Re: [Drakelist] Drake AC-3/AC-4 power supply rebuild kits

2011-12-03 Thread Mark Pilant

Hi Bob.

 Those paper sleeves are more than ornamental.

Very well understood :-)  From looking at the cap kits posted on
the Hayseed site, it looks as though Tom understands this as well.
(As I would expect.)

As I understand it, Tom is waiting on some of the caps for the AC
kits I ordered, but he told me he expected me to have them by
mid-December.

73

- Mark  N1VQW

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Re: [Drakelist] Drake AC-3/AC-4 power supply rebuild kits

2011-12-03 Thread Don Cunningham

Mark,
You are right.  Tom would never violate safety for sales.  He would just 
turn you down.  I completely understand your wanting to keep it original, 
I would just caution folks to do this for themselves and enjoy the rigs 
whichever way chosen.


If we are doing this for an investment in funds, I think we are fooling 
ourselves.  The nice range of old, nice Model T's and A's that had fortunes 
spent on them, and are rusting away in barns now because of a lack of 
interest in them might be a lesson.  I think the interest in tube gear may 
well be resting with those of us now interested, is all I was saying.


Keeping original or making a good working user should be up to the 
individual, and either way accepted by the rest.  I will admit to having 
both, hi.

73,
Don, WB5HAK 



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[Drakelist] Baked Drakes

2011-12-03 Thread John Hudson
Because this subject has been discussed so many times and there is so much 
interest, I thought I'd bring Paul Larona, KB6MIP who worked for HP and cleaned 
and repaired equipment.

You can read his comments below, to correct my comments the soap wasn't Simple 
Green but Zoom.


From: Paul Lorona [mailto:boomer...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 08:35 AM
To: John Hudson
Subject: Re: FW: [Drakelist] Baked Drakes

Hi Johnny -

I wonder who this person reminiscing was? I clearly remember doing exactly 
what was described, except for the distilled water part. I recall using plain 
old tap water. That was back between 1983 and 1993 for me, at the new HP 
Fullerton office on Manhattan Avenue, just northeast of what was back then 
Griswolds Hotel. The old HP building is now the Albertsons / SavOn Corporate 
HQ, I think.

Our wash rack at HP Fullerton was nothing more elaborate than an enclosed 
area maybe 4'W x 3'D x 4'H, with hot and cold water taps and a spigot / hose 
assembly at one end. It had a turntable in it, and as I recall we had some sort 
of heavy duty de-greaser we called Zoom in a 55 gallon drum with a hand pump 
that we used.

The wash rack also had two heating units. One was a simple oven that had a 
rather crude thermostat that held the temperature within somewhere between 150 
and 180 degrees F. This is where we dried the stuff we washed. The other was an 
environmental chamber, which was basically a much better insulated and sealed 
oven with humidity control and a much better temperature setting and regulating 
method. We used the chamber to heat run equipment while powered up, to see if 
things would fail in hot environments. I want to think the chamber ran a bit 
cooler ... somewhere between 100 and 120 degrees F to stress test operating 
equipment.

And yeah ... things with transformers of high-voltage power systems usually 
got baked for at least a weekend, usually a week if the customer wasn't in a 
hurry.

I couldn't even guess how many pieces of electronic equipment I ran through 
the wash rack and oven ... dozens, maybe hundreds. Customers would send us 
stuff that was horrible ... rat nests, dust and crud so thick you couldn't see 
individual components on the circuit boards, CRTs that were dim to the point of 
being useless for the crud built up between the glass and the transparent 
protective covers ... and it would all go back looking sparkling and almost new.

Somewhere in my pile of HP memorabilia I think I have a letter from a 
customer thanking me for resurrecting an old logic analyzer by cleaning it 
up. I washed logic analyzers, data generators, oscilloscopes, DC power systems, 
RF generators, spectrum analyzers ... all kinds of stuff. And after hours I was 
known to wash the off the odd MICOR or MASTR II as well winks.

Those were good times.

Thanks for the memory poke. That was fun.

Paul


I thought you'd get a kick out of this string of comments..

-Original Message-
From: Ed Tanton [mailto:n...@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:34 AM
To: John Hudson; anc...@ec.rr.commailto:anc...@ec.rr.com; 
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Cc: captc...@flash.netmailto:captc...@flash.net; 
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Subject: RE: [Drakelist] Baked Drakes

...and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the key reason for the transformers 
being OK, related to the distilled water!!! Surely that says something about 
other, non-hermetic components as well.

Ed Tanton

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[mailto:drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net] On Behalf Of John Hudson
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Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Baked Drakes

As we all know this has been a hot topic many times on the list. One of my good 
friends worked at HP Fullerton cleaning, repairing, and aligning test 
equipment. The process was, as described prior, blowing out dust, removing 
whose items that water would damage, using a solution of simple green under 
pressure washer, scrubbing with brush as needed,  then rinsing with distilled 
water, air hose, and baking at heat under 200 degrees for a week.  He said 
transformers were not a problem for this process.

It would be awesome to find photo's or documentation of this process and placed 
in our document files.

///snip





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