Re: [Drakelist] Proper Use of DeOxit
I agree with Don. I have a the spray, but seldom use it except to wet card stock for relays. I typically use the needle dropper bottle of the D100L-25C which can be seen: store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.188/.f As far a using it on anything other than a metal conductor, don't. That is not it's design. It is designed to improve conductivity. There is Cailube, now know as Faderlube which is great for pots. As for the PTO on Drakes, don't lube anything plastic. Bad things happen. Read WB4HFN's web page about the PTO and repairs needed if someone has lubed the PTO. I think the link is called smooth as silk. 73, Ron WD8SBB --- On Sat, 10/16/10, Don Cunningham wb5...@martineer.net wrote: From: Don Cunningham wb5...@martineer.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Proper Use of DeOxit To: Walker g...@att.net, drakelist@zerobeat.net Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 7:25 PM Well, Walker, since I don't see anyone jumping in here to answer you, let me take a stab at it. First, DeOxit should be used sparingly, like a drop at a time, and NEVER sprayed on a bandswitch, or like switch with phenolic wafers. I use a toothpick (or insulin syringe if I can find them) to put a drop right where I want it on the contact, then work the switch several times to work it in. I put a drop in each hole of a tube socket and work the tube gently to get it distributed. I would advise being careful of using it around front panels, plastic pieces etc without testing a small area. I don't think it is caustic or harmful, but these cosmetic parts are not easily found if damaged. I don't see too much lubricant, if any, in DeOxit, so don't think it is good long term for use in potentiometers. Caig has other products for that (like Faderlube or something like that). Maybe that will give you a start, then others can chime in with better details, hi. 73, Don, WB5HAK ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] Drake Twins
Hi Guys, I've been on 160- and 40-meters here with the Drake Twins, passing the time in casual QSOs, pending the termination of the annual ...grass harvest(!) here that will allow me to unroll my ground radials atop the lawn for use in my topband array... The Drakes make for a very sweet set-up on CW---I've been receiving nothing but compliments from the Hams I've been working as to the quality of the signal. I've even been contemplating setting the Twins up in transceive mode in CW---never did that before in that mode. I wonder how that'll work out...? ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Drake Twins
Eddy, You will love the Drake line for CW. Just make sure that the Tx and Rx are tracking. There is an alignment procedure in the manual (C-56?). 73 Gene K1NR On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:12:56 -0400 Edward Swynar gswy...@durham.net wrote: Hi Guys, I've been on 160- and 40-meters here with the Drake Twins, passing the time in casual QSOs, pending the termination of the annual ...grass harvest(!) here that will allow me to unroll my ground radials atop the lawn for use in my topband array... The Drakes make for a very sweet set-up on CW---I've been receiving nothing but compliments from the Hams I've been working as to the quality of the signal. I've even been contemplating setting the Twins up in transceive mode in CW---never did that before in that mode. I wonder how that'll work out...? ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ - Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Drake Twins
Hi Gene, I understand from what Garey said sometime earlier that the CW offset frequency between the receiver transmuitter on CW is equal to (roughly) the frequency of the sidetone generated by the T-4X---i.e. 800- 900-Hz. That being the case, do you listen for callers on LSB, or USB with the receiver in transceive mode...? And has anyone ever come up with an add-on RIT circuit for the R-4 to compensate for any all potential frequency chasing whilst in transceive...? ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ** - Original Message - From: Eugene Balinski euge...@nni.com To: Edward Swynar gswy...@durham.net; drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Drake Twins Eddy, You will love the Drake line for CW. Just make sure that the Tx and Rx are tracking. There is an alignment procedure in the manual (C-56?). 73 Gene K1NR On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:12:56 -0400 Edward Swynar gswy...@durham.net wrote: Hi Guys, I've been on 160- and 40-meters here with the Drake Twins, passing the time in casual QSOs, pending the termination of the annual ...grass harvest(!) here that will allow me to unroll my ground radials atop the lawn for use in my topband array... The Drakes make for a very sweet set-up on CW---I've been receiving nothing but compliments from the Hams I've been working as to the quality of the signal. I've even been contemplating setting the Twins up in transceive mode in CW---never did that before in that mode. I wonder how that'll work out...? ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ - Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] Xmtr gain setting
Per the manual my Xmtr gain setting is at about 8-8:30. But I have no meter movement when I transmit SSB. If I increase the setting to 12:00 I get deflection while transmitting. So How should I set my Xmtr gain control? Thanks, KB8NXO Toledo,Ohio ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Drake Twins
Hi Eddy They really are a nice set up, and the B's have some of the best recovered audio. I've got A and C lines also, but enjoy the B the best John K5MO At 08:12 AM 10/17/2010, Edward Swynar wrote: Hi Guys, I've been on 160- and 40-meters here with the Drake Twins, passing the time in casual QSOs, pending the termination of the annual ...grass harvest(!) here that will allow me to unroll my ground radials atop the lawn for use in my topband array... The Drakes make for a very sweet set-up on CW---I've been receiving nothing but compliments from the Hams I've been working as to the quality of the signal. I've even been contemplating setting the Twins up in transceive mode in CW---never did that before in that mode. I wonder how that'll work out...? ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] FS B line with AC4 and Speaker
I have the B line I will be selling at the Hawkins Tx hamfest on OCT 23 Saturday. Asking $425.00 for the B line plus the AC 4 and speaker. Everything works and I have the manuals. Hawkins is in East Tx near Tyler.Dennis ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Drake Twins
Hi Eddy: You will notice that all of the end points of the passbands line up on LSB so that is the setting for CW. That way, you never have to adjust the passband variable when changing from wide to narrow. I use the 2.4K setting for scanning then reduce to 1.2 or narrower for crowded conditions. The RIT function is just go to seperate control and adjust the rx independently. Been using my a versions since 67 and mostly for CW. I rarely ever use them in transceive mode. Its just more flexible to be able to adjust the rx without worrying about the tx frequency--and spotting is very fast once you get used to it. FWIW Curt KU8L Edward Swynar wrote: Hi Gene, I understand from what Garey said sometime earlier that the CW offset frequency between the receiver transmuitter on CW is equal to (roughly) the frequency of the sidetone generated by the T-4X---i.e. 800- 900-Hz. That being the case, do you listen for callers on LSB, or USB with the receiver in transceive mode...? And has anyone ever come up with an add-on RIT circuit for the R-4 to compensate for any all potential frequency chasing whilst in transceive...? ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ** - Original Message - From: Eugene Balinski euge...@nni.com To: Edward Swynar gswy...@durham.net; drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Drake Twins Eddy, You will love the Drake line for CW. Just make sure that the Tx and Rx are tracking. There is an alignment procedure in the manual (C-56?). 73 Gene K1NR On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:12:56 -0400 Edward Swynar gswy...@durham.net wrote: Hi Guys, I've been on 160- and 40-meters here with the Drake Twins, passing the time in casual QSOs, pending the termination of the annual ...grass harvest(!) here that will allow me to unroll my ground radials atop the lawn for use in my topband array... The Drakes make for a very sweet set-up on CW---I've been receiving nothing but compliments from the Hams I've been working as to the quality of the signal. I've even been contemplating setting the Twins up in transceive mode in CW---never did that before in that mode. I wonder how that'll work out...? ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ - Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Xmtr gain setting
The plate meter will only kick to 100-150ma on voice peaks when set properly. Adjust the mic gain so that is what you have..depending on the mic you use, 12 oClock might be fine. Don't try to get it to peak up to the loaded value. the dynamics of the meter movement prevent it from responding fast enough to show the actual peak current. A scope can be a valuable tool to monitor for a while untile you are used to what the Normal meter response looks like. Curt KU8L Richard Palmer wrote: Per the manual my Xmtr gain setting is at about 8-8:30. But I have no meter movement when I transmit SSB. If I increase the setting to 12:00 I get deflection while transmitting. So How should I set my Xmtr gain control? Thanks, KB8NXO Toledo,Ohio ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Drake Twins
Eddy - I use the R-4B and T-4XB in SEPARATE mode on CW. The SPOT position allows you to tune the transmitter to the receiver frequency, just like in the old days. Personally, I don't MUTE the receiver and listen to my own signal while transmitting. It's a little loud, but the AVC does a remarkable job of keeping it down, I just slide the phones a little in front of my ears instead of right over them. The biggest problem with transceive operation on CW is that just about every SSB transmitter generates CW by shifting the Carrier Oscillator to within the filter passband and unbalancing the Balanced Modulator. Unfortunately some brands use the USB filter, and some use the LSB filter, so if your transmitter uses LSB (like the Drakes), and the other station uses the USB filter, you end up a couple of kHz away from each other. So SEPARATE and SPOT is the way to go for CW. For SSB, you can use TRANSCEIVE with either the XMTR or RCVR control. If you want the receiver to MUTE when you transmit, just connect a plain old audio patch cable between the MUTE jacks on the receiver and transmitter, and put the receiver in EXT MUTE position. The Transceive Align procedure in the T-4XB manual puts the two Carrier Oscillators on the same frequency, to ensure SSB transceive. This adjustment is NOT 'permanent' and will drift over time/temperature. Color coded crystals help considerably, IF they're the SAME color. If they're different, they make things worse! The B-Line was designed to use LSB for CW, which is why the 'X' is next to the LSB filter and 'CW' on the FUNCTION switch on the transmitter. If your Passband tuner is aligned properly, setting the PASSBAND knob over the LSB dots will allow you to change filter bandwidths without changing this knob. On the narrowest b/w, you may want to tweak it a little to the frequency tone you prefer. This works great, IF you tune in the other station for about an 800-900 Hz tone (too high for most people), _AND_ the other station (if also using a transceiver) uses LSB for CW. This worked just fine back in the 60's, when LSB was 'the convention', and most probably used separate control for CW anyway! With the arrival of the solid state transceivers though, this convention wasn't always followed, and the 200 Hz wide filters with 1:1 shape factors (!) that some use didn't help at all. Bottom line, use separate control for CW. It only takes a second to match your tone to that of the other station with SPOT, and you're free to adjust your receiver to avoid QRM or just change the tone if you feel like it without worrying... Contest operation is really the only place transceive is nicer, and with the narrow filters it's almost impossible to achieve. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-B, C-Line TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Edward Swynar wrote: Hi Gene, I understand from what Garey said sometime earlier that the CW offset frequency between the receiver transmuitter on CW is equal to (roughly) the frequency of the sidetone generated by the T-4X---i.e. 800- 900-Hz. That being the case, do you listen for callers on LSB, or USB with the receiver in transceive mode...? And has anyone ever come up with an add-on RIT circuit for the R-4 to compensate for any all potential frequency chasing whilst in transceive...? ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ** - Original Message - From: Eugene Balinskieuge...@nni.com To: Edward Swynargswy...@durham.net;drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Drake Twins Eddy, You will love the Drake line for CW. Just make sure that the Tx and Rx are tracking. There is an alignment procedure in the manual (C-56?). 73 Gene K1NR On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:12:56 -0400 Edward Swynargswy...@durham.net wrote: Hi Guys, I've been on 160- and 40-meters here with the Drake Twins, passing the time in casual QSOs, pending the termination of the annual ...grass harvest(!) here that will allow me to unroll my ground radials atop the lawn for use in my topband array... The Drakes make for a very sweet set-up on CW---I've been receiving nothing but compliments from the Hams I've been working as to the quality of the signal. I've even been contemplating setting the Twins up in transceive mode in CW---never did that before in that mode. I wonder how that'll work out...? ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ - Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Xmtr gain setting
Well my mic is an Electrovoice 605 so there is no adjustment there. I have no scope and don't foresee getting one. I'm not looking for peak. All I know is that if I decrease my xmtr gain.. it decreases my output power. So I'm guessing ... being a total new-be, that if I increase the xmtr gain over the recommended setting I might be over driving the rig. I hope this explains better what I'm asking. Thanks On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Curt Nixon cptc...@flash.net wrote: The plate meter will only kick to 100-150ma on voice peaks when set properly. Adjust the mic gain so that is what you have..depending on the mic you use, 12 oClock might be fine. Don't try to get it to peak up to the loaded value. the dynamics of the meter movement prevent it from responding fast enough to show the actual peak current. A scope can be a valuable tool to monitor for a while untile you are used to what the Normal meter response looks like. Curt KU8L Richard Palmer wrote: Per the manual my Xmtr gain setting is at about 8-8:30. But I have no meter movement when I transmit SSB. If I increase the setting to 12:00 I get deflection while transmitting. So How should I set my Xmtr gain control? Thanks, KB8NXO Toledo,Ohio ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Xmtr gain setting
Richard - Depending upon your mic and voice characteristics, '8 - 8:30' is VERY low. Most mics need more like 10 - 10:30 GAIN settings. IF your mic has in internal preamp, such as the D-104 with preamp in the base, set the XMTR GAIN to about 10:00 and then increase the mic's gain control until the meter kicks up to 100 - 150 mA _on voice peaks_. You will only see the 'loaded' current if you whistle steadily into the mic. A scope is the BEST way to monitor modulation, since it has an instantaneous response, while the meter is too slow and reads more like the average response. The ALC is good enough in the Drakes that it's just about impossible to drive them into distortion, BUT if you are using an external amp you can easily overdrive it. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-B, C-Line TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Richard Palmer wrote: Per the manual my Xmtr gain setting is at about 8-8:30. But I have no meter movement when I transmit SSB. If I increase the setting to 12:00 I get deflection while transmitting. So How should I set my Xmtr gain control? Thanks, KB8NXO Toledo,Ohio ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] Drake T4X Output
Hello Gang Just picked up a T4X and R4, got them both up and running, however, I am having problem getting the full output wattage on LSB, USB is workin great. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Robert (WW9W)___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] TR-7 Update
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 20:19:54 -0400, K8JDC wrote: I backed off the pot on the predriver board and it's happy so far. I backed it off very slightly and it still oscillated on 40m so I had to go further. I think I still have about the same output power and I think the ALC LED is still coming on correctly so I think it is okay. I still have good power on 10m through 80m. I was careful during the alignment to not set that pot too high. Makes me wonder if something has drifted in value. Proper alignment is a balance between the setting of the gain pot and the ALC pot. Drake spec is to adjust the ALC for 140-150 watts on 20 Meters (CW, carrier control fullly clockwise), then adjust the gain pot so you are *just* into ALC on 10 Meters. The 10 Meter end of it can be a bit iffy, depending on how your PA deck performs at the high end - sometimes you need more gain than the circuit can handle, and 40 Meters takes off. There is an article on WB4HFN's web site about rebuilding the PA deck with some more modern devices that perform better at high frequencies. The gain of the transistors falls off as you go up in frequency, so there is really too much gain in the circuit at lower frequencies. The negative feedback circuit in the REV. 2 predriver board is a RL network from collector to base of Q2201 which provides increasig negative feedback as you go lower in frequency. My educated guess was that more negative feedback was still needed, and reducing the value of R2203 achieved this. There may or may not still be enough gain to get rated power on 10 Meters, results vary. It worked out well on my personal rig with the rebuilt PA deck as per the aforementioned article, and another unit with a stock PA deck. I'm still waiting for some engineer-dude to do the math on the feedback thing... :) I tried some other things, including adding extra grounding foil to the PA board as described in an internet article from another ham, and nothing else seemed to make a dent in the 40 Meter oscilation issue. Floyd's PIN diode attenuator board is a neat idea, and I may give it a try someday just for fun, but for now I'm sticking with the KISS principle - the simple fix is working fine, and I'm happy. -- Ham Radio NU0C Lincoln, Nebraska, U.S.S.A. TR7/RV7/R7A/L7, TR6/RV6, T4XC/R4C/L4B, NCL2000, SB104A, R390A, GT550A/RV550A, HyGain 3750, IBM PS/2 - all vintage, all the time! Give a man a URL, and he will learn for an hour; teach him to Google, and he will learn for a lifetime. HyGain 3750 User's Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HyGain_3750/ http://radiojim.exofire.net http://incolor.inetnebr.com/jshorney http://www.nebraskaghosts.org ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] WTB: Looking for CS 7
Anyone have a CS 7 coax switch they would like to sell? I only need the control box,not the outside box. Email off list,please. Thanks Paul AD3G ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] Appreciate the CDs
While working on my 2B totday, had an opportunity to use the 2B/2BQ CDs purchased awhile ago from you. The receiver had started a severe hum when powered on, so decided it was time to replace the caps before something worse happened. The kit from Hayseed Hamfest included a small 10uf cap that I puzzled over. The CD helped me quickly identify and locate the small electrolytic in the receiver using the parts list and then the color photos. A lot of time and frustration saved. Thanks, and 73 Curt KB5JO___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] FS: Drake TV-1000 1kW Low Pass Filter
Perfect condition, no blown caps, rust, and just the lightest of copper spotting. $10 plus shipping. -- David Goncalves W1EUJ ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] Drake equipment FS, tax deductable!
Fellow Drake enthusiasts, In the weeks ahead I'm going to be offering for sale some Drake equipment and possibly some accessories and parts. This equipment will be offered via the Drakelist and the Drake and Antique Tube Gear Net and, depending on your income tax situation, purchase of the items might be tax deductable. How can that be? Well, the equipment will be sold to fund the Challenge Met Scholarship that is administered by the ARRL. This scholarship is exclusively for ham students with physical and/or learning disabilities. Any items that I will be selling related to this endeavor must be paid for via check or money order made out to the scholarship, not me. Hence, it might be considered a taxable deduction depending on your tax status. I'm not an expert in this area, you'll have to contact your accountant or attorney. As a side note, you can contribute to this worthwhile scholarship directly outside the sale of the Drake gear that I will be listing. It will go to a very good cause. 73, Evan, K9SQG ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Drake equipment FS, tax deductable!
Unfortunately, probably not tax deductible, since the buyer will be receiving merchandise equal in value to the amount paid. So there's no donation to the scholarship fund. But if people want to take the opportunity to add another check to the envelope, above and beyond the purchase price, that would be deductible. To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:24:54 -0400 From: k9...@aol.com Subject: [Drakelist] Drake equipment FS, tax deductable! Fellow Drake enthusiasts, In the weeks ahead I'm going to be offering for sale some Drake equipment and possibly some accessories and parts. This equipment will be offered via the Drakelist and the Drake and Antique Tube Gear Net and, depending on your income tax situation, purchase of the items might be tax deductable. How can that be? Well, the equipment will be sold to fund the Challenge Met Scholarship that is administered by the ARRL. This scholarship is exclusively for ham students with physical and/or learning disabilities. Any items that I will be selling related to this endeavor must be paid for via check or money order made out to the scholarship, not me. Hence, it might be considered a taxable deduction depending on your tax status. I'm not an expert in this area, you'll have to contact your accountant or attorney. As a side note, you can contribute to this worthwhile scholarship directly outside the sale of the Drake gear that I will be listing. It will go to a very good cause. 73, Evan, K9SQG ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] Parts vendor refund problem resolved
Fellow Drake Enthusiats, If you recall the problems I had with SP and AE a few months ago, I would like to provide an update. In terms of the SP company, initially they only refunded the amount of the returned parts. These were parts that were sent to me in error; they selected and shipped the incorrect items due to faulty labeling, stocking, and/or other problems. After that initial credit, I contacted them and indicated that I was displeased since it was their error and there was no reason why I should have to pay the shipping both ways. I tried to be polite in my communication and indicated that I would be using other vendors because of poor customer service. Subsequently, they contacted me and informed me that I would be credited for shipping charges, both ways. I just received my credit card statement and sure enough, the refunds were there. As to AE, again due to their error for sending the wrong parts (their ads, etc. were incorrect), I have not had resolution of the refunds for the parts and shipping charges as yet and am awaiting another credit card statement. It is nice to know that some companies still care about their customers. Let's hope things continue to improve. 73, Evan ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
