Re: [Dri-users] Re: problems compiling xorg cvs Re: drm CVS state...

2005-01-04 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 22:28 +, Sergio Monteiro Basto wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 22:07 +, Dave Airlie wrote:
> > >
> > > After think a little and put dri working with kernel 2.4.
> > > The only solution, that I see, to not private users of savage with
> > > kernel 2.4, have dri. Is do 2 directory on Xorg tree, one with the code
> > > before 2005-01-01 and other for kernel 2.6
> > 
> > Not really a good idea, the old code was not releaseable or secure, 2.4 is
> > a fixes only tree, why do people want new drivers for it? if you are
> > running production machines on it you won't want a dodgy DRM driver on
> > it...
> > 
> > you can always use CVS to checkout the old code...
> > 
> > Dave.
> 
> Ok I accept that, about releaseable and dodgy DRM drive, I agree.
> 
> but just a tough, about security, nowadays it common say, errors are
> security problems, I don't see how could drm be insecure. 
> 

DRM can be insecure because some hardware supports things like blitting
any chunk of system memory from anywhere to anywhere.  So you can't just
let apps do anything, you have to verify the command stream somehow.

Lee



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Re: [Dri-users] Re: problems compiling xorg cvs Re: drm CVS state...

2005-01-04 Thread Dave Airlie
>
> Ok I accept that, about releaseable and dodgy DRM drive, I agree.
>
> but just a tough, about security, nowadays it common say, errors are
> security problems, I don't see how could drm be insecure.

Well if you have a multi-user machine, and they have access to the
insecure drm, they can write some code to get the graphics card to DMA
some root only RAM somewhere else, so things like passwd file contents etc
can be gotten at ... it requires some knowledge of the graphics card but
it is not beyond a decent hacker... (average script kiddie might have some
issues...)

Dave.

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Re: [Dri-users] Re: problems compiling xorg cvs Re: drm CVS state...

2005-01-04 Thread Sergio Monteiro Basto
On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 22:07 +, Dave Airlie wrote:
> >
> > After think a little and put dri working with kernel 2.4.
> > The only solution, that I see, to not private users of savage with
> > kernel 2.4, have dri. Is do 2 directory on Xorg tree, one with the code
> > before 2005-01-01 and other for kernel 2.6
> 
> Not really a good idea, the old code was not releaseable or secure, 2.4 is
> a fixes only tree, why do people want new drivers for it? if you are
> running production machines on it you won't want a dodgy DRM driver on
> it...
> 
> you can always use CVS to checkout the old code...
> 
> Dave.

Ok I accept that, about releaseable and dodgy DRM drive, I agree.

but just a tough, about security, nowadays it common say, errors are
security problems, I don't see how could drm be insecure. 

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Re: [Dri-users] Re: problems compiling xorg cvs Re: drm CVS state...

2005-01-04 Thread Dave Airlie

>
> After think a little and put dri working with kernel 2.4.
> The only solution, that I see, to not private users of savage with
> kernel 2.4, have dri. Is do 2 directory on Xorg tree, one with the code
> before 2005-01-01 and other for kernel 2.6

Not really a good idea, the old code was not releaseable or secure, 2.4 is
a fixes only tree, why do people want new drivers for it? if you are
running production machines on it you won't want a dodgy DRM driver on
it...

you can always use CVS to checkout the old code...

Dave.

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http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / airlied at skynet.ie
pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person



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Re: [Dri-users] Re: problems compiling xorg cvs Re: drm CVS state...

2005-01-04 Thread Sergio Monteiro Basto
redirecting to devel ML

On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 23:38 +, Sergio Monteiro Basto wrote:
> If you're still using Linux 2.4 you need to upgrade that first.

After think a little and put dri working with kernel 2.4. 
The only solution, that I see, to not private users of savage with
kernel 2.4, have dri. Is do 2 directory on Xorg tree, one with the code
before 2005-01-01 and other for kernel 2.6  

thanks,  

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