RE: {Disarmed} [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-STAR to APRS MSG and visa-versa

2009-01-26 Thread Barry A. Wilson
Randall,

 

 D-STAR (Digital Smart Technologies for Amateur Radio) is a digital voice
and data protocol specification developed as the result of research by the
Japan Amateur Radio League to investigate digital technologies for amateur
radio. It connects repeater sites over microwave and internet links to
provide a wide area ham radio network. You don't even need a D-STAR radio to
communicate with D-STAR radios if connected via a gateway.

 

   You can send text messages on D-STAR radios.  Avoiding all the technical
methodology if you connect a computer to a D-STAR radio you can send text
messages, files, pictures etc. with supporting software. All you need is
your D-STAR Radio, a data cable, a computer and a software program readily
available to send messages.  There are size limitations to your file sizes
sent on the DV Mode for efficiency sake.

 

   The radio will beacon short messages which you can either program into
the radio with software or keyboard enter them. Not efficient but works.

 

   If you connect your D-STAR DV capable radio to a computer it will
actually transmit your voice and computer data at the same time on the DV
data stream. So you can talk and send your data at the same time in the DV
mode.  If you have an ID-1 it has both DV and DD modes. in all of the radios
in DV mode your data is sent along with your voice. In the DD mode it is
data only and sent at about ISDN speeds. The DD mode when using a DD
repeater connected to the internet will allow web browsing, e-mail etc. just
like you could do over your home internet connecting except anywhere within
the D-STAR DD Repeater range. I am uncertain how far the range would be
since I don't think we have tested the DD module long distance here. but the
DV range is about 95 miles from the repeater. Oddly enough if you have an
analog signal strength of lets say S3 you may start having difficulty
hearing the transmission. with D-STAR DV Mode it can be heard with a signal
strength of D0. in other words you may not see any signal indication at all
but will have perfect copy. Its pretty much there or goes digital  (R2D2).
With a TNC connected you can communicate directly with other digital modes
when in analog on your D-STAR radio.

 

   The moderator is correct, simply yes. the radio will send data, it will
do everything your analog radio will do plus more. You can send APRS data
through the radio, connect a TNC to your radio, or simple connect a computer
using an RS-232 Data cable and with the ICOM programming software or a
program like D-RATS to send messages.

 

   With D-RATS it will also allow you to connect a GPS to the computer and
via the program you can send position information to other D-RATS users, to
APRS stations etc. You can even send e-mail from your e-mail program through
D-RATS to the internet or any cellular phone with text messaging
connectivity if you know how to do it.  (NEXTEL
xxx...@messaging.nextel.com where xxx is the phone number) .

 

   If you just want to send position information you can connect a GPS using
the data cable directly to a D-STAR radio and send your position every time
you key your radio, or at selected intervals. There is a way to have your
D-STAR position relayed to APRS stations too.  

 

Lucky for you since you live in the Texas booneys.. you can still get on
D-STAR using a D-STAR Dongle from any highspeed internet connection. so you
can talk to any D-STAR repeater with a gateway worldwide. You can  call
individual D-STAR radios, repeaters, or join in on reflectors (D-STAR
roundtables with multiple repeaters linked). 

 

   What D-STAR radio is not is a TNC. But like with any analog radio you can
connect it  to a TNC and you have the same capabilities. But with the added
digital modes you have more state of the art communications, the ability to
use less bandwidth in digital modes, send voice and data simultaneously, and
in many cases better distance than on analog. So with D-STAR you don't need
a TNC to send data. messages. just a cable and a computer with software.

 

Hope that helps a little bit more in understanding D-STAR. Watch some of the
U-TUBE videos too. They will demonstrate a lot of D-STAR capabilities. Below
are some D-STAR links too that are using some of the D-STAR capabilities.

 

.   D-STAR
http://www.dstarinfo.com/Calculator/DSTAR%20Web%20Calculator.aspx
Calculator 

.   D-STAR Users .ORG http://www.d-starusers.org/  

.   D-STAR Link Directory http://www.d-star.cc/  

.   D-STAR http://www.opendstar.org/tools/readme.txt  Reflectors


.   D-RATS Beta http://d-rats.danplanet.com/download/beta/  Downloads


.   D-CHIRP Beta http://chirp.danplanet.com/download/beta/  Downloads 

 

 

73,

 

Barry 

KA0BBQ



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RE: {Disarmed} [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-STAR to APRS MSG and visa-versa

2009-01-26 Thread Nate Duehr
D-STAR (the protocol) defines a continuous voice and data stream during ALL
transmissions for DV mode.  (We'll focus on DV, but DD is high speed
wide-area IP/Internet and works far better than non-native IP protocols for
interfacing with just about *everything* today.)

 

How you decide to USE that data stream is up to you.  Some software exists
to gateway DPRS to APRS position reporting at the Gateway-equipped
repeaters.

 

Text messaging between D-STAR and APRS via Gateways probably never will take
off in popularity with free software like D-RATS taking us straight past
small text messages and all the way to full-blown e-mail protocols, direct
from the D-STAR on-air side of things.

 

Why crawl when you can run, would be the idea there?  

 

But there's nothing stopping you from figuring out how to integrate APRS
messaging back and forth with some kind of mapping and custom PC software to
receive custom-formatted messages on the D-STAR side.  

 

It's just a data modem. you do with it what you want.  Far more useful than
more restrictive hardware/software that forces you to stay on a single
protocol, like APRS.

 

Nate 

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of n0uyx
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:23 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Disarmed} [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-STAR to APRS MSG and visa-versa

 

But that is APRS which has nothing to do with D-Star. Anybody can do 
that without a radio. If you loose the Internet connection what 
happens? You loose the MSG capabilities? Then how are you sending D-
Star MSG? Thru the Terminal program still? If so then great it can be 
done what a freaking long way to get to this answer.

But to answer your questions yes I learned alot from my mistakes. 
Never ever trust a woman! Give them enough rope and they will always 
hang themselves! And a few others too. LOL Mainly that when most 
people open their mouths its nothing but hot air rising.

But with the Terminal program can you send that same MSG not only 
thru the Repeater but over the Internet as well? If so then we can 
send MSG from APRS to D-Star and visa versa it's just a matter of 
creating the software to convert the protocol or format of each and a 
Server to do it. Probably the hardest part is it pulling the MSG out 
of the D-Star string and putting back the response. Probably have to 
have some type of ID to let it know this is a D-Star to APRS MSG 
please send to the Server and visa versa. With the APRS side we will 
need a name for the Server such as D-SMSG or something similar which 
will direct it to the MSG Server for delivery to the D-Star unit. For 
the D-Star user it wont leave much room for text. If it could be 
something like APRS space then the text. Hopefully something short as 
that or shorter so you don't loose to many characters. Maybe even AP 
space and still leave room for 17 characters.

Anyways just food for thought I guess.

But now I have gotten some answers here. 
Thanks 

DE WW5RM
Randall

 



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RE: {Disarmed} [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-STAR to APRS MSG and visa-versa

2009-01-26 Thread Evans Mitchell KD4EFM / AFA4TH FL / WQFK-894
LAY MANS TERM: Can You use D-STAR to send text messages?

YES.



Next question:
HOW? 

This will take a while, but when your ready, I (Evans) would be
willing to set up something somewhere and show you

Are you coming to the Orlando ham fest?

YES? I will be there, I will show you.

NO? no problem, I will look for some one who has a dstar radio
near you and I will be happy to do a live demo.


Fair enough?


 
Evans F. Mitchell
KD4EFM / AFA4TH FL / WQFK-894

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