the better choise. Steven -- https://www.tech-island.com/
Re: noob maildir question
> I would like to ask if it is an acceptable practice to manage messages in the > maildir as a file (move them from one folder to another) while dovecot is in > stop state thinking that it will be rebuild to the next imap user login Acceptable? That is subjective. It is your system. Big difference in what you can get away with on a small personal server vs being gmail. Only you know what is acceptable or not on your server. Mechanically possible, i believe so. Dovecot documentation in multiple places mentions how indexes are always rebuilt as needed. You can even have a setup where your MTA places new messages in folders without going through dovecot. When dovecot "finds" the file it just indexes it. So sure, i dont see why not, just keep in mind the overhead (if any) added by re-indexing.
Re: noob maildir question
> "mikfum" == mikfum writes: mikfum> I would like to ask if it is an acceptable practice to manage mikfum> messages in the maildir as a file (move them from one folder mikfum> to another) while dovecot is in stop state thinking that it mikfum> will be rebuild to the next imap user login No, it's not a good idea, bad things might happen. what are you trying to accomplish? Maybe we can give a suggestion if we know what you are trying to accomplish. Don't assume that a certain method is the only way, just talk about the problem and what you wnat to achieve, not HOW you want to achieve it. Cheers, John
noob maildir question
I would like to ask if it is an acceptable practice to manage messages in the maildir as a file (move them from one folder to another) while dovecot is in stop state thinking that it will be rebuild to the next imap user login thanks for your patience:) mik
