RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Gateway registration?
Daniel, Actually make that twice. we recently had a Continental Flight crash on takeoff here in Denver and amazingly the plane ran off the runway and dropped over 40 feet into a ravine and was destroyed but everyone evacuated the aircraft orderly and within about 90 seconds into the cold. the initial first responders who boarded the aircraft within a couple of minutes were surprised to find an empty aircraft as it was engulfed in fire and the cabin full of smoke. Now you know why the flight crews practice practice practice and lead us through the evacuation process before every take off. I think everyone aboard both of these flights are thankful someone listened and followed the instructions given by the crew. They are all alive and well. Kudos for American aviation and yes. even the Rules and Regulations meant to keep us safe. The crash also brought to my attention you should always dress in accordance with the worst weather conditions expected at both departure and arrival airports. You don't know if you will have to disembark an aircraft in sub freezing temperatures even though you were prepared to arrive in sunny Florida dressed in shorts! Barry KA0BBQ From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel G. Thompson Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:55 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Gateway registration? I am very greatful that I live in a country where an Airplane can crash land in a freezing cold river and nobody died... Why, becuase amazingly enough nobody got greedy and put themselves in front of other people, and for once it worked! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Gateway registration?
In my opinion you are way off base. All they are asking is that you help support the club. But, it appears that you too have the typical attitude found among hams that repeaters are free and towers grow everywhere like trees, and they all come complete with feedline and antennas, free electricity and spare parts. Come on people, use a little common sense and put this thread to rest. I we spent more than $10K on a repeater. We allow open access from the repeater RF side to allow hams passing through to use the system. If you would like to use the special features of the system, then unlike clubs of days past, you don't have to support MY group, just one of the groups. Why is it that a ham buys a radio and thinks it automatically gives him the right to use someone elses repeater? Yet that same ham would be appalled if I just walked into his house to use his HF station. Yes, I know that is a little harsh, but pretty much everyone here that owns and supports a repeater has already been thinking it. Please have the class to truly appreciate what you have. Dan Thompson d...@waycom.com N8WKM So is it the norm that your have to have an affiliation before a gateway will register you? It does not seem to feel right to me: Open repeater but not open registration . Am I off base? KI6UIB --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, jack jack.mrfixit...@... wrote:
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Gateway registration?
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 04:52:22AM -, shaneblaser wrote: So is it the norm that your have to have an affiliation before a gateway will register you? It does not seem to feel right to me: Open repeater but not open registration . Am I off base? This is an artifact of the D-Star system archiecture. It's not possible, at least with current equipment, to restrict who uses the machine; it is possible, and in fact the only way to do things, to restrict who uses the gateway. Since D-Star systems are expensive, and their gateways a continuing expense even more than the average repeater (getting broadband Internet out to the tower site is often an interesting problem), that is where sponsoring clubs draw the line. It's pretty much agreed among D-Star system operators that they only register users within their local area in order to avoid undermining those clubs that do depend on membership to pay for things elsewhere. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC at K6ZC port Bhttp://www.conmicro.com http://www.k6zc.org http://www.tronguy.net http://jmaynard.livejournal.com (Yes, that's me!) http://www.hercules-390.org
RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Gateway registration?
I agree with Dan! You are way off base. Repeaters don't come free. They cost money to buy and to maintain. With DSTAR gateways there is the add expense of an internet connection. Fran, W1FJM _ From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel G. Thompson Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:48 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Gateway registration? In my opinion you are way off base. All they are asking is that you help support the club. But, it appears that you too have the typical attitude found among hams that repeaters are free and towers grow everywhere like trees, and they all come complete with feedline and antennas, free electricity and spare parts. Come on people, use a little common sense and put this thread to rest. I we spent more than $10K on a repeater. We allow open access from the repeater RF side to allow hams passing through to use the system. If you would like to use the special features of the system, then unlike clubs of days past, you don't have to support MY group, just one of the groups. Why is it that a ham buys a radio and thinks it automatically gives him the right to use someone elses repeater? Yet that same ham would be appalled if I just walked into his house to use his HF station. Yes, I know that is a little harsh, but pretty much everyone here that owns and supports a repeater has already been thinking it. Please have the class to truly appreciate what you have. Dan Thompson d...@waycom.com mailto:dan%40waycom.com N8WKM So is it the norm that your have to have an affiliation before a gateway will register you? It does not seem to feel right to me: Open repeater but not open registration . Am I off base? KI6UIB --- In dstar_digital@ mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, jack jack.mrfixit...@... wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Gateway registration?
Unfortunately the number one thing I hear over and over again is that DStar is too expensive or, I don't want to spend my money on that. Anyone that has been folowing DStar for more than 90 days has heard it, and those of us that have been around for awhile are pretty much so tired of hearing those excuses that we unfortunately now just let them brush off. Your statement said that somehow volume would make up for those that did not want to pay. Well, call me stupid, but I fail to see the logic in that whatsoever. First of all, if you have the money to buy a radio or a dv-dongle, shouldn't you consider associated expenses? When you bought your radio did you make sure that you had an antenna, or did you just expect someone to supply one for you? When you buy a automobile (at least in the US) do you expect that the gas and upkeep costs should be provided to you? How about the road system, we all pay and continue to pay for that privelege too. What if all of us out there that spent our hard earned money on a nice DStar radio and sat back and waited for someone else to put up a repeater and then did not want to help fund it. Well, heck for all that matters I will buy a TV and tell the Cable TV company that they should supply me with their service for free because I don't think I can sacrafice a few dollars every month to pay them. The bottom line is this, it is an ATTITUDE, it is a state of mind, it is about not being a greedy and/or small person who thinks everyone should give them something. I am very greatful that I live in a country where an Airplane can crash land in a freezing cold river and nobody died... Why, becuase amazingly enough nobody got greedy and put themselves in front of other people, and for once it worked! If you really want to understand this ask a different question and suddenly your old questions will be answered, or at least become totally irrelevant. How about asking yourself what can I do to promote DStar? Once you have mastered that question it might amaze you to find out that you will never need to ask the other questions again, it will suddenly make sense. Walmart and Costco are businesses that are for profit, amateur radio is not a business and not about profit. The business charge money, no matter how little, they charge money, not only for the products but for the MEMBERSHIP in many of the volume purchasing stores. Out of that they take operating expenses, and the rest is profit. We are not asking for profit, just enough to help cover the operating expenses. Dan Thompson d...@waycom.com N8WKM I understand and respect both your points of view. I just prefer an model where everyone can use the systems and those that can pay do so. More people are included this way. Many business succeed with a focus on volume (like Walmart and Costco). I would bet that if registration was centralized and automatic the increased number of dStar users would result in more revenue for the local clubs that have invested in dStar hardware. When I look at the stats it look like peak concurrent usage is 100 or less. I think dStar would benefit from more users and allowing anyone to register would increase subscriptions and usage. Thanks for taking time to respond I appreciate the insight you have given me. KI6UIB
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Gateway registration?
This sounds like a very good approach On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:56 PM, gm0ops gm0...@btinternet.com wrote: We dont ask for any money from folk but on our website we do have a link to a paypal donation page. Since this has started we have had a good response from folk. . -- John - K7VE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
