Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy
Wouldn't it be nice if say, a group of people around the country (or world even), could put a special call in the UR field and everyone in that group would have their traffic automatically routed to all the other members, bit like a multicast I suppose, but not much fun if the local repeater was already in use. (That's where G3 'could' come in handy, sending a message instead to the members radio on that repeater, underneath the QSO without hindering the other users...then you could switch to another repeater/node and continue.) I suppose you could subscribe to a 'multicast group', something like a reflector that handles instantaneous multiple connections. Food for thought... 73 de Neil G7EBY. - Original Message - From: john_ke5c To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:42 PM Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy And yes, Packet radio died because it worked. As packet became popular and people used it, the traffic went up and eventually people left because now the network was too congested to do anything. AX25 reminds me quite a bit of D-Star. AX25 has two modes: connected (linked) and unconnected (UI or broadcast). D-Star has two similar modes: directed (UR set to a registered callsign) and CQ (UR set to CQCQCQ). When AX25 began there was some experimentation and evolution about when each mode should be used. Unconnected was useful for calling CQ but connected was useful for linking to bulletin boards and for QSO's although you could QSO in unconnected mode too. Similar experimentation and evolution seems ongoing within D-Star, especially with the dplus extension (not a part of the D-Star specification at all). I think people left packet before the network congestion began. Bulletin boards became internet rather than RF connected, and there were competing digital modes that worked more reliably, especially on HF. Although of experimental interest, attended data modes on VHF have just never been hugely popular. APRS caused the inherent inadequacies of the original AX25 specification for congested channels to become a real problem, but that didn't kill packet, rather, packet evolved with UI flood/trace and NSR (no source) routing and with more intelligent digipeaters (read gateways). One can only wonder how D-Star will next adapt and evolve. 73 -- John
Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
Hi David, Just to clarify, I am not in this situation (and never hope to be!), but I do know of hams that have had to go down that route, I also know some that have circumvented the 'rules', even for HF, with kind permission of the maintenance guy saying Its to do with the telephone system or something similar. Rights being taken away? Didn't think we had any left over here, only to do as we're toldHi hi. As I am ex-NHS (National Health Service) I'll reply off group a bit more about that when I get back tonight. (We couldn't live without it, not that we know any different, just like all the immigrants that keep coming over to get sorted out healthwise and fleese the system.) 73 Neil. - Original Message - From: David Holman To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys Neil, Landlords are a whole different story, since you don't own the property. In your case, a dongle might be the only way to get out, but don't count on it in an emergency. That is all I am saying. You might have a connection, you might not. With a radio, you at least have simplex when all else fails. So you can't use an HT?? I didn't realize that is was that bad in the UK. Allow me to apologize to you. I didn't understand. Thanks for explaining that. I also didn't think you had private hospitals over there. They are trying to force socialized medicine down our throats in the US. The proponents keep saying that England has socialized medicine. Everything is free and it works. I guess it is good to talk to the users of the system periodically. Perhaps, outside of the group, you could tell me more about the socialized medicine system you have. Start putting the bug in your neighbor's ears that it is NOT Ok, acceptable or anything to have your individual rights taken away. Maybe if they think about it, they can start a movement to fix it. I hope that you can get back on the air. It sounds like some extreme conditions to come back from. Hope your health returns too. Good luck with that. 73 David, AC7DS --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Neil barrym...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Neil barrym...@ntlworld.com Subject: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:29 PM Hi David, I get your point, but those hospitalised or in care homes are lucky to have the internet at all. I hope myself or others on this group do not become part of this group. Over here (in the UK), we have landlords that refuse all sorts of things, from anything that penatrates the walls (eg. drawing pins) to putting anything at all on the outside of their buildings. I know people that have 'installed' wallpaper with bluetac to circumvent their rediculous 'laws'. A TV/VHF/DAB antenna is usually supplied from a communual array on the roof, that's all they get. Sattelite dishes are frowned upon, even cable is banned! OK, I hear you say 'Move!' but when you've just been released from a private hospital and had your property sold to pay for the care you had, its not that simple. (It can cost the same as a mortgage a month to have private care a week over here, so do the math.) If I want a dropped kerb for my car in my newly modified garden to go over the sidewalk, I HAVE to use a pre ellected contractor, otherwise I get prosocuted if found doing it myself or with a non approved contractor. And boy, do they charge through the nose for it. As I said before, I hope I am either not in this country, or don't have to endure the rules if it comes to that. After all, we are British and everyone seems to just take the flac without question over here. Probably accounts for the resultant loss of freedom and rights we have left. (If any!) Sorry for the rant, but the truth is the truth, I feel pity on those that have to live under such a regime. Thank god for the internet, we would loose quite a few individuals 'on the air' via it otherwise that some enjoy talking to. 73 de Neil G7EBY. - Original Message - From: David Holman To: dstar_digital@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy Neil, The dongle is a good opportunity for those that have no choice, but is still no substitute for a real radio. I know, DStar isn't everywhere, YET. :-D The part of your message that bothers me is: Given that some have restrictions on antenna's and planning regs I suppose we could make exceptions.. .. Why should we have to make
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy
H... If Icom themselves aren't interested in showing off their kit, then open source/homebrew it must be. Would't it be good if there was an Icom stand next to a homebrew D-Star repeater group, one side costs thousands, the other, less than $100. I think the message is clear, I know what I'd rather have, a sub $100 box that out performs well an expensive piece of junk that doesn't work 1/2 as well. I talk from experiance too, if I could actually say there was an Icom VHF box over here that works as well as any of the homebrew ones over here, then I would not have to make this statement. GB3WE is proof of this, just worked it today almost 100 miles away, show me an Icom box that will do the same... I must admit, I am curious to the new DVAP, after all, a Lot have D-Star radios and no access, this will be a good seller 73 de Neil G7EBY. - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Cc: Woodrick, Ed Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy all Inline comments and questions for you Ed. On 1/19/2010 11:37 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: We tried to have the stack in Icom's cabinet up and working (what sells radios better than hams with their own radios showing off the technology?!) for the ARRL Rocky Mtn Region Convention the last time it was in Colorado. I tried REALLY hard to get Icom Sales interested in properly setting up their road-show booth with a WORKING D-STAR stack, and ran into numerous willpower issues. They're not interested. That’s why there is a growing number of portable repeaters to provide that function. We haven’t had a hamfest around here in the last few years without a gateway connected stack. And for the last year, a number of the hamfests have had two different stacks deployed. I guess you have people with more money doing D-STAR around there, than around here. Who's paid for entire stacks to take to local events? They work with some people to get it running at Dayton I think, but offers of setting up mobile broadband routers, something that would use hotel WiFi and establish a VPN to get a static public IP, etc... were all rebuffed prior to the event. I gave up, as we all had better things to spend our time on than arguing with Icom. They also stated they could NOT (policy?) load D-Plus or any non-Icom software on the GW machine serving their official demo rack. The “demo” box that Icom has for hamfests is commonly called the icebox. (It looks like a refrigerator when closing) This isn’t the system (AFAIK) that has been used at Dayton. The Dayton system has been one that the Texas Team brings to the event. I also had mine up there last year. Ahh, didn't know that. Even more silly. Icom's relying on other folks to demo their products. I’m with them, I wouldn’t want anyone playing with my computers either. The icebox is used weekend after weekend and there is no time or personnel available to fix it. But again, I believe that it actually was the Texas stack that you are referring to. In the U.S., the organization they chose to run the network (the Texas group) requires D-PLUS. If Icom won't put it on their own U.S. demo stack... that's stupid. Why am I even pointing this out? We're back into brain damage mode. There's nothing technically difficult about setting up a mobile stack, your comments that you take yours everywhere proves that. What point are you trying to make about theirs? All I'm reading into your message is that you (a volunteer with no monetary interest) is doing a better job at having mobile gear up and working at local events than the folks who have funding and are selling the product??? Was that the point you were trying to make? So yeah, put up a hotspot at a hamfest, and sell more Icom repeaters and radios, because they're not interested in showing off their own technology... Sure, why not? ;-) Like I said, we’ve been doing it for years. Of course, to make best use of it, you should also schedule one or more forums to talk about D-STAR. So I'm confused. Are you taking a hot-spot of some sort (Satoshi board) or a complete stack of official Icom repeaters? Just curious... goes back to the who the heck paid for that? question at the top. Forums are definitely required. I did two of them at the Colorado event and had lots of questions from folks later on, but all I could do was simplex demos. Back when I did talks on IRLP, I brought a Node and had it working via DIAL-UP IP in the hotel room on the GSM CODEC. I couldn't afford to bring a D-STAR Stack. We'll see how the pricing is on the hotspot. Maybe I will get one of those for such things. There's only about five events I'd want to take D-STAR to each year around here, really, and only two that have enough interested tech folks who'd want to hear about D-STAR
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy
I agree, those that sit in front of a PC all day without RF are not 'radio' amateurs. The thing about D-Star IS the connectivity, its no different nowadays than having electricity at a site really, the internet is a utility and almost available everywhere, like roads and fuel, so used in its proper place, nobody should have a problem recognising it as long as its not the main reason we have it. We all appreciate street lighting, but don't moan that its using electricity after all. (If you see where I'm coming from.) A lot of packet backbones went over to the internet for reliability and security, it didn't kill the mode, although we have stepped in at a later stage with D-Star here, lets not take a step backwards. 73 de Neil G7EBY. - Original Message - From: David Holman To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy I play with DStar and have played with it in a number of environments. I think that DStar is awesome, but we (the hams) really need to pry ICOM's icy grip off of it. The system is awesome, but the fact that no other manufacturers will play in this game is bad. I am not much of a dongle supporter because we are radio amateurs, not internet amateurs. The internet is a great thing, but we should not become dependent on it, and that is what the dongle does. We need to figure out how to set up an RF network that will support routing of the DStar transmissions and move away from the internet. Again, that would require us to pry ICOM's icy grip off DStar. I am not sure how to do that. I will leave that up to people much smarter than me. 73 David, AC7DS
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy
If its the ONLY way onto D-Star, then OK. I have one myself, for a while, it was the only option. I do know people that use anything but RF all day long to chat. Given that some have restrictions on antenna's and planning regs I suppose we could make exceptions, its just those that won't make the effort that bug me. 73 Neil. - Original Message - From: Adrian To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy On 01/20/2010 07:01 AM, Neil wrote: I agree, those that sit in front of a PC all day without RF are not 'radio' amateurs. Well DV Dongle users still get to TX on RF, just via UDP first. vk4tux
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Call for Articles - The DSTARINFO Newsletter
Hi Ed, Have a nose through this lot for the UK, not all are operational or linked: (GB7MM for starters.) http://www.ukrepeater.net/channels/d-star.htm Maps are at the bottom. I do have some old maps, showing the coverage back then which gives a good indication that D-Star is (or was) growing in the UK. 73 de Neil G7EBY. - Original Message - From: Woodrick, Ed To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Call for Articles - The DSTARINFO Newsletter Call for Articles - The DSTARINFO Newsletter The DSTARINFO Newsletter is a quarterly newsletter being published both electronically and in print to be distributed at club meetings and hamfests. The newsletter will be available at www.DSTARINFO.com. The newsletter is intended to include D-STAR information for Radio Amateurs worldwide from newbies to experienced users to system admins. At this time we are soliciting articles and photos for the next issue, areas of interest include: a.. D-STAR in Use - Articles describing D-STAR's utilization in your organization. b.. Regional Reports - Articles on activities in your region c.. Net Reports - Description of your net, focus, number of repeaters and/or check-ins d.. New / Proposed System Announcements e.. New software and/or hardware applications for D-STAR Articles should be approximately 250 words in length. With our publishing deadlines getting close, article submissions are requested as soon as possible. Articles should be submitted in text or Microsoft Word format to mailto:i...@dstarinfo.com. If you have any questions about the newsletter or articles, please contact us at i...@dstarinfo.com. Ed WA4YIH
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: MB6AM: UK's First G2 Connected Simplex D-Star Node
Thanks David, all understood now. G7EBY. - Original Message - From: dlake02 To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: MB6AM: UK's First G2 Connected Simplex D-Star Node Comments in-line 73 G4ULF --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Barry barrym...@... wrote: Darren wrote: To access MB6AM, users should configure their radios in simplex mode on 144.8625 MHz, with no RPT settings required. If RPT settings are used, then the following settings must be programmed: YOUR: CQCQCQ RPT1: MB6AM^^C (^ = space) RPT2: MB6AM^^G Duplex Offset: +/- 0 MHz D-Star users can make use of all the usual dplus and G2 routing commands, so they can link to other nodes or call directly around the D-Star network. Well done to all involved, this will definately help improve coverage to the area, and given time, hopefully many more. Just a couple of questions, if the users do not put in the RPT settings in, does the software automatically just take the stations callsign and route them on whatever MB6AM is connected to? G4ULF It depends. In Simplex mode (i.e. where there is no Dup on the screen) then the radio will always send RPT 1 and RPT 2 as DIRECT no matter what you program. I check the flag and set RPT 1 to the port and RPT 2 to the gateway in both the header and the embedded callsign string. In Duplex mode, flag 1 will be ox4X, so I read the RPT1 and RPT2 streams from the header. They have to match the configuration of the box. /G4ULF And, does the 'DUP' flag need to be put in (with a zero split)? G4ULF No - see above ! /G4ULF As the node can only go elsewhere (not local) I'm guessing its always in RPT2 'G' mode all the time regardless. Would it be possible to just use the 'YOUR' commands alone? G4ULF Not quite sure what you mean here. YOUR is the destination callsign identification. As D-Plus is running on the system, then any linking/unlinking commands that are passed via the YOUR setting make it to the G2 outbound stream, so anything sniffing this could act on it (such as D-Plus, DSM, etc). /G4ULF Regards, Neil. G7EBY.
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
Check the D-Star board hasn't come loose inside or has dirty pins 73 Neil. - Original Message - From: CharlesK To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit John, I appreciate any ideas or thoughts or things to check. I also think it may be a problem/defect with the radio, but wanted to check with others just in case there might be some setting in the radio that I might have accidentally done/set that is not reset to factory defaults with the Reset All function. These radios were purchased by the County over a year ago and I am not sure if they were every operated until now. They are probably out of warantee and would require some expenditure of funds to get fixed. 73, Charles WB5EXI --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, John Hays j...@... wrote: Charles, OK, just wanted to verify. It's hard to diagnose from a distance, but I would suspect a defect in in 91AD B based on the description you have provided. John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
Try swapping them too?? Strange its only on the one band. My trusty old E90 developed a VFO fault after tightening up the SMA socket, the plastic ribbon had come loose. Removing and refitting solved the problem. Neil G7EBY. - Original Message - From: CharlesK To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit Neil, Thank you. I did take the D-Star board out and re-installed it with no affect. But you do give me a idea, which is to take the D-Star board out and see if the Buzz on 2 meter FM is still present. I will try that the next time I have access to the radio. 73, Charles WB5EXI --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Neil barrym...@... wrote: Check the D-Star board hasn't come loose inside or has dirty pins 73 Neil.
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Beeps
The beeps are generated (by the radio) when it 'thinks' the signal being recieved has finished, like a 'clear to send' request. Due to our really patchy coverage here in the UK, I experience many 'beeps' from the repeaters stream, while it drops in and out of range, it has nothing to do with what you are listening to, so same with simplex. Neil. - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com To: Justin G0KSC jus...@g0ksc.co.uk Cc: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Beeps Technically this is also true. The beeps are just an indication that signal has dropped, and a configurable feature on some of the rigs to turn it off or change its volume level from the speaker. The information shown on the SCREEN however, is the actual notification about what the system thinks is going on. On Oct 14, 2009, at 8:00 AM, Justin G0KSC wrote: I think you will find the bleeps are from your radio. The receiver bleeps to notify you a DV signal has dropped, not the repeater. Try a simplex QSO, this will confirm this for you. - Original Message - From: Robbie De Lise To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Beeps As I experience it i think something like this: No beep: The repeater did not confirm your TX, prolly no RX on the repeater side 1st beep: The repeater (CALL A, B or C) confirms your TX 2nd beep: The gateway (CALL G) confirms your TX. Ofcourse, when someone pushes the PTT right after the BEEP or before the BEEP, the repeater does not have the time to send the confirmation out. (The confirmations are send seperately from the DV transmission) so: DV TX stop TX Confirm Repeater TX (BEEP) stop TX Confirm Gateway TX (BEEP) stop TX if someone pushes the mike faster its like: DV TX stop TX Confirm Repeater TX (BEEP) stop TX DV TX stop TX Confirm Repeater TX (BEEP) stop TX Confirm Gateway TX (BEEP) stop TX or even: DV TX stop TX DV TX stop TX Confirm Repeater TX (BEEP) stop TX Confirm Gateway TX (BEEP) stop TX I could also be completely wrong :) Let me know if someone else has the same experience. 73s Robbie On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Fran Miele f...@miele-family.com wrote: Several of the users on our system have been discussing the beeps heard on a repeater and it is clear we really don’t understand them. I’m sure this has been asked many times before but I can’t seem to find a definite answer. Can someone explain the beeps that are heard at the end of a transmission on a repeater? Sometimes there are two, sometimes one and sometimes none. What do they mean, and why the variation? Thanks in advance, Fran, W1FJM Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com facebook.com/denverpilot twitter.com/denverpilot Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:dstar_digital-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:dstar_digital-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dstar_digital-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] dstar_digital, the loss of....
Nothing RX'd from the group since the 23rd here. - Original Message - From: Ken Livingston To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] dstar_digital, the loss of Maybe no one has posted to it since Sept. 23? You could check the website and see if there have been posts which you haven't received. KK4KEN -Original Message- From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kj4g Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 8:26 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] dstar_digital, the loss of Good morning. Could someone check and advise why I haven't gotten any post since Sept 23rd. Thanks, k...@arrl.org Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New poll for dstar_digital
Just read the group messages and put out a few general questions in relation to whatever first, its hard to know what everyone thinks, but you can bet someone will just ask the one question(s) you overlooked! Unless its something like 'What radio do you use', which on D-Star is a limited answer, its not an easy task. 73 Neil. - Original Message - From: john_ke5c To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:17 PM Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New poll for dstar_digital Maybe research the questions and answers more first, I ended up running 3 extra polls for the first one I created on one group. How/where whould you research the questions and answers more FIRST? Your views are one of many in a large world, not everyone see's them the same way. Of course not everyone sees things the same why - that's why we have polls. Duhhh! 73 -- John
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] New poll for dstar_digital
What picture??! I too keep most of the relavent emails of the groups, less advertising passes my screen that way. If you feel the need to change the picture(s) around, carry on, I'm sure it adds a nice touch for some to see a different shot every so often, rather than the same old boring picture, as on some groups.. Maybe research the questions and answers more first, I ended up running 3 extra polls for the first one I created on one group. Your views are one of many in a large world, not everyone see's them the same way. Neil. - Original Message - From: Tony Langdon To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] New poll for dstar_digital At 10:51 AM 9/16/2009, you wrote: Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the dstar_digital group: Would you visit the group archive here on the web as often without the pictures in the group description? The pictures reduce the number of message headers that can be displaye on the first page and almost always require scrolling to follow the first thread. Thank you! o I would visit the archive just as much WITHOUT a picture. o I would visit the group archive less often if the picture were removed from the group heading. Where's the I don't visit the archive option? ;) I rarely read Yahoo groups on the web, and I maintain my own email archives. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ID1 Software Under Linux with Wine
Louis, have you tried turning down the baud rate on both devices? Some variations of the FTDI chipset need to be slowed down in order to work I believe. I moderate a scanner group that uses both Prolific and FTDI serial chipsets under Wine and this was one of the answers. Worth a go anyway. Neil. G7EBY. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Louis Cashmer lcash...@... wrote: All, I am hoping someone else has been down this or a similar road. I have already checked out the Wine forums. I have an ID1 and I am trying to get the ICOM ID1 control software under Linux. The gui looks great but I can not communicate via the Ubuntu 9.04 X64 system. I have determine that the ID1 uses an internal FTDI chip. Any help would be much appreciated. 73 Louis KG4QPQ
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ID1 Software Under Linux with Wine
Copied from another forum I asked on: USB drivers do not work under WINE. This is along standing issue that don't look like it'll be solved any time soon. The note you refer to deals with an actual USB device running under Linux. If it appears as a serial port under Linux you *should* be able to use it under WINE by connecting to the relevant pre-mapped port. The serial speed is often lowered to allow all the software to get their interupts etc in. The ID-1 has been made to work under Linux using CHIRP rather than the supplied Icom software. Thanks to Mark P for this. Hope this helps. Neil. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, john_ke5c k...@... wrote: I am hoping someone else has been down this or a similar road. I have already checked out the Wine forums. I have an ID1 and I am trying to get the ICOM ID1 control software under Linux. The gui looks great but I can not communicate via the Ubuntu 9.04 X64 system. When I briefly tried to get the band module programming software to work under wine, I found that USB support really does not exist in wine. The wine Wiki basically says that - http://wiki.jswindle.com/index.php/Drivers and scroll about half-way down the page. Please let us know if you find a way to get it working. 73 -- John
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD vs 92AD
Lets get this straight, once and for all; A Single band radio operates on one band, E.G. 2M or 70CM's. Dual band means the radio has the capability to RTX on two bands. Single VFO is a basic 'normal' radio, it recieves, it transmits on one channel/frequency at a time. Dual VFO means that the radio can recieve two channels at once and transmit on one at a time. The IC-80 is a Dual band, Single VFO radio, same as the 800/880. The E-91/92 are Dual band, Dual VFO radios, as is the 2820. Simple! Neil. G7EBY. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Matt Roberts blindbi...@... wrote: I don't want the IC-80 because its not dual band. The IC80 is not dual band I have one and I can use it on both 2M and 70CM. YOu cannot monitor both bands at the same time, but you can put frequencies from both in the radio. I really like mine, and with the SLow setting, if i talk and listen a lot, I still get a day and a half to two days out of a battery. -- Matt Roberts Port Orange Florida 407-415-5333 Skype: blindbiker Amateur Radio N9GMR IRLP Node 4515 Echolink 45153 Your life experience is what you create! You can be do or have anything you want! Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions
So, in a nutshell, we are modifying an FM RTX by removing the analogue audio shaping and letting the AMBE chip do all the work each way. To be honest, SZM's boxes sound totally different on analogue FM than the Icom ones. It sounds more like a TRBO carrier than a D-Star one from experiance. I will try and get some waveforms of both for comaparison next time I'm up that way. Thanks for the write up Bob, hopefully that will clear up some of the 'myth's' for some. 73 de Neil. G7EBY. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Bob K0NR (email list) l...@... wrote: Woodrick, Ed wrote: Saying D-STAR IS plain FM is even worse than calling PM, FM. There's a difference, a very big difference. FM=Frequency Modulation. D-STAR Frequency Modulated, no way, no how. Can a FM transmitter send a GMSK signal? Well, a FM transmitter can be modified to do so, but then it really isn't an FM transmitter anymore. Normal FM transmitters often have all sorts of audio shaping to optimize transmission. snip I wrote an article for CQ VHF magazine (Winter 2009 issue) that describes how GMSK works in D-STAR, without going too deep into the details. I put a pdf version of it out on my web site, if anyone is interested in reading it. http://www.k0nr.com/Files/CQ%20VHF%20Article%20on%20D-STAR%20modulation.pdf 73, Bob Bob Witte K0NR b...@...
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions
Have a read of Andy, G4SZM's work here: http://www.gb3we.com/gb3we/pages/ The pictures page shows you the modifications to make an analogue repeater work on D-Star. http://www.gb3we.com/gb3we/pages/ There are a couple over in Ireland using this info to good effect. :) Neil. G7EBY. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, John D. Hays j...@... wrote: Adam, A good question. The reason it will not generally work is that analog voice repeaters have a variety of filters and audio amplifiers that are designed to emphasize the human voice. These same filters and audio amplifiers distort the GMSK signal of D-STAR to an extent that it cannot be decoded on the repeater output. A repeater can be designed to pass the signal through flat, that is no modification of the audio, and it may pass GMSK just fine at that point (it may take a lot of tweaking and/or an inversion in the signal) as well as analog voice. This is usually accomplished by tapping the repeater's receiver discriminator and routing it directly to the repeater's transmitter modulator. And, yes, it would be very irritating to the analog FM users, and if they didn't know what was going on, they may key right over the D-STAR signal, disrupting the DV conversation. Adam Karsin wrote: Ok with all the talk of interfacing DV and FM, here is another question if there is an FM repeater, that has no tone whatsoever, what is it about Dstar that it wont pass through? I know all the obvious like it ticking off all the FM repeater users, and so on... but lets say that I have a 2M FM repeater (I don't but work with me) on 147.000 + CSQ. I know that if I set me radio to that frequency and offset in FM it works. Simple enough, we have used these for years. Now, my buddy and I on our HT's very simply toggle into DV mode, why would this not work the same? I know anyone not using dstar would only hear static, but that for the purpose of this question is not important. (lets call it a private mobile repeater) so there is no one else on. Just a question, don't drag me before the firing squad!! Adam KG4WWH _ -- John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE http://k7ve.org PO Box 1223 Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@... sip:j...@... Email: j...@... mailto:j...@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions
Hi Tony, I spoke to Andy SZM earlier, he was quite pleased that others were interested in modifying PMR gear, and that the fact that an Icom D-Star box is just two FM trancievers in a shiny case, obviously with no analogue whatsoever available on them to the end user is just that. GMSK can be broadcast over whatever mode you want, (look at the AOR equipment,) the fact we are all using simple plain old FM to carry it is the main point he made. I must admit, the audio quality from the FX5000 modded on GMSK seems much more natural and responsive, the FEC seems to pick up quite fast after a drop out, resulting in less R2D2 and more actual voice heard than that on an Icom box in the same circumstances. Its a shame your TX is what it is, maybe a redundant FM TX rig would suffice instead? (And be a quick fix.) 73 de Neil, G7EBY. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Tony Langdon vk3...@... wrote: At 04:04 PM 7/3/2009, you wrote: Have a read of Andy, G4SZM's work here: http://www.gb3we.com/gb3we/pages/ The pictures page shows you the modifications to make an analogue repeater work on D-Star. http://www.gb3we.com/gb3we/pages/ There are a couple over in Ireland using this info to good effect. :) Unfortunately, I have to do some major surgery on my repeater, because the Tx is phase modulated, which won't pass GMSK. :( There are some true FM mods for the transmitter I am using. As I said, some surgery required. :D 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions
Hi Steve, Trust you are well. I think the threads where people were connecting a D-Star radio to an analogue radio or repeater (or visa versa) have been discussed before and been met with quite a wall of opposition when they tried. Its a shame someone wouldn't come up with a 'caller ID' type system for analogue, like DCS signalling, so that the FM radios could indeed TX an ID and maybe a Your:/RPT1/2 etc at the beginning of each TX, then the interoperability would not be a problem. Decoding wouldn't be that much more difficult either at the RTX. As far as I can see or know, Andy's repeater doesn't buffer or 'hold' any data, it is purely passed directly and almost instantaneously into the TX from the RX, after the comparator circuit that helps smooth off the 0's and 1's. Maybe the Satoshi adaptor does something to delay the signal now, I have noticed that ever since it was added, you sometimes get your own message back and 400mS of your own audio repeated back to you, so the system works really fast, zero reports of audio being chopped or lost at any stage, even before the adaptor was added. Again, you have to think FM, do you ever get chopped audio when an analogue repeater fires up? (Not including the CTCSS sense.) I'm guessing that the FEC helps in some respect with D-Star, but then again, there IS a delay between TX and RX, even in simplex QSO's. All interesting stuff, I for one will be trying a mod on some MX290 (later non xtal) radios when I get the chance. 73 De Neil, G7EBY. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Steven Samuel Bosshard (NU5D) bossh...@... wrote: Looks like the thread is migrating from connecting a DSTAR radio to an FM radio or repeater, into building a non-Icom DSTAR repeater. It doesn't take much 'magic' to run dstar through a PMR or LMR here in the Colonies, radio. BUT, You loose the DSTAR ID packets and such generated by the repeater - remember you can key your radio and have the repeater automatically place it's call sign in your radio. You loose some of this function. Also you loose the front end of transmissions because of the time it takes for some PMR radios to start sending, unless you leave the TX turned on or buffer the data. I made a couple of UHF GE Phoenix SX PMR radios work as a repeater. I believe PY2JF used a Spectrum repeater with no mods and was able to pass dstar. Great to see some experimentation taking place. 73, steve nu5d Neil wrote: Hi Tony, I spoke to Andy SZM earlier, he was quite pleased that others were interested in modifying PMR gear,
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions
Hi John, Well, D-Star IS plain FM, you buy an FM transceiver and the add on board just utilises that for the GMSK data, like packet or any other data mode for that matter. Yes, I agree that the bandwidth is full scale all the time, but measure it on a scope and see that the GMSK data is the same from any source from something purchased and 'home brew'. The SN ratio in my operational tests from GB7AD/CD, near to WE are in my opinion much worse than WE in overall tests, where AD/CD are marginal signals, the drop outs are far far more obvious and noticeable, whereas WE/WB seem to work much further into the noise than what the Icom boxes by design actually achieve. In the Bristol area of the UK, we are really lucky to have one mans work, seemingly do more than what Icom have put into place as a simple 'repeater' with connectivity, at the loss of a far better useable option from SZM's hard work, effort and understanding of how and why the signals deteriorate and loose data so frequently. If you could actually try the Icom and 'home brew' repeaters side by side, you would appreciate the difference and see what I feel to be something that would make D-Star (in the UK in most instances) something worth going for and better overall, even though everyone is using an Icom radio into the nodes in every case! I'm not knocking Icoms achievement in any way here, we do have some wonderful and really good 'nodes' over here, but the simple by comparison efforts by Andy, in my opinion, really do knock the spots off what is available to buy and use, 'out of the box'. If more would just 'try', modify some ex-LMR/PMR gear, (better SN, image rejection, etc etc) I dare say a lot more people would see the benefits from doing this, to compliment the already existing superb network we already have. OK, the Satoshi node adaptor did have its problems, SZM made a workaround for this, it is now stable and seems to keep everything 'alive' after the mod. The pictures on the WE site show the mod and hopefully anyone else experiencing hang-ups should follow the diagram for the 'mod' and implement it whenever they can. Keep up the good work everyone and happy experimenting! 73 De Neil, G7EBY. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, john_ke5c k...@... wrote: As far as I can see or know, Andy's repeater doesn't buffer or 'hold' any data, it is purely passed directly and almost instantaneously into the TX from the RX, after the comparator circuit that helps smooth off the 0's and 1's. Andy then is almost certainly transmitting plain FM, not GMSK-FM. This will work RF-wise moderatly well and is what NU5D did before he had an ICOM stack. The bandwidth will be somewhat greater, and the S/N performance worse, but the FEC will overcome some of this. Practically, I think the communciation range is nearly the same and the main difference will be bandwidth. NU5D should have done a side-by-side spectral comparison of his FM DStar repeater and the ICOM stack, but I don't think he ever had both going at the same time since he used the same duplexer and antennas. The ICOM stack may also not have the best designed GMSK modulation possible, so it may not be representative of GMSK performance per se. I think NU5D's main problem was transmitter key-up delay - enough of the sync data had already gone by that the receiving DStar radio had trouble locking up. 73 -- John
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: more DV / FM questions
Strange, we are almost out of 2M allocations here. (FM or DV.) --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Tony Langdon vk3...@... wrote: At 12:58 AM 7/4/2009, you wrote: Its a shame your TX is what it is, maybe a redundant FM TX rig would suffice instead? (And be a quick fix.) True, but the Tx I have is an old repeater workhorse, with a proven track record, and it came at a good price! :) If I put up something on D-STAR, I will probably do it on 2 metres anyway, since D-STAR is the only viable mode to get an allocation on here these days. :) 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Icom IC-80AD
I think its a single VFO version of the 92 Gene. N. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, genedathe geneda...@... wrote: I see Universal Radio has listed the Icom IC-80AD on their site. A quick search didn't yield much positive information. Any one know the difference between the 80 and the 92? Thanks, Gene NAØG
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] People Locator
Hi Adam, No simpler than googling their callsign + last heard. (E.G. 'KG4WWH last heard'.) If they have used D-Star at all on the gateway or reflectors, they will show up where and when. This seems to be the easiest and quickest way. Otherwise, without asking them personally, or a node keeper in their country of origin if they have 'subscribed' to the system, there isn't much else you can do. (Unless someone somewhere has a D-Star callbook type list out there yet.) Neil. G7EBY. - Original Message - From: Adam Karsin To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] People Locator Ok, for lack of a better description.. I was wondering if there is a way to see if a fellow ham is on dstar? For instance we can look up a call sign or name in the QRZ database or do a call sign search in Echolink, is there a was to that with DSTAR? Thanks and 73, Adam KG4WWH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: People Locator
Nate, I agree totally, I opt out of the DGPS because my boss (or anyone) could track me, if they knew how. The same reason could be argued that anyone could find a parked vehicle (for any length of time) with an expensive radio transmitting DGPS/APRS data periodically The home location could easily be found 'after hours'. I think we are all pretty aware of the risks. Thankfully, so far, nobody corrupt seems to have locked on to this yet. Maybe we should have a D-Star only users list, then only users can see other users? That way, only we can see our fellow users. (Logged and therefore traceable.) Neil. (Ex. security consultant for the MOD.) - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: People Locator What does the legality of interception of our signals directly have to do with publishing information about our radio activites on a world-wide accessible website? You need a radio for one, not for the other. It's a big stretch to go from: It's okay to eavesdrop on ham radio transmissions using a receiver. (The intent of the law you're quoting.) To. It's easy for anyone, even without a receiver, to see when that ham isn't home and rip off his house because his fellow hams publish all of his transmissions to the World Wide Web without his consent nor knowledge. Can't you see the latter ending up in some interesting court battle someday? I can. Dstarusers.org COULD have required that people had to be registered users of DSTAR to *see* the data. Not a perfect solution (if the guy ripping off the house is a ham), but better than publication to ANYONE with a web browser. Publishing it to the world - right now it seems cool. Later, once there's lots of systems and it's not a marketing tool for D-STAR as a whole, it'll become a liability. People will want their privacy back. It'll take a while. (Yes, you can take the Gateway out of your routes for a LOCAL conversation, but what if you and I want to talk via callsign or other routing without people in the entire rest of the world knowing we're having that conversation, John? In today's environment, we can't. Again. I don't mind, but I'm trying to offer up examples of the overall problem that will plague the U.S. system because it has these add-ons eventually.) I'm probably just the first one to talk openly about the security/privacy issue, but I'm sure there will be others who are SERIOUS about their requests not to have their data about their transmissions in the U.S. published. They can try today not to be published, if they can reach someone who runs these things - not easy to do in volunteer organizations -- and it'd be interesting to see what the response was. Long-term, it'd be better to put control into the hands of the users. Neat website? Hell yes. Fair to the users of the system? Not really. It should be opt-in, and maybe even not viewable by the general public. But that won't probably happen for a while. It'll come, is all I'm saying. or it won't and it'll be a problem for some users. There's no mass publication of transmissions equivalent - in Trust Servers in other regions - for example, Japan. (That I know of.) Probably on purpose. It's 100% a U.S.-created add-on thing, used to show off the system - but as far as I know there's no local op-out button for anyone or better, opt-in in the process, other than a Gateway admin completely uninstalling the update software, affecting ALL users on their Gateway. I don't know what I would do if asked as our local Gateway admin to NOT publish someone's data. Currently, I don't think there's a solution for that. other than the aforementioned not routing to the Gateway at all, or shutting down the dsm software package. Nate WY0X From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john_ke5c Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:00 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: People Locator --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com , Nate Duehr n...@... wrote: I'm surprised no one's asked DStarUsers.org to take that data down, honestly. Someone who really values their privacy will eventually. 2. People will ask that some web page they have no relationship with stop publishing when they're on the air to anyone who wants to see it. In the USA at least, amateur radio communications are not private: ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS PRIVACY ACT UNITED STATES CODE TITLE 18. CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I--CRIMES CHAPTER 119--WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION AND INTERCEPTION OF ORAL COMMUNICATIONS (g) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter or chapter 121 of this title for any person - (...) (ii) to intercept any radio
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: A Couple of Call Sign Routing Questions
--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr n...@... wrote: On Feb 1, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Neil wrote: Be an interesting experiment, don't know if the linking kicks the reflector off at either end or what. I know GB7AU is always on Ref005A now, it gives out time reports every 15 minutes, not sure if routing is possible or not now. You should not callsign route when a D-Plus link is up. It causes problems. As Iain said, drop whatever's linked, then route to callsign. Disconnect the D-Plus link and callsign route, and then re- establish the link, if the locals want a Reflector up all the time. I always put things back where (I think) they were when I started. Good practice. (GB7AU as I said before shows you every 15 minutes where its connected I believe. Can you confirm Iain?) Other options include locally defining (via local policy) that one band is for D-Plus linking, and the other should be kept open for callsign routing per the normal Icom Gateway behavior, or similar. In some places, admins are not allowing users to command D-Plus links (it's an option in the configuration file). In those areas, you may not be able to send commands to the D-Plus link to the Reflector to knock it down to have a normal callsign-routed call. This is too bad, but it's completely up to the local Gateway admin/organization that runs the repeater system. You'll have to ask your local admin what the local policy is regarding D-Plus link control. Nate WY0X Iain has made it clear we are able to link/route to whatever, as long as its put back to where it was. Thanks Nate. Neil. G7EBY.
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: A Couple of Call Sign Routing Questions
Hi Steve/Jeff This was a question I too wanted to ask, being mobile all the time doesn't leave me much room to 'play' really, having no node local to me at home (that works properly anyway!) to experiment with. I have to wait until my boss sends me in range of somewhere with a node. Maybe I'll try and set up your call in one of my memories Steve, I think I'm in range tomorrow, the boss did tell me where I was going but I can't remember, pretty sure its up near GB7AU way. Be an interesting experiment, don't know if the linking kicks the reflector off at either end or what. I know GB7AU is always on Ref005A now, it gives out time reports every 15 minutes, not sure if routing is possible or not now. Will give it a go tomorrow anyway. Leave your radio on and we'll see what happens, I think you are -5 Hours from us? Regards, Neil. G7EBY. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Steven Samuel Bosshard (NU5D) bossh...@... wrote: I believe, provided you are not using dplus linking, If the far end is busy you will get a RPT * or RPT ? in you display meaning the far end was busy and your call did not go out. If you get YOUR * or UR * then your call reached the far end and went out. I believe it is first come first served. My 2 cents, and I may be wrong. On the receiving end, I have never heard a double - seems like always one winner. Good question and 73, Steve dcooley99 wrote: 1. When attempting a call sign routed call to a station and that repeater/port (the last heard repeater/port of the station called) is currently in use what will happen? -- It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish. Mother Teresa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: A Couple of Call Sign Routing Questions
Thanks Iain, Snowing here at the moment, hope your in better weather than us. Yes, I understand that unlinking first is the customary command of choice, then to link wherever one desires. I think we are all a bit fogged as to where the system connects or leaves us from any point in our commands. If I were to say, link to yourself, from a 'working' GB7MM and AU is already connected to REF005A, what happens exactly?? If 'MM' was connected to 5A also, would it automatically disconnect the reflector upon a certain link command, or carry on 'reflecting' from both nodes IF I didn't disconnect the local one before (as you suggest) first...? I certainly don't want to overload bandwidth issues or otherwise. For example, if Steve (NU5D) is already in a QSO with someone elsewhere, and I send a link command to him, depending on how or where he is connected, does he loose his local 'link' (if he's talking to the other station via another node, rather than the one he's on) or do I get to overide his already established link and then he only gets to talk to me? Not having the local abilty to make and track calls or stations here, I have to ask these questions to understand what will happen when I try these calls I have indeed connected AU up to MM in the past, and 6A without difficulty, just get around the 'problem' we had recently. Again, if the station I request is on a dongle, how does this affect the situation, although if I know the station is already on 5A I will probably just call through and hope for the best anyway. Steve, if your about tomorrow, I will try this call, I think just hit the 'one touch' button and we should be able to make contact. Regards, Neil. G7EBY --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, iain.philipps iain.phili...@... wrote: Neil, Be an interesting experiment, don't know if the linking kicks the reflector off at either end or what. I know GB7AU is always on Ref005A now, it gives out time reports every 15 minutes, not sure if routing is possible or not now. GB7AU isn't always on REF005A any more; it can quite often be found on REF001C or REF013A (the inmates have, by and large, decided to escape from the asylum :-) If your going to do point to point routing using GB7AU as your entry the point, please ensure it's disconnected from whatever reflector first (it isn't an automatic process - nothing to detect/handle that scenario). You're welcome to experiment as required Regards - Iain
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: First IC92 trouble. Failed Speaker fyi
Hi Steve, Only problem we've had with the 92's over here is the 'beeping' from the GPS mic's so far, let us know how you get on. They are a very robust little radio. 73's Neil. G7EBY. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Steve Bosshard bossh...@... wrote: I turned my IC92 on this morning and the speaker sound was very distorted. I tapped lightly on the face of the radio with my index finger and the speaker went quiet. 12 screws and 2 ribbon cables and a couple of solder pads later, the speaker had gone open. The Icom # is 251001420 and their description is PSC-2849PA. I went to the shop and checked through the different pager and business talkie speakers on hand the the speaker for the IC92 is just a little smaller. I am hoping ICOM will send a replacement without having to send the radio in. Much simpler to change out the speaker than to box and ship a radio. 73, Steve NU5D
