RE: [drakelist] T-4XC permanent current problem

2005-09-07 Thread Ron Wagner


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Glad to know I am not the only one who thinks those stupid meter studs are 
a huge design error.  The engineer on that one should be flogged.  Of 
course it is likely the savings of 1 or 2 cents per unit that caused the 
original design to be redesigned by the finance engineer.




A short inside the meter. I never did like the way those meter studs were
not fixed like others. Obviously in dismantling everything and re-assembling


73,
Ron
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[drakelist] C-Line speaker

2005-09-07 Thread Joe Roth


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I need to replace the speaker inside my MS-4 after years of dryness.
Can anyone recommend a (near) direct replacement for this?
Joe


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Re: [drakelist] C-Line speaker

2005-09-07 Thread K9SQG

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Surplus Sales of Nebraska has speakers that will work.
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RE: [drakelist] T-4XC current problem and others

2005-09-07 Thread Martin Sole



Well gang the T4XC is starting to sing nicely. A few 
little things still to sort out but good for 100+ watts on all bands except 20. 
Looks like somebody replaced the meter shunt resistor R59. The value fitted is 
3.9 but the schematic I have looks like 3.3 but not clear, can anyone 
confirm?

The 20m crystal really does seem to be dead. I have 
tried it in two R4C's and a simple transistor oscillator breadboard circuit but 
nothing seems to work. It doesn't rattle but just does not want to 
oscillate.

I have three other questions at the 
moment.

On power up the T/R relay seems to pull in within a few 
seconds. This causes idle current to flow. After about a minute the relay drops 
out and normal service is resumed, a soft tube?

Maybe related to this. After keying, PTT, Tune, or 
spot, when returning to receive position the relay seems to takea good 
half second or more to drop out. VOX is off. Is this connected with the question 
above or something else?

As an example on 15m with the Tx in Tune, gain at 50% 
gives 110 watts out, about the maximum. Switching to CW with no key inserted the 
power drops to almost zero at the same setting of the gain control but can be 
increased to about 125 watts at 75%V setting of the gain control. Is this 
normal?

73 es thanks for all 
the help so far.
Martin 
HS0ZED

p.s. Eric, I can come to NC pretty much anytime. Just 
send me the tickets, return from Bangkok for me and the xyl, hi 
hi.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric 
WebnerSent: 07 September 2005 08:44To: Martin 
SoleCc: DrakelistSubject: RE: [drakelist] T-4XC permanent 
current problem

Hi Martin,

Glad you are making progress. When you are done, please come to North 
Carolina and finish my C-line for me HI.

I learned a while ago that you may be able to get the crystal oscillator 
going again by simply replacing the oscillator transistor. This is certainly a 
lot less expensive than replacing the crystals. 

Give it a try, and let us know how it works.

73,

Eric KA8FAN
Martin Sole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Martin 
  Sole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>made an utterance to the drakelist 
  gang--Found 
  it.A short inside the meter. I never did like the way those meter 
  studs werenot fixed like others. Obviously in dismantling everything and 
  re-assemblingthe lug on the inside got rotated and was touching the inside 
  of the metercase.Note to self: Don't unscrew the meter nuts to 
  remove next time, unsolder thewires.All is good now but looks like 
  the 20m and maybe the 80m crystals are dead.They will not oscillate in the 
  transmitter nor in the receiver. Any crystalsfrom a dead radio out 
  there?73Martin HS0ZED-Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Garey BarrellSent: 07 September 2005 04:13To: Martin 
  SoleCc: 'drakelist'Subject: Re: [drakelist] T-4XC permanent current 
  problemGarey Barrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>made an utterance to 
  the drakelist 
  gang--Martin 
  -Something is shorting the final cathodes to ground, "South" of the 
  metershunt, R59.There are a limited number of paths that can get 
  the cathodes to ground,especially when that path has to handle the idle 
  current you are seeing inthe "key-up" condition.Heater-cathode 
  short in V7, (6AU6 AM Mod tube). ?I've never measured the key-up Final 
  cathode voltage, but I think it couldrise as high as the screen voltage if 
  the cathodes are "open" to ground?73, Garey - 
  K4OAHAtlantaDrake C-Line Service ManualMartin Sole wrote:"Martin Sole" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>made an u! tterance to the drakelist 
  gang--I 
  checked the bias voltage at the tube bases. The AC4 pot varies it 
  between about -44 volts and -85 volts. If I key the radio in SSB (No 
  Mic gain) and advance the bias pot until the meter shows 0.1A, bias 
  voltage measures about-55 volts,then release the PTT the 
  current increases to approximately0.12A.Same problem with 
  different PA tubes that were known good last time they were tried in 
  another radio.Looking at the cathode line it seems this is 
  taken to ground by a contact onK1 but when unkeyed should rise 
  up to cut off the tubes. How many volts should be on the cathode line 
  in the unkeyed state? On this radio the point at L5 sits around 0.38 
  volts in the unkeyed state and drops to 0.34 volts in the keyed state. 
  Voltages are the same with K1 removed.Ideas 
  appreciated.73Martin 
  HS0ZED-Original Message-From: Gary 
  Poland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 06 September 2005 
  10:22To: Martin SoleSubject: Re: [drakelist] T-4XC permanent 
  current problemMartin, Sounds like you have lost a 
  capacitor in the AC-4 bias supply. The voltage is too positive causing 
  constant plate current.73,