Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Automatic Operation - Control Point Definition
I think it's pretty clear that the FCC is applying Repeater and Auxillary rules -- John D. Hays Phone: 206-801-0820 801-790-0950 Fax: 866-309-6077 Email: j...@hays.org VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Automatic Operation - Control Point Definition
At 05:56 AM 2/10/2010, Nate Duehr wrote: >I've got the PDF somewhere... on a hard drive... somewhere... >copyrighted by ARRL so I can't post it anywhere anyway... (I >asked.) Other people have it posted on the web, and feel they'll go >ahead and risk infringement of the Copyright. :-) If it was in QST, ARRL members can look for it online. No need to reinvent the wheel here, unless there's some odd quirks in US regs, I don't see why the interpretations for Echolink and IRLP can't be applied to Hotspots. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Automatic Operation - Control Point Definition
That D-STAR repeaters were indeed a repeater. There was a contingent that was trying to portray a D-STAR system as not a repeater. Because the signal is time delayed, it is a lot more like a packet node than a repeater. This would allow for a lot more frequencies to be used in the US. But the FCC ruled that if it receives on one and retransmits on another, even though there was a time delay, then it was a repeater. It might sound obvious, but when you are trying to find 2M frequencies, you'll sometimes try really hard to stretch the rules the way you want them to be. Ed WA4YIH From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:43 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Automatic Operation - Control Point Definition We've already had one ruling by the FCC about D-STAR repeaters and that didn't go the way that many organizations had hoped. Let's not force another ruling. Ed WA4YIH Hi Ed, What was that ruling, for those of us unaware please? 73 vk4tux
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Automatic Operation - Control Point Definition
On 2/9/2010 11:42 AM, Adrian wrote: We've already had one ruling by the FCC about D-STAR repeaters and that didn't go the way that many organizations had hoped. Let's not force another ruling. Ed WA4YIH Hi Ed, What was that ruling, for those of us unaware please? Adrian, He's referring to the FCC's published opinion that D-STAR repeaters are repeaters and must be operated in our repeater sub-band. Folks early on were asserting that since they're digital, they're "data" and could be operated lower than our repeater sub-band in our "data" segment. FCC didn't agree. In general, the problem only came up on immensely overpopulated areas of the country that any sane person would move away from. (GRIN! Poke, poke, Californians... LOL! Just kidding.) In other areas, we managed to find open repeater pairs and wedge D-STAR into the existing band-plans and repeater spectrum. Today, the problem is somewhat alleviating itself in *most* areas because *finally* coordinators have gotten around to clearing paper repeaters and opening up spectrum that wasn't adequately utilized in VHF. In *most* areas UHF was not a problem. 1.2 Ghz, ditto of course... plenty of spectrum there to play in. Nate WY0X
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Automatic Operation - Control Point Definition
On 2/9/2010 11:24 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: With the popularity of hotspots, cross-band repeaters and other devices, I got to thinking about the legal classification of these devices and what it means to their operation. I don't really want to start a 400 message discussion, but to allow each of you to contemplate what you believe to be in accordance to the law where you live. No debate necessary. Easier to base the answer on facts. :-) ARRL's Legal Counsel (Chris Imlay) made it clear that simplex EchoLink and IRLP stations were Auxiliary Stations many years ago after consultation with various FCC folks. FCC never published a written opinion. Logically then, a D-STAR HotSpot is the same, with digital modulation instead of analog. The usual problem that comes up when discussing this is that people don't READ in these mailing lists, and someone assuredly will think you're talking about REPEATERS, miss that you're talking about the HotSpot, and freak out. We'll see if this thread triggers that. ;-) The reason this all came up heavily back then: Auxiliary Stations used to be banned in low VHF spectrum, and only allowable at 222.15 MHz and above. A rules change a number of years ago "fixed" that, probably because by then, there were hundreds and hundreds of illegally operating simplex EchoLink and IRLP nodes at the time. Part 97 has been changed. IRLP and EchoLink went through this "what is it legally" process for the U.S.rules for simplex linked stations, ten years ago... ARRL published the answer far and wide, including in the magazine. I've got the PDF somewhere... on a hard drive... somewhere... copyrighted by ARRL so I can't post it anywhere anyway... (I asked.) Other people have it posted on the web, and feel they'll go ahead and risk infringement of the Copyright. :-) Nate WY0X
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Automatic Operation - Control Point Definition
We've already had one ruling by the FCC about D-STAR repeaters and that didn't go the way that many organizations had hoped. Let's not force another ruling. Ed WA4YIH Hi Ed, What was that ruling, for those of us unaware please? 73 vk4tux
