Re: [DX-CHAT] logs on laptops
What a sad but good advise for today's age. Lou KE1F Charles Harpole wrote: Now that it is common knowledge that US Customs Agents (and maybe other countries' agents) can and will search and even seize travelers' laptop computers at border crossings, it is even more important for DXpeditions, and others, to store their computer logs in several places and several media to avoid loss or delayed access. When entering the US, let the white guy carry the computer. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] N4OT
Anyone on the list know Andrew N4OT, or better yet, have an email address for him? 73, ron w3wn Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] call out of turn
When someone calls me several times out of turn when I am calling clearly some other call sign I usually then call the offending station and ask Is it possible that you heard ABC (your call sign) when I was calling XYZ? If that is true, please tell me so that I can speak more clearly. Maybe I shouldn't do that, but I have done it. 73, HS0ZCW From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition ExpectationsDate: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:45:23 + Superbly stated! John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: rfman45 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many of the problems already cited in these current threads are certainly contributing factors in today's chaotic world of pileups. Civility in general in society is woefully missing and its absence is also felt on the bands. Another contributing factor, I believe, is the very high set of expectations that DXpeditions set for themselves through advance publicity announcements. The high hopes of planners is evident in the press releases, requests for information on needed band/modes, planning for favorable propagation and times to various areas of the world, real-time online logs, etc. They, and we, want the very best possible results. While I and all DXers wish all DXpeditioners the very best success, planners may well be painting themselves into a corner in an effort to put their efforts in the best favorable light. DXpeditions to difficult-to-reach spots and/or places with problematic governments are, by definition, outs ide of the normal course of things and many unexpected events can therefore more easily present themselves, derailing even the best laid plans. It's not difficult to activate Spain; Heard Island is another matter. I am as enthusiastic as any when an expedition is announced; I have nothing but respect for our fellow hams who devote themselves to my favorite aspect of operating. However, the combination of the anticipation of a rare place being QRV, the talk of needing this or that band and the final event of the station coming on the air makes for an explosive mix that finally ignites in the inevitable fracas of the resulting pileup. I'm definitely in favor of advance publicity and any necessary fundraising, assistance, etc. but planners must be careful not to raise expectations too high and we, in the pileups, have to act more reasonably in our conduct and in what we expect. n bsp; Best DX es 73, Mike W2LOSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: Ungrateful
Well said Tom. Gerry VE6LB/VA6XDX ARRL DXCC Card Checker VE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team (403) 251-6520 ve6lb (at) telus (dot) net www.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Tom Wylie To: DX-CHAT Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:47 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Re: Ungrateful Gentelmen This is one of my pet subjects. How I hate it when all you ARMCHAIR DXERS criticise others who are out there busting a gut so that YOU can tick a box on 80m or RTTY or whatever. Why don't you put you're destructive thoughts to better use. The next time they are looking for volunteers for an expedition to a remote, stinking, hot-as-hell, flea ridden, un-populated with no drinking water - Island, WHY DON'T YOU VOLUNTEER TO GO and demonstrate to us that you are such an expert in all things pertaining to an expedition. Its not uncommon in the first two or three days of an expedition for everybody to be exhausted by the heat, antenna erection, lack of proper food and water (due to the effort and time required to construct antennas), yet, there are people who love radio and expeditioning so much that even at the end of the working day, will spend a couple of hours on the radio just to give the deserving (AND THAT'S YOU BY THE WAY) the opportunity to have a QSO, even though they should actually be in bed, preparing the the next day's work. They may not be at their best as they become acclimatised to the heat and humidity, unlike YOU who sits in their air conditioned shack, sipping an ice cold beer and grumbling, about the state of the dollar, your sore back, the fact that you have to get up at 4am to make a contact on 160m, the fact that the operator at the other end is a little unskilled etc etc. How easy it is for you to sit anonymously behind a keyboard and spill your stupid thoughts to anybody who will listen. Everybody has to go on an expedition at some point FOR THE FIRST TIME.Being at the DX end it a totally different experience from sittin at home. I know lots of good CW operators, who will never run a pileup nor be a good contest operator but can sit and rag chew at 35wpm, read the newspaper, talk to their wife and watch TV at the same time. Its a different skillset and one that can only be learned by doing and listening to the other operators in the expedition. There may too, be a language difficulty. Many people who go on expeditions, may not have English as their first language. It seems to me that sometimes even Americans don't have English as their first language. Yes there are a lot of problems planning, organizing and carrying out an expedition. We don't get it right first time, all of the time. Sometimes it takes just a small thing to go wrong for the wheel to come off the cart. I remember as a school kid being told a Moral of the battle that was lost because a horse lost a nail out of its shoe. Some operators will always be more skilled than others, as are football and baseball stars, but according to MY ham radio licence, I am taking part in a learning process where I am self taught. Someone in an earlier message suggested that you should have a banned list. I can tell you now, that there are several callsigns IN MY HEAD which I will never work when taking part in an expedition. They can call me till they are blue in the face but will never get a QSO from me. I suspect that many of the contributers to this list are also the policemen of the bands, the guys who sit and shout, UP UP UP, split, split, split, and other equally un-required and unhelpful remarks, and who cause more QRM than the guy who has simply pressed the wrong button or forgotten to press the right button, but will eventually fix his problem. So gentlemen if you have nothing sensible to say then better you say nothing. Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm it. Just a final comment. When I was on T33C, we had TWO operators who were 70 years of age. One has since been to BS7H and he is currently on Cocos. 73 de Tom GM4FDM (T33C, VP8SDX, OY7TW, TY4TW, V8FDM, GJ4FDM) to name but a few. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition Expectations
Mike and all...human nature will prevail in amateur radio as it does in the population as a whole. The bad actors on the air are the same guys that were the schoolyard bullies' those who sneak into lines ahead of you and those who cut you off in traffic. Their behaviour rarely changes throughout life The best we can do is to ignore them; they are after all looking for attention. 73NormK1AA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: DX Chat Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition Expectations Superbly stated! John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: rfman45 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many of the problems already cited in these current threads are certainly contributing factors in today's chaotic world of pileups. Civility in general in society is woefully missing and its absence is also felt on the bands. Another contributing factor, I believe, is the very high set of expectations that DXpeditions set for themselves through advance publicity announcements. The high hopes of planners is evident in the press releases, requests for information on needed band/modes, planning for favorable propagation and times to various areas of the world, real-time online logs, etc. They, and we, want the very best possible results. While I and all DXers wish all DXpeditioners the very best success, planners may well be painting themselves into a corner in an effort to put their efforts in the best favorable light. DXpeditions to difficult-to-reach spots and/or places with problematic governments are, by definition, outs ide of the normal course of things and many unexpected events can therefore more easily present themselves, derailing even the best laid plans. It's not difficult to activate Spain; Heard Island is another matter. I am as enthusiastic as any when an expedition is announced; I have nothing but respect for our fellow hams who devote themselves to my favorite aspect of operating. However, the combination of the anticipation of a rare place being QRV, the talk of needing this or that band and the final event of the station coming on the air makes for an explosive mix that finally ignites in the inevitable fracas of the resulting pileup. I'm definitely in favor of advance publicity and any necessary fundraising, assistance, etc. but planners must be careful not to raise expectations too high and we, in the pileups, have to act more reasonably in our conduct and in what we expect. n bsp; Best DX es 73, Mike W2LO Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] TI9KK CW
Gotta give them praise for low band CW operations! They're really holding it down on 80/160 tonight. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Re: Ungrateful
Gentelmen This is one of my pet subjects. How I hate it when all you ARMCHAIR DXERS criticise others who are out there busting a gut so that YOU can tick a box on 80m or RTTY or whatever. Why don't you put you're destructive thoughts to better use. The next time they are looking for volunteers for an expedition to a remote, stinking, hot-as-hell, flea ridden, un-populated with no drinking water - Island, WHY DON'T YOU VOLUNTEER TO GO and demonstrate to us that you are such an expert in all things pertaining to an expedition. Its not uncommon in the first two or three days of an expedition for everybody to be exhausted by the heat, antenna erection, lack of proper food and water (due to the effort and time required to construct antennas), yet, there are people who love radio and expeditioning so much that even at the end of the working day, will spend a couple of hours on the radio just to give the deserving (AND THAT'S YOU BY THE WAY) the opportunity to have a QSO, even though they should actually be in bed, preparing the the next day's work. They may not be at their best as they become acclimatised to the heat and humidity, unlike YOU who sits in their air conditioned shack, sipping an ice cold beer and grumbling, about the state of the dollar, your sore back, the fact that you have to get up at 4am to make a contact on 160m, the fact that the operator at the other end is a little unskilled etc etc. How easy it is for you to sit anonymously behind a keyboard and spill your stupid thoughts to anybody who will listen. Everybody has to go on an expedition at some point FOR THE FIRST TIME.Being at the DX end it a totally different experience from sittin at home. I know lots of good CW operators, who will never run a pileup nor be a good contest operator but can sit and rag chew at 35wpm, read the newspaper, talk to their wife and watch TV at the same time. Its a different skillset and one that can only be learned by doing and listening to the other operators in the expedition. There may too, be a language difficulty. Many people who go on expeditions, may not have English as their first language. It seems to me that sometimes even Americans don't have English as their first language. Yes there are a lot of problems planning, organizing and carrying out an expedition. We don't get it right first time, all of the time. Sometimes it takes just a small thing to go wrong for the wheel to come off the cart. I remember as a school kid being told a Moral of the battle that was lost because a horse lost a nail out of its shoe. Some operators will always be more skilled than others, as are football and baseball stars, but according to MY ham radio licence, I am taking part in a learning process where I am self taught. Someone in an earlier message suggested that you should have a banned list. I can tell you now, that there are several callsigns IN MY HEAD which I will never work when taking part in an expedition. They can call me till they are blue in the face but will never get a QSO from me. I suspect that many of the contributers to this list are also the policemen of the bands, the guys who sit and shout, UP UP UP, split, split, split, and other equally un-required and unhelpful remarks, and who cause more QRM than the guy who has simply pressed the wrong button or forgotten to press the right button, but will eventually fix his problem. So gentlemen if you have nothing sensible to say then better you say nothing. Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm it. Just a final comment. When I was on T33C, we had TWO operators who were 70 years of age. One has since been to BS7H and he is currently on Cocos. 73 de Tom GM4FDM (T33C, VP8SDX, OY7TW, TY4TW, V8FDM, GJ4FDM) to name but a few. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] logs on laptops
Now that it is common knowledge that US Customs Agents (and maybe other countries' agents) can and will search and even seize travelers' laptop computers at border crossings, it is even more important for DXpeditions, and others, to store their computer logs in several places and several media to avoid loss or delayed access. When entering the US, let the white guy carry the computer. 73 Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] logs on laptops
Actually, no it's not nonsense, John. I've heard some stories about some of the actions that US Customs Border Patrol have taken with certain individuals entering the country. And there was a story about this on Ed Foster's GripeLine Blog over on Infoworld's site (see http://weblog.infoworld.com/gripeline/archives/2008/02/laptop_searches.html ). You may not know Ed Foster, but trust me, he wouldn't talk about this without solid background information. So there is some validity with the general suggestion to be cautious when entering the US with a laptop. The slightly racist wisecrack, however, should be ignored. 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of john Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] logs on laptops It's also nonsense, from a habitual US basher and list troll. John K5MO lmecseri -KE1F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a sad but good advise for today's age. Lou KE1F Charles Harpole wrote: Now that it is common knowledge that US Customs Agents (and maybe other countries' agents) can and will search and even seize travelers' laptop computers at border crossings, it is even more important for DXpeditions, and others, to store their computer logs in several places and several media to avoid loss or delayed access. When entering the US, let the white guy carry the computer. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] TI9KK
You can find a picture of the operators including the YL who has been on 20mssb at: http://www.ti9.eu.com 73 de Tom GM4FDM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
