Re: [DX] Auringon aktiivisuudesta...

2013-01-24 Thread Ilkka Martikainen 
Tässä toinen … erittäin mielenkiintoinen asiantuntijoiden keskustelupalsta:

WUWT (Watts Up With That), http://wattsupwiththat.com/tag/solar-cycle-24/

Pilkkumaksi menee, tulee, menee, tulee … mutta milloin? Arvotaan ensimmäinen 
numero …

73 de SDXL1398/OH5MD, Ilkka M.

 

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Aihe: [DX] Auringon aktiivisuudesta...

 

...mielenkiintoinen linkki tännekin jakoon.

 

73 de JTK

 

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Subject: Re: [SkywavesDX] Solar Eruptions

 

 
Three years ago I spent about four months with a spreadsheet, using a formula 
devised by a NASA contractor that showed how the magnetic fields of the planets 
affect the solar flux and sunspot cycles. I elaborated on what he had published 
and came up with a chart that reasonably reconstructed the measured sunspot 
activity back to the 17th century, and which showed that this cycle and the 
next three are going to be very low:

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Solar%20Activity%201600-2100.pdf

Unlike other predictions from NASA, ARRL, and others, I have not modified this 
prediction since I completed the spreadsheet some three years ago. I do update 
the chart by adding measured monthly average sun spots counts as they become 
available at the beginning of each month from the Royal Observatory of Belgium 
(http://sidc.oma.be/)

Chris Trask
N7ZWY / WDX3HLB
Senior Member IEEE
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/

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Re: [DX] Auringon aktiivisuudesta...

2013-01-24 Thread Jim Solatie 
Pitänee siis panostaa kuunteluun ja raportointiin vuosina 2025-2050.

Sitä ennen verrytellään ja treenataan, jotta ollaan aikanaan kovassa 
kisakunnossa.

73
Jim


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...mielenkiintoinen linkki tännekin jakoon.

 

73 de JTK

 

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Three years ago I spent about four months with a spreadsheet, using a formula 
devised by a NASA contractor that showed how the magnetic fields of the planets 
affect the solar flux and sunspot cycles. I elaborated on what he had published 
and came up with a chart that reasonably reconstructed the measured sunspot 
activity back to the 17th century, and which showed that this cycle and the 
next three are going to be very low:

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Solar%20Activity%201600-2100.pdf

Unlike other predictions from NASA, ARRL, and others, I have not modified this 
prediction since I completed the spreadsheet some three years ago. I do update 
the chart by adding measured monthly average sun spots counts as they become 
available at the beginning of each month from the Royal Observatory of Belgium 
(http://sidc.oma.be/)

Chris Trask
N7ZWY / WDX3HLB
Senior Member IEEE
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/

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Re: [DX] Auringon aktiivisuudesta...

2013-01-24 Thread Jussi Suokas 

Ja sinne. Kun sanon susijengi, te ulvotte auuu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtC2ep-d9sc

Mielenkiintoinen kaavio.

JUS


24.1.2013 15:57, Jukka Kotovirta kirjoitti:


...mielenkiintoinen linkki tännekin jakoon.

73 de JTK

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*Subject:* Re: [SkywavesDX] Solar Eruptions


Three years ago I spent about four months with a spreadsheet, using a 
formula devised by a NASA contractor that showed how the magnetic 
fields of the planets affect the solar flux and sunspot cycles. I 
elaborated on what he had published and came up with a chart that 
reasonably reconstructed the measured sunspot activity back to the 
17th century, and which showed that this cycle and the next three are 
going to be very low:


http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Solar%20Activity%201600-2100.pdf 



Unlike other predictions from NASA, ARRL, and others, I have not 
modified this prediction since I completed the spreadsheet some three 
years ago. I do update the chart by adding measured monthly average 
sun spots counts as they become available at the beginning of each 
month from the Royal Observatory of Belgium (http://sidc.oma.be/)


Chris Trask
N7ZWY / WDX3HLB
Senior Member IEEE
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ 



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Re: [DX] Auringon aktiivisuudesta...

2013-01-24 Thread Juha Solasaari 
Tuleekohan tästäkin maksimista kaksihuippuinen kuten edellisestä? Taso 
jää kaikkiaan kovin vaatimattomaksi.


73 de JTS

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On 24.1.2013 18:00, Ilkka Martikainen wrote:

Tässä toinen … erittäin mielenkiintoinen asiantuntijoiden keskustelupalsta:

WUWT (Watts Up With That), http://wattsupwiththat.com/tag/solar-cycle-24/

Pilkkumaksi menee, tulee, menee, tulee … mutta milloin? Arvotaan
ensimmäinen numero …

73 de SDXL1398/OH5MD, Ilkka M.

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*Aihe:* [DX] Auringon aktiivisuudesta...

...mielenkiintoinen linkki tännekin jakoon.

73 de JTK

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*Subject:* Re: [SkywavesDX] Solar Eruptions


Three years ago I spent about four months with a spreadsheet, using a
formula devised by a NASA contractor that showed how the magnetic fields
of the planets affect the solar flux and sunspot cycles. I elaborated on
what he had published and came up with a chart that reasonably
reconstructed the measured sunspot activity back to the 17th century,
and which showed that this cycle and the next three are going to be very
low:

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Solar%20Activity%201600-2100.pdf

Unlike other predictions from NASA, ARRL, and others, I have not
modified this prediction since I completed the spreadsheet some three
years ago. I do update the chart by adding measured monthly average sun
spots counts as they become available at the beginning of each month
from the Royal Observatory of Belgium (http://sidc.oma.be/)

Chris Trask
N7ZWY / WDX3HLB
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Re: [DX] Auringon aktiivisuudesta...

2013-01-24 Thread Jussi Suokas 
Anteeksi listalaiset. Kävi vanhanaikaisesti. Oli tarkoitettu Pikku-hukka 
Kotovirralle...

73
JUS

24.1.2013 18:42, Jussi Suokas kirjoitti:

Ja sinne. Kun sanon susijengi, te ulvotte auuu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtC2ep-d9sc

Mielenkiintoinen kaavio.

JUS


24.1.2013 15:57, Jukka Kotovirta kirjoitti:


...mielenkiintoinen linkki tännekin jakoon.

73 de JTK

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*Subject:* Re: [SkywavesDX] Solar Eruptions


Three years ago I spent about four months with a spreadsheet, using a 
formula devised by a NASA contractor that showed how the magnetic 
fields of the planets affect the solar flux and sunspot cycles. I 
elaborated on what he had published and came up with a chart that 
reasonably reconstructed the measured sunspot activity back to the 
17th century, and which showed that this cycle and the next three are 
going to be very low:


http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Solar%20Activity%201600-2100.pdf 



Unlike other predictions from NASA, ARRL, and others, I have not 
modified this prediction since I completed the spreadsheet some three 
years ago. I do update the chart by adding measured monthly average 
sun spots counts as they become available at the beginning of each 
month from the Royal Observatory of Belgium (http://sidc.oma.be/)


Chris Trask
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Re: [DX] Auringon aktiivisuudesta...

2013-01-24 Thread Ilkka Martikainen 
Tässä lisää luettavaa:

http://www.leif.org/research/Another-Maunder-Minimum.pdf 

 

JTK:n lähettämässä kuvassa yritetään kaiketi kertoa tutkimuksista, joiden 
mukaan muut planeetat voivat vaikuttaa auringon aktiivisuuteen. Tässä eräs 
viite siihen aihepiiriin:

http://www.leif.org/EOS/jagerversteegh-20063.pdf

 

Tuota en oikein usko – en ainakaan kovin suurelta osin. Aurinko on sellainen 
”mylly”, että siinä on aktiivisuutta itsessäänkin tarpeeksi. Ehkä nyt jokin 
pitkäaikaisempi periodi – näitähän on havaittu useita – vaikuttaa siihen, että 
aktiivisuutta on tavanomaista vähemmän. Asiantuntijoiden kanta on, että 
pidempiaikaisempi ja pilkuttomampi periodi on kuitenkin vahvasti tuloillaan.

 

Ongelmana voi tulevaisuudessa olla keskiaalloillakin se, että aktiivisuuden 
todella raju väheneminen alkaa vaikuttaa myös näiden matalampien taajuuksien 
etenemiseen – negatiivisesti. Ionosfäärin kerroksista ne keskiaallotkin 
heijastuvat. E-/F-kerroksien välinen kanavoituminen (ducting) joka tapauksessa 
loppuu silloin kokonaan … SFI ei riitä tähän.

 

73 de SDXL1398/OH5MD, Ilkka M.

 

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Lähetetty: 24. tammikuuta 2013 18:20
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Aihe: Re: [DX] Auringon aktiivisuudesta...

 

Pitänee siis panostaa kuunteluun ja raportointiin vuosina 2025-2050.

 

Sitä ennen verrytellään ja treenataan, jotta ollaan aikanaan kovassa 
kisakunnossa.

 

73

Jim

 

 

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73 de JTK

 

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Subject: Re: [SkywavesDX] Solar Eruptions

 


Three years ago I spent about four months with a spreadsheet, using a formula 
devised by a NASA contractor that showed how the magnetic fields of the planets 
affect the solar flux and sunspot cycles. I elaborated on what he had published 
and came up with a chart that reasonably reconstructed the measured sunspot 
activity back to the 17th century, and which showed that this cycle and the 
next three are going to be very low:

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Solar%20Activity%201600-2100.pdf

Unlike other predictions from NASA, ARRL, and others, I have not modified this 
prediction since I completed the spreadsheet some three years ago. I do update 
the chart by adding measured monthly average sun spots counts as they become 
available at the beginning of each month from the Royal Observatory of Belgium 
(http://sidc.oma.be/)

Chris Trask
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