Re: [dwm] A nice flame about C++
Tako rzecze Anselm R. Garbe (w e-mailu datowanym 2007-09-23, 11:27): http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57643/focus=57918 I must admit the thread makes Linus look (sound?) like a complete moron. Not in the essential part of the argument (which I'm not taking sides in), but in the language he uses and aggravation he shows, escecially compared to the postings of the Dmitri guy. Technically perhaps he's right. Or religious, or both :). [a] -- . Antoni Grzymala - antoni (at) chopin.edu.pl ---. | OpenPGP KeyID EB315583 available now from a keyserver near you | | Fingerprint A819 6D2E D5EB D9E0 D2D9 7AF6 2FAF 4A11 EB31 5583 | `' pgpkMtD74CnED.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dwm] A nice flame about C++
hehe, I like the way he thinks! Quite frankly, even if the choice of C were to do **nothing** but keep the C++ programmers out, that in itself would be a huge reason to use C. -Linus On 9/23/07, Antoni Grzymala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tako rzecze Anselm R. Garbe (w e-mailu datowanym 2007-09-23, 11:27): http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57643/focus=57918 I must admit the thread makes Linus look (sound?) like a complete moron. Not in the essential part of the argument (which I'm not taking sides in), but in the language he uses and aggravation he shows, escecially compared to the postings of the Dmitri guy. Technically perhaps he's right. Or religious, or both :). [a] -- . Antoni Grzymala - antoni (at) chopin.edu.pl ---. | OpenPGP KeyID EB315583 available now from a keyserver near you | | Fingerprint A819 6D2E D5EB D9E0 D2D9 7AF6 2FAF 4A11 EB31 5583 | `'
Re: [dwm] A nice flame about C++
On 9/23/07, Antoni Grzymala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in the essential part of the argument (which I'm not taking sides in), but in the language he uses and aggravation he shows, escecially compared to the postings of the Dmitri guy. Not everyone considers the internet to be a stoicism competition. Some people prefer to use the most direct and attention-grabbing form of communication possible, so it gets read and digested. If everyone who had strong opinions and wasn't afraid to voice them is to be considered a complete moron, we're going to have to tear down some bell curves. -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dwm] A nice flame about C++
On 9/23/07, Antoni Grzymala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This form of communications makes one concentrate on the persons emotions rather than argument's essence, which kind of defeats the purpose. Have you considered maybe his emotions are a part of his argument, and that's why he's conveying them? In addition to telling the guy why C++ is inappropriate for git, it's pretty clear he's tired of people rolling up and expounding on the obvious inherent superiority of $language. Think about it. If he had posted some kind of emotionless drone about string handling in C, nothing would have come of it. Instead, he was emotional, articulate, and honest, and Anselm thought it sufficiently amusing/informative to post it here. I guarantee [dwm] isn't the only mailing list it's being discussed on -- which lets more people know that Linus is sticking with C for git. It also makes it clear that a person would be wasting his time to post well c++ might not be the answer but clearly you should use $yet_another_language! I'm still having a hard time figuring out how getting pissed off makes him a complete moron. Some of the most brilliant people I know get furious over trivial things. Strike that: _most_ of the brilliant people I know get furious over trivial things. What has made you equate anger with idiocy? -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dwm] A nice flame about C++
Tako rzecze Kurt H Maier (w e-mailu datowanym 2007-09-23, 11:03): Have you considered maybe his emotions are a part of his argument, and that's why he's conveying them? In addition to telling the guy why C++ is inappropriate for git, it's pretty clear he's tired of people rolling up and expounding on the obvious inherent superiority of $language. Yes. He's surely tired of that, what I'm saying is that putting too much emotion into an argument actually spoils it in my opinion. Nothing more than a way to start a flamewar. Think about it. If he had posted some kind of emotionless drone about string handling in C, nothing would have come of it. Instead, he was emotional, articulate, and honest, and Anselm thought it sufficiently amusing/informative to post it here. I guarantee [dwm] isn't the only mailing list it's being discussed on -- which lets more people know that Linus is sticking with C for git. It also makes it clear that a person would be wasting his time to post well c++ might not be the answer but clearly you should use $yet_another_language! OK, I'm not proposing and emotionless drone, just thought that abusing the other party up front with a big “*YOU* are full of bullshit” is mostly unnecessary on a technical ML and makes the author look silly to put it mildly. I have nothing against Anselm putting the link on this ML, in fact I too found it a little amusing even if I was amused the other way round. So I just posted my comment on the matter. I'm still having a hard time figuring out how getting pissed off makes him a complete moron. Some of the most brilliant people I know get furious over trivial things. Strike that: _most_ of the brilliant people I know get furious over trivial things. What has made you equate anger with idiocy? Hey, I see your point. It's mostly about the wording: in my post I said that what Linus wrote makes him look like a complete moron. So I'm not equating anger with idiocy, just judging the outcome of his anger as looking [completely] moronic and unnecessary. Perhaps “a complete moron”, if taken literally sounds too strong, but then, why shouldn't you take my opinion literally if we're discussing Linus' opinion. No, I'm not proposing that Linus *is* a moron (for obviously he is not), just commented that he made himself look like one. Really, I can agree with most you're saying, just seeing the other side, too. Best, [a] -- . Antoni Grzymala - antoni (at) chopin.edu.pl ---. | OpenPGP KeyID EB315583 available now from a keyserver near you | | Fingerprint A819 6D2E D5EB D9E0 D2D9 7AF6 2FAF 4A11 EB31 5583 | `' pgpwLQuFiJfaK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dwm] A nice flame about C++
What's bad about flamewars? I mean, if someone has to tell his opinion, why not. It's nothing bad about little brawl from time to time. 2007/9/23, James Hoving [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The only way I have ever seen someone end a flamewar is by dropping the subject. Once the game is on the fights always goes on until someone get tired or bored and just gives up. The old saying of taking a stick to a dead horse comes to mind. :-) On 9/23/07, Ricardo Lanziano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Antoni Grzymala [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-23 18:27:26 +0200]: Yes. He's surely tired of that, what I'm saying is that putting too much emotion into an argument actually spoils it in my opinion. Nothing more than a way to start a flamewar. Actually, it could be a way to stop a flamewar by making you post very good arguments of your proporsal instead of just making assumptions. -- Ricardo Lanziano 1DB1 3F01 E0E5 CB77 A4AC 46C2 9C9A 789B 1431 E275 UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are. -- http://www.gnuffy.org - Real Community Distro http://www.gnuffy.org/index.php/GnuEm - Gnuffy on Ipaq (Codename Peggy)
Re: [dwm] A nice flame about C++
I'm not saying its all bad, I'm just saying it impossible to win it by other means then attrition since its (almost always) a fight about beliefs. On 9/23/07, Enno Gottox Boland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's bad about flamewars? I mean, if someone has to tell his opinion, why not. It's nothing bad about little brawl from time to time. 2007/9/23, James Hoving [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The only way I have ever seen someone end a flamewar is by dropping the subject. Once the game is on the fights always goes on until someone get tired or bored and just gives up. The old saying of taking a stick to a dead horse comes to mind. :-) On 9/23/07, Ricardo Lanziano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Antoni Grzymala [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-23 18:27:26 +0200]: Yes. He's surely tired of that, what I'm saying is that putting too much emotion into an argument actually spoils it in my opinion. Nothing more than a way to start a flamewar. Actually, it could be a way to stop a flamewar by making you post very good arguments of your proporsal instead of just making assumptions. -- Ricardo Lanziano 1DB1 3F01 E0E5 CB77 A4AC 46C2 9C9A 789B 1431 E275 UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are. -- http://www.gnuffy.org - Real Community Distro http://www.gnuffy.org/index.php/GnuEm - Gnuffy on Ipaq (Codename Peggy)
