Combining Mesa3D and DRI mailing lists and/or sites? (was: Re: Wrapping up 7.4 (finally))
2008/6/12 Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:49:57AM +0300, Timo Jyrinki wrote: >> Speaking of which, if you have any ideas how to better interlink and combine: >> - http://dri.freedesktop.org/ >> - http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ >> - http://mesa3d.org/ ... > I don't understand why DRI and Mesa have separate lists and websites, > tbh, especially given the level of crosstalk. For the wikis, it should > be possible to link between them, and I'll try to sort out how to make > that happen. Hi. Would it be any beneficial to (either, both or neither): 1. Combine mailing lists as follows: - mesa3d-dev & dri-devel - mesa3d-users & dri-users - mesa3d-announce & dri-announce - mesa-commit & dri-patches There is probably historical reasons for the separation, but are there any current ones that would be more important than the benefits for single point of discussion about Mesa/DRI which overlap so much anyway (especially in users' perspective, but also development-wise)? At the same time, they might be moved to freedesktop.org from sourceforge.net? 2. Make DRI's wiki into combined Mesa3D's and DRI's wiki. Mesa3D does not currently have a wiki of its own, but DRI has. Mesa3D certainly doesn't need yet another wiki in addition to X.org wiki and DRI wiki, so why not make it a common one officially? I think Mesa3D's current web site is quite nicely organized, and could be evolved from that by integrating a bit more DRI stuff and the new (currently DRI) wiki into it. Certainly not throwing away it and replacing with a wiki, a wiki would take a very big effort to make it as navigable and organized as the Mesa3D homepage currently is. If either sounds reasonable, is it acceptable for DRI as a project to be generally known (as it already mostly is known, I think) a sub-project of Mesa3D, so the combined name would be simply Mesa3D? Or is there a need for clearer separation between the two? Mainly important from the perspective of naming of the mailing lists, ie. can they be mesa3d-devel or something else. -Timo - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Combining Mesa3D and DRI mailing lists and/or sites? (was: Re: Wrapping up 7.4 (finally))
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/12 Keith Whitwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> In reality, what has happened is that most of this has already >> occurred -- whatever 3d driver-related traffic that hasn't been sucked >> into IRC is now occurring on the Mesa lists. > > Right. I now rearranged DRI wiki's mailing list page > http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/MailingLists by stating that fact. I > also commented out the dri-announce mailing list which hadn't been > used for 5+ years. > >> I actually think the current structure makes a lot of sense - if we >> wanted a change, we could rename dri-devel to drm-devel, but it hardly >> seems worthwhile. > > It'd be nice, but only if somehow automagic enough. Just documentation > is mostly enough, too. > > What about the dri-users mailing list? From users point of view > DRI/Mesa/DRM are mostly all the same (users want them all), and any > "users" of DRM are likely to be halfway developers anyway. While DRI > discussion has successfully migrated to mesa3d-dev list, users are > currently randomly posting either mesa3d-users or dri-users and the > discussion is not coherent. Could those two mailing lists be merged > into mesa3d-users, or do you think that mentioning dri-users is > (nowadays) for DRM discussion is enough to fix the problem from now > on? I think dri-users is certainly redundant now, likewise -announce. If those could somehow get funneled into mesa-users or an appropriate Xorg list, that would be fine with me... > Regarding wikis, I also started reorganizing the front page > http://dri.freedesktop.org/ a bit, including changing title to include > Mesa, too. I still think that it could be the wiki for both Mesa and > DRI, and that mesa3d.org could include a link to the wiki (or "DRI > wiki" because of the current status) under eg. the "Resources" title > instead of having the link to "DRI website" only in the bottom of the > navigation. What do you think? I'm also ok with this general concept. Keith - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Combining Mesa3D and DRI mailing lists and/or sites? (was: Re: Wrapping up 7.4 (finally))
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/12 Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:49:57AM +0300, Timo Jyrinki wrote: >>> Speaking of which, if you have any ideas how to better interlink and >>> combine: >>> - http://dri.freedesktop.org/ >>> - http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ >>> - http://mesa3d.org/ > ... >> I don't understand why DRI and Mesa have separate lists and websites, >> tbh, especially given the level of crosstalk. For the wikis, it should >> be possible to link between them, and I'll try to sort out how to make >> that happen. > > Hi. Would it be any beneficial to (either, both or neither): > > 1. Combine mailing lists as follows: > - mesa3d-dev & dri-devel > - mesa3d-users & dri-users > - mesa3d-announce & dri-announce > - mesa-commit & dri-patches > > There is probably historical reasons for the separation, but are there > any current ones that would be more important than the benefits for > single point of discussion about Mesa/DRI which overlap so much anyway > (especially in users' perspective, but also development-wise)? > > At the same time, they might be moved to freedesktop.org from sourceforge.net? > > 2. Make DRI's wiki into combined Mesa3D's and DRI's wiki. Mesa3D does > not currently have a wiki of its own, but DRI has. Mesa3D certainly > doesn't need yet another wiki in addition to X.org wiki and DRI wiki, > so why not make it a common one officially? > > I think Mesa3D's current web site is quite nicely organized, and could > be evolved from that by integrating a bit more DRI stuff and the new > (currently DRI) wiki into it. Certainly not throwing away it and > replacing with a wiki, a wiki would take a very big effort to make it > as navigable and organized as the Mesa3D homepage currently is. > > If either sounds reasonable, is it acceptable for DRI as a project to > be generally known (as it already mostly is known, I think) a > sub-project of Mesa3D, so the combined name would be simply Mesa3D? Or > is there a need for clearer separation between the two? Mainly > important from the perspective of naming of the mailing lists, ie. can > they be mesa3d-devel or something else. In reality, what has happened is that most of this has already occurred -- whatever 3d driver-related traffic that hasn't been sucked into IRC is now occurring on the Mesa lists. The DRI list has in effect become the list for development of the drm kernel module, libdrm, and the various memory manager implementations. While Mesa is an important client of these, it is far from being the only client. I actually think the current structure makes a lot of sense - if we wanted a change, we could rename dri-devel to drm-devel, but it hardly seems worthwhile. Another proposal would be to merge the DRI lists into LKML... I don't really want to do that either... Keith - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: Combining Mesa3D and DRI mailing lists and/or sites? (was: Re: Wrapping up 7.4 (finally))
2008/6/12 Keith Whitwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In reality, what has happened is that most of this has already > occurred -- whatever 3d driver-related traffic that hasn't been sucked > into IRC is now occurring on the Mesa lists. Right. I now rearranged DRI wiki's mailing list page http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/MailingLists by stating that fact. I also commented out the dri-announce mailing list which hadn't been used for 5+ years. > I actually think the current structure makes a lot of sense - if we > wanted a change, we could rename dri-devel to drm-devel, but it hardly > seems worthwhile. It'd be nice, but only if somehow automagic enough. Just documentation is mostly enough, too. What about the dri-users mailing list? From users point of view DRI/Mesa/DRM are mostly all the same (users want them all), and any "users" of DRM are likely to be halfway developers anyway. While DRI discussion has successfully migrated to mesa3d-dev list, users are currently randomly posting either mesa3d-users or dri-users and the discussion is not coherent. Could those two mailing lists be merged into mesa3d-users, or do you think that mentioning dri-users is (nowadays) for DRM discussion is enough to fix the problem from now on? Regarding wikis, I also started reorganizing the front page http://dri.freedesktop.org/ a bit, including changing title to include Mesa, too. I still think that it could be the wiki for both Mesa and DRI, and that mesa3d.org could include a link to the wiki (or "DRI wiki" because of the current status) under eg. the "Resources" title instead of having the link to "DRI website" only in the bottom of the navigation. What do you think? -Timo - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
