[Dri-devel] M10 support

2003-10-04 Thread Jason Dagit
Who is working on support for the M10?  Anyone?

I'm about to get one and I'm a little worried about using the ati
drivers since they can crash the system on suspend/resume.  This is
a laptop system so I'm going to want suspend/resume and I don't want
to be restarting X every time I resume.

I could help with adding the support.  I'm a decent programmer
(although this is something I've never tried).  But I thought I'd ask
if anyone else was working on this yet.  I would rather get the
technical info from someone on the project then have to ask ati for
it.

I imagine the M10 support would be a specialization of the rv350
support.  But I could be wrongI'm new to this and have always
bought nvidia cards in the past.

Jason



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Re: [Dri-devel] M10 support

2003-10-04 Thread Alex Deucher
xfree86 and DRI CVS have 2D support for m10 already.  3D is not
possible as no one has sponsored development of an opensource driver
and no one has the databooks for the r300 yet.  So, if you want 3D,
you'll have to use the ati binary driver.

Alex

--- Jason Dagit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Who is working on support for the M10?  Anyone?
 
 I'm about to get one and I'm a little worried about using the ati
 drivers since they can crash the system on suspend/resume.  This is
 a laptop system so I'm going to want suspend/resume and I don't want
 to be restarting X every time I resume.
 
 I could help with adding the support.  I'm a decent programmer
 (although this is something I've never tried).  But I thought I'd ask
 if anyone else was working on this yet.  I would rather get the
 technical info from someone on the project then have to ask ati for
 it.
 
 I imagine the M10 support would be a specialization of the rv350
 support.  But I could be wrongI'm new to this and have always
 bought nvidia cards in the past.
 
 Jason
 
 
 
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Re: [Dri-devel] M10 support

2003-10-04 Thread Jason Dagit

Alex Deucher wrote (on Sat, 4 Oct 2003 at 08:49 -0700):

  xfree86 and DRI CVS have 2D support for m10 already.  3D is not
  possible as no one has sponsored development of an opensource driver
  and no one has the databooks for the r300 yet.  So, if you want 3D,
  you'll have to use the ati binary driver.

Are you sure about xfree86, I checked their website last night and
they list support via the ati driver, which I took to mean the driver
provided by ati.  

I checked the status page for dri and nothing is mentioned about the
M10.  Shouldn't that page be updated if you have 2d support now?

Has anyone tried to get the databooks for the M10 or 9600 yet?  How
hard is this?  Do you guys have an established reputation with ati?  I
noticed in the FAQ that it said you don't give out the info once they
give it to you.  Why is that?  And why do they only give out the info
to companies.  Seems a bit silly.  Could I just claim to have my own
company and get the data?  Why yes, I'm the CEO of Just for DRI, a
new company that is making drivers for DRI.  Ya know, or something
equally silly.

When you say sponsored development do you mean monetary sponsorship,
or do you mean something else?

Thanks for the reply, sorry I have so many questions that are probably
really silly.

Thanks,
Jason

  
  Alex
  
  --- Jason Dagit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Who is working on support for the M10?  Anyone?
   
   I'm about to get one and I'm a little worried about using the ati
   drivers since they can crash the system on suspend/resume.  This is
   a laptop system so I'm going to want suspend/resume and I don't want
   to be restarting X every time I resume.
   
   I could help with adding the support.  I'm a decent programmer
   (although this is something I've never tried).  But I thought I'd ask
   if anyone else was working on this yet.  I would rather get the
   technical info from someone on the project then have to ask ati for
   it.
   
   I imagine the M10 support would be a specialization of the rv350
   support.  But I could be wrongI'm new to this and have always
   bought nvidia cards in the past.
   
   Jason
   
   
   
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Re: [Dri-devel] M10 support

2003-10-04 Thread Alex Deucher

--- Jason Dagit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Alex Deucher wrote (on Sat, 4 Oct 2003 at 08:49 -0700):
 
   xfree86 and DRI CVS have 2D support for m10 already.  3D is not
   possible as no one has sponsored development of an opensource
 driver
   and no one has the databooks for the r300 yet.  So, if you want
 3D,
   you'll have to use the ati binary driver.
 
 Are you sure about xfree86, I checked their website last night and
 they list support via the ati driver, which I took to mean the driver
 provided by ati.  
 
 I checked the status page for dri and nothing is mentioned about the
 M10.  Shouldn't that page be updated if you have 2d support now?
 

the DRI and xfree86 recently synced up so, they are, right now, for
most intents and purposes the same code base.  Right now there is 2D
support only for r3xx series cards.  I haven't checked the web pages in
a while.  the ati driver is the name of the xfree86 driver for ati
cards.  it's not provided by ati although they do contribute code to
it.

 Has anyone tried to get the databooks for the M10 or 9600 yet?  How
 hard is this?  Do you guys have an established reputation with ati? 

I heard the gatos people got the databooks for the r3xx cards but I'm
not sure if that includes 3D registers as well or just 2d and overlay
stuff.  many xfree86 and DRI developers have a good relationship with
ati.  ati contributes quite a bit of code.  I'm not sure if anyone has
tried to get databooks for the 3D stuff yet; I don't even know if ati
will release them.

 I
 noticed in the FAQ that it said you don't give out the info once they
 give it to you.  Why is that?  And why do they only give out the info
 to companies.  Seems a bit silly.  Could I just claim to have my own
 company and get the data?  Why yes, I'm the CEO of Just for DRI, a
 new company that is making drivers for DRI.  Ya know, or something
 equally silly.

If you want the databooks, you'll need to register on their website. 
if you are not a company, then put in something like opensource
developer or hobbyist.  

 
 When you say sponsored development do you mean monetary
 sponsorship,
 or do you mean something else?

Yes monetary sponsorship.  writing a 3D driver for a new chip like the
r3xx chips is no small undertaking.  it's a lot of work.  the weather
channel funded the development of the r2xx drivers.

 
 Thanks for the reply, sorry I have so many questions that are
 probably
 really silly.
 
 Thanks,
 Jason


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