Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650

2005-06-13 Thread benjamin
nVidia gets a lot of flack on their forums from zealous Linux users.  (-: 
I'm
glad to see the common customers being minor annoyances...

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61077&postcount=222

On Monday 13 June 2005 17:59, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Benjamin Vander Jagt wrote:
> > I think you're right (and it's a pleasure to meet you, by the way),
but
> > the SiS licenses are, as far as I've read them, now "protected" under
two
> > entities instead of just one, so it may be another nVidia case; a
company
> > that *wants* to open up but can't.
> nVidia case ? Would you have a link I can read about that ? I thought
nVidia was closed source for other reasons..
>best
>  Vladimir Dergachev





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Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650

2005-06-13 Thread Vladimir Dergachev



On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Benjamin Vander Jagt wrote:


I think you're right (and it's a pleasure to meet you, by the way), but the
SiS licenses are, as far as I've read them, now "protected" under two
entities instead of just one, so it may be another nVidia case; a company
that *wants* to open up but can't.


nVidia case ? Would you have a link I can read about that ? I thought 
nVidia was closed source for other reasons..


  best

Vladimir Dergachev



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Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650

2005-06-13 Thread Alex Deucher
On 6/13/05, Benjamin Vander Jagt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you're right (and it's a pleasure to meet you, by the way), but the
> SiS licenses are, as far as I've read them, now "protected" under two
> entities instead of just one, so it may be another nVidia case; a company
> that *wants* to open up but can't.
> 

you might want to talk to XGI, they released a driver for the new xgi
cards based on Thomas' sis DDX.  They also have a 3d driver, but I
think it's binary only.  AFAIK, it only supports the new XGI cards and
not the older SiS based ones.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2761

Alex

> Would you like to contact him, or should I?
> 
> (I'm hoping that KMail's reply format is compatible with mailman.  If it's
> not, then I'm sorry for the mess.  Is there any chance that mailman could be
> replaced / complemented with phpBB2 or something of the sort?)
> 
> On Monday 13 June 2005 09:11, Alan Cox wrote:
> >
> > As I understand it SiS no longer own the graphics parts anyway but they
> > were
> > merged with trident and dumped off somewhere.
> >
> > It is possible to get somewhere with .tw vendors, but it does take time,
> > persistence and patience to find the right people. At least we've been
> > successful to a reasonable extent with vendors like VIA and ALi.
> >
> > You might want to contact Richard Stallman as he was talking with
> > several .tw vendors recently and may have contacts he can share or
> > insight into the situation with SiS.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
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Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650

2005-06-13 Thread Benjamin Vander Jagt
I think you're right (and it's a pleasure to meet you, by the way), but the 
SiS licenses are, as far as I've read them, now "protected" under two 
entities instead of just one, so it may be another nVidia case; a company 
that *wants* to open up but can't.

Would you like to contact him, or should I?

(I'm hoping that KMail's reply format is compatible with mailman.  If it's 
not, then I'm sorry for the mess.  Is there any chance that mailman could be 
replaced / complemented with phpBB2 or something of the sort?)

On Monday 13 June 2005 09:11, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> As I understand it SiS no longer own the graphics parts anyway but they
> were
> merged with trident and dumped off somewhere.
>
> It is possible to get somewhere with .tw vendors, but it does take time,
> persistence and patience to find the right people. At least we've been
> successful to a reasonable extent with vendors like VIA and ALi.
>
> You might want to contact Richard Stallman as he was talking with
> several .tw vendors recently and may have contacts he can share or
> insight into the situation with SiS.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
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[Bug 3259] MGA: Add support for PCI cards

2005-06-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2005-06-13 11:34 ---
I have tested the current set of patches on a G400 AGP on x86.  The following
table summarizes the results.  To test, I started the X-server, ran a GL app
(glxgears), quit the server, restarted the server, re-ran the GL app.

I have not been able to test this on an actual PCI card yet.  The only PCI MGA
card that I have is for PowerPC.  There seem to be some byte-ordering issues in
the MGA DRM.  At this point, I think fixing those issues is beyond the scope of
this patch.

DRM   DDX   client-side DRI | result
+---
old   old   old | works
old   old   new | works
old   new   old | works
old   new   new | works
new   old   old | works
new   old   new | works
new   new   old | works*
new   new   new | works

* This configuration only works if 'Option "OldDmaInit" "true"' appears in the
Device section of the xorg.conf.  Otherwise any GL app will segfault in the
client-side driver.

  
 
 
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[Bug 3259] MGA: Add support for PCI cards

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2005-06-13 11:25 ---
Created an attachment (id=2886)
 --> (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=2886&action=view)
Adds support for PCI cards to MGA DRM, take 2

Based on feedback from Eric Anholt, the drm_core_ names were changed to drm_
names.  When this caused a collision with the existing ioctl handler function,
the ioctl handler function was changed to drm_*_ioctl.

This patch also replaces the drm_agp_do_release function with drm_agp_release. 
drm_agp_release (drm_core_agp_release in the previous patch) is very similar to
drm_agp_do_release, and I saw no reason to have both.
  
 
 
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RE: need help writing driver for SiS m650

2005-06-13 Thread Alan Cox
On Llu, 2005-06-13 at 11:28, Matt Sealey wrote:
> You have a good point. I still say it would not endear you to SiS.
> It is way too easy for them to be spiteful than help.

As I understand it SiS no longer own the graphics parts anyway but they
were
merged with trident and dumped off somewhere. 

It is possible to get somewhere with .tw vendors, but it does take time,
persistence and patience to find the right people. At least we've been
successful to a reasonable extent with vendors like VIA and ALi. 

You might want to contact Richard Stallman as he was talking with
several .tw vendors recently and may have contacts he can share or
insight into the situation with SiS.

Alan



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Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650

2005-06-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 12:01:03AM -0400, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Matt Sealey wrote:
> 
> >
> >Someone explain to me why an organised boycott of SiS graphics chips
> >would somehow ENCOURAGE them to help?
> 
> If all other things have been tried why not ?
> 
> At least the boycott also makes sure that people who follow it don't have 
> hardware we can't write drivers for.

I wouldn call making sure people don buy useless hardware a boycott though,
but simple common sense.

Friendly,

Sven Luther



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RE: need help writing driver for SiS m650

2005-06-13 Thread Matt Sealey


> -Original Message-
> From: Vladimir Dergachev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:01 PM
> To: Matt Sealey
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: RE: need help writing driver for SiS m650
> 
>
> At least the boycott also makes sure that people who follow 
> it don't have hardware we can't write drivers for.

:D

You have a good point. I still say it would not endear you to SiS.
It is way too easy for them to be spiteful than help.

> PS Is ODW fanless ? Just curious..

Ooh you noticed us :D

No it's not. The CPU has a fan and so does the PSU. The
CPU fan is drowned by the noise of the PSU fan. There is
an 80mm case fan for those that live on Mustafar but it
is not connected by default.

We are working on a completely passive system and getting
the PSU is the hard part.

-- 
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Manager, Genesi, Developer Relations



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Re: Fwd: radeon YCbCr output

2005-06-13 Thread Steven Newbury
Okay. Thanks, I'll take a look. Unfortuneately I've only got net access on my
mobile phone at the moment. It won't be until next week that I can
realistically have a go, but I'll post any progress.  If I can't get it to
work, I'll install Windows and try to get a register dump with it working. Is
there anything I can use to do that?
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