RE: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Le mardi 28 octobre 2008 à 17:17 +0200, Jani Partanen a écrit : Well I have been here a few years and this is now a 4th time I think when people speak about fork. I have said it before and say it again. Fork is only solution if dspam gonna survive. SN just don't do anything to support this fine program. Every time when there is fork talk, they will pop up here and tell you that We will do this and that but they never do it. +1 - I am not a developer, hence cannot initiate the fork - but as others have already said, I am ready to help for other things (testing, translations, documentation, project management, website, etc.). IMHO, we would need at least 2 core developers to lead the project - as this would mean working a lot on dspam, people might de frightened... Moreover, I am not sure all possibly interested developers read this list. I hence propose we all rely this query on our personal blogs/websites so that the information might have a larger audience (and will hopefully been published on major opensource websites). As I guess we are all from different countries, it might also be interesting to relay the information on local websites. Could someone try and sum up what would be the required competences to set up such a fork? Cheers, Julien !DSPAM:1011,49074ab8150922051512830!
[dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Julien Valroff schrieb: Could someone try and sum up what would be the required competences to set up such a fork? The same as always: Developers which are willing to work. As Jani I'm on this list since several years. For every fork talk, something is missing: People saying I will do. Please stop offering hosting etc. This doesn't matter imho. What is missing (and it was missing for every single fork thread in the past) is developers. So if you are no developer, there is not much you can do. Any successful fork will need developers which do the hard work without immediate gains. So I think a successful fork will 'just happen' by someone who develops for his own and send patches. If there are enough patches floating around, someone will set up more infrastructure. And don't bet on the hope that 'maybe not everyone is informed'. Getting real developers (and not 'web developers') which can code C with high quality is extremly hard. So either there are people on this list which do just start or DSPAM will be frozen like the last years. fs PS: Don't get me wrong - I would really like to see more development activities. But don't be naive: A successful fork is very hard and as a non-developer you probably underestimate the effort needed by a factor of 10. !DSPAM:1011,49074dcf150922100047616!
AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Felix is right, in fiorst line developers are needed What about the apache foundation and spamassasin maybe we should talk with them to bring out an hybrid fork whatever :-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Felix Schwarz Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2008 18:37 An: Julien Valroff Cc: Jani Partanen; dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Julien Valroff schrieb: Could someone try and sum up what would be the required competences to set up such a fork? The same as always: Developers which are willing to work. As Jani I'm on this list since several years. For every fork talk, something is missing: People saying I will do. Please stop offering hosting etc. This doesn't matter imho. What is missing (and it was missing for every single fork thread in the past) is developers. So if you are no developer, there is not much you can do. Any successful fork will need developers which do the hard work without immediate gains. So I think a successful fork will 'just happen' by someone who develops for his own and send patches. If there are enough patches floating around, someone will set up more infrastructure. And don't bet on the hope that 'maybe not everyone is informed'. Getting real developers (and not 'web developers') which can code C with high quality is extremly hard. So either there are people on this list which do just start or DSPAM will be frozen like the last years. fs PS: Don't get me wrong - I would really like to see more development activities. But don't be naive: A successful fork is very hard and as a non-developer you probably underestimate the effort needed by a factor of 10. !DSPAM:1011,49075255150925852358820!
Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
--On October 28, 2008 6:37:12 PM +0100 Felix Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julien Valroff schrieb: Could someone try and sum up what would be the required competences to set up such a fork? The same as always: Developers which are willing to work. As Jani I'm on this list since several years. For every fork talk, something is missing: People saying I will do. If those were present, then there would be no need to fork, as SN has made it quite clear that they'd be happy to allow other developers access the code and commit fixes, do releases, etc. The real problem here is a lack of developers, either from SN or the community. Forking doesn't solve either. --Quanah !DSPAM:1011,490788de150921006924847!
